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On 11/17/2004 8:41:03 PM paulparrot wrote: You just need to add an end quote mark before the final bracket. And then, like magic: That's my fault too. Sorry about that. Cut and paste error...

I'm absolutely interested, if shipping to either Quebec City (G1W 1H1) or Rimouski (G5L 8Y6) isn't too outrageous from Northern CA. Shipping one is half the cost of shipping two anyway... I need one black Heresy to match my La Scala, and that is one black Heresy! What's the finish on it? I was interested in trying a pair of Heresy's as the center, but using a single unit would work too and I wouldn't end up storing one if it turned out one is better anyway. You can email me at psg@debian.org

Buy more of them!

On 11/17/2004 2:46:45 PM edwardre wrote: I have a single Heresy II just laying around now...... How much are you asking for it? What year and colour is it? I should have bid on the Academy and am now shopping for a Heresy (or a pair) to act as center for La Scala's...

My usual ebay search for Klipsch found a listing which claims to be like the RF-7. Well, they look similar, but have a sensitivity of 89 dB and a max SPL of 100 dB! So much for that! Yt another cheap imitation...

Ok, please explain how I upload the picture to the server. Upload using the "Attach File" buttom, and then insert it in your post by typing: {img src="http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/files/woweezowee.JPG} but use angled brackets (less-than, greater-than) instead of the curly brackets I used above.

Personally, I think "Elite" gives it a Pioneer bias (at least in customer's minds)

On 11/16/2004 8:37:44 AM marksdad wrote: preference order??? rc 7 in lascalla ht??? nowhere, the 7 does not go with a lascalla at all different voice totally, the 7 would kill the overall effect How about the Quartet? Better than the Heresy as a center for La Scala's? It's also a 3-way and goes lower than the Heresy. There's a semi-local pair of 1992's Quartets going for C$800. Is the premium price over the Heresy worth it? As far as packaging, I'd prefer the Heresy because it's too as tall and would look better over my TV, and without risers it would look pretty much the same placed upside-down to put the tweeters closer to ear level. Can't put the Quartet upside-down and the tweeters would end up close to the ceiling.

You are using 2 RC-35 centers with La Scala mains? Please visit my thread entitled "Using a pair of speakers as center (instead of only one)" and give me your impressions on that. How is the Heritage vs Reference mix working for you? I have been advised by many to avoid doing that... Any problems running two speakers as center as opposed to only one? (interference muddying the sound?) Thanks

I wrote: Surprisingly, this RC-7 didn't sell for even $100! I should have noticed it at the end and snapped it up. At that price, even scrathed, it's a good deal! Ah! "The seller ended this listing early because of an error in the listing." You mean it's not a sub after all?

Surprisingly, this RC-7 didn't sell for even $100! I should have noticed it at the end and snapped it up. At that price, even scrathed, it's a good deal! I "asked the seller a question" (with days to go on the auction) asking if there were any scratches and he never replied. Not a good sign! LOL!

On 11/14/2004 3:36:37 PM Black7 wrote: You'll pay GST plus brokerage fee's - UPS is the one carrier all Canadian's want to avoid if possible - they use there own brokerage house and it's a money maker for them. Because they are made in the US, you should avoid duty (and you pay duty regardless of new or used on product - depending of country of origin) - you might try to talk the seller into marking the customs paper work as "Gift" - you will then avoid all taxes. Hope that helps As well as provincial sales tax (at least in Quebec), or so I'm told, and so it happened when a new receiver arrived from the US last week. How is FedEx for brokerage fees? Surprisingly, shipping 2 40 lbs Heresy's from NYC to Quebec City with them costs US$66, which isn't too bad if there are no extra fees.

Same question being asked at http://forum.ecoustics.com/cgi-bin/bbs/show.pl?1/108707 but with low cost answers (about speaker cables; not gasoline).

On 11/14/2004 7:40:20 AM Frzninvt wrote: Two centers will work well together! I have decisive proof! The Academy is on top of the TV and the La Scala is on its side below. These speakers operate as one and you cannot distinguish one from the other whether you are watching TV or listening to music. Good to know! Thanks! As to the La Scala only sounding OK on its side I say BULLSH*T, mine is on its side and while the dispersion is not huge it still sounds better than just GOOD! I can still hear it well even though I sit off axis from it, but that is why I have the Academy since I realize having it on its side is somewhat of a compromise. I have DeanG's Jensen PIO AA in it so the level of detail in the center is more than a standard La Scala will reproduce. No disrespect intended! Mine sounded great when on-axis, but sounded wrong seated on the corner of my couch. If you've seen the picture of my setup, you'll see it's a small place and my angle is likely greater than yours. My centers receive 4X the power that the mains and rears do, this adds to an increase in presence, detail and dynamics. Both are powered by separate amplifiers as well. I realize that this may not work for everyone but it works for me! A split La Scala may work better for you PSG, I have never tried one of my verticals for center since they serve as my rear effects speakers. I cannot imagine it being better than a La Scala since the front stage is all horn loaded drivers. If it's easy, you could try it and report back! The Heresy/Heresy's should work fine, try a single and see how well it works for you. Add the other one if you feel that the single is not fitting the bill. Someday when I get a different TV I may be able to place my La Scala upright, it will stay on its side for now though. Thanks for the good advice!

On 11/13/2004 1:54:25 PM Griffinator wrote: A single would work just fine. So you think one is enough? Or that two leads to trouble? There's a 7 dB difference... It's manageable, but it's on the edge. Despite the fact that most amps are perfectly stable at 4 Ohms, the characteristic of the sound output changes dramatically when they run that low. Speakers that were once well-balanced become bass-heavy and rather throaty-sounding when run in parallel. Thanks for your input. I t really sounds like a single reconstructed La Scala would be ideal, followed by a vertical Cornwall. The problem is finding these speakers anywhere near locally to avoid shipping them. There also that RC-7 on ebay (with the likely scratched side!), but that would be a huge mismatch; I think a single Heresy is better (except for the lower WAF). I've been in contact with the seller of a black pair of Heresy's in the Eastern US, but even that involves considerable overhead of shipping into Canada, 15% in taxes and possibly huge brokerage fees. So that is limiting my enthousiasm. Anyone want to split a pair of black Heresy's? I'm sure the seller wouldn't mind shipping the two boxes at separate places...

I would advise using an additional LaScala for the center channel. The overall heigth would require removing and modding the top section for placement above the screen but you would still benefit a greater return. It is generally agreed that use of the same speakers for all the front channels is your best bet. There are tonal changes between other the other models that would worry me more than just the reduced spl levels. The addition of a sub would be helpful as well. Sounds like I need a vertical Cornwall! BTW, I have a sub (Hsu STF-3). Helps a lot with the La Scala.

No, no, it's all cool. I am just a cheap SOB and live at home while I go to college. Nothing to feel bad about. I'm sure your parent are happy to have you still around...

On 11/13/2004 10:04:35 AM Chris Robinson wrote: Ken, I'm assuming that when you say "bedroom", it is a spare bedroom that will be a dedicated HT space. Chris, unless I'm mistaken, Ken is younger than most of us and lives with his parents. This is actually his room. Is that right Ken? He's getting a head start on most people his age! Good stuff! When I was about 17 and living at my parents, I started a mobile disco service for fun and profit. Not a big deal, maybe a dozen gigs a year for 2 or 3 years unless real life caught up. After the first gig spending all the profit renting out a Bose 301 system, a cousin of mine heard about what I was up to and sold me his La Scala's which were sitting in his basement (low WAF for him!). Paid C$800 for the pair! Well, 25 years later I still have those speaker and they are the heart of my audio/HT setup!

Q-Man, The two speakers would be upright and side-by-side, over the TV (no room under it since it has an integrated stand). JM, I really like your center design. I guess I need something like that. The top part would be perfect over my TV. Did you use a standard La Scala crossover to do it? I can see the cost getting prohibitive rather quickly unless you started with an old La Scala to get the parts... So the La Scala on its side isn't okay (which I agree to), but all your sideways Heresys are okay? Does the Heresy have wider up/down dispersion, translating to wider horizontal dispersion when on their side? Also, a friend of mine sent me this link which also discourages using two speakers: http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/roomacoustics/loudspeakerplacement.php Lastly, is to determine when 2 center channels are warranted. Many people like the idea of 2 center channels because there is a lot of sound coming from the center channel, and 2 channels can handle that better than one. It is estimated that the average movie soundtrack has 60% or more of the sound directed at the center channel. Also, many people with projections screen TVs do not like the notion of sound coming from above or below the screen, and therefore try a speaker above and below. All of this may seem well and good, but in most cases 2 center channels are more problematic than they are worth. Typically you wind up with interfering wave patterns between the two speakers that cause areas where certain frequencies are cancelled out and other areas where they are doubled. If this seems difficult to understand imagine dropping a pebble in a pool of still water. The ripples radiate from where the pebble entered the water. Now drop a second pebble in the water in a different location, and you can see how the two ripple effects interfere with each other. This is similar to what happens with two center channels. It is not a problem with stereo channels, because their signals are different and designed to function in a stereo mode. But with two center channels the signal is the same and thus the interference pattern. In general we recommend avoiding 2 channels, and rather than buy 2 center channels, and the necessary amplifiers, buy one better center channel. Thanks guy! Get it going! Anyone on the pro side?

Thanks guys. EBay is looking better then... Does anyone know, if I buy used speakers from the US, will I pay the shipper taxes (GST + PST) when it arrives at my door? I know I would for new gear, but I was wondering if buying used made a difference. That would make buying used within the country 15% more appealing if I paid taxes on US goods!

Does anyone know what the price is for a single new Heresy? When I type in my postal code into the Klipsch dealer finder, I get no hits. Whe I type it a postal for Quebec City, I get two, one of which is 30 miles away and the other 70 miles away. I called the first; no answer. I called the second and they didn't know what a Heresy was (They said the sold the Klipsch "big line", the Reference). Depressing.

A single would work just fine. So you think one is enough? Or that two leads to trouble? There's a 7 dB difference... It's manageable, but it's on the edge.

Hi, As many of you know, I'm on a quest to find a good center for my La Scala's. In the "KG4 as center for La Scala?" thread, Frzninvt suggested a sideways La Scala (a setup he uses). I posted a picture of what it would look like over my TV in that thread. I tried lying one of my mains on its side and listenned to a 5.1 movie. The sound was great when seated in the middle, but not so hot when seated on the side: less high frequency, and a feeling that sound was coming from a loudspeaker instead of being transparent. I'm guessing my seating is closer to the front speakers than Frzninvt's and the angle gets bigger. The ideal would be a single vertical Cornwall, mounted horizontally. I'm not likely to find that anytime soon! I think a good compromise is to use a pair of black Heresy's. The 97 dB efficiency goes up to 100 or 103 when you double them (depends on whether it's just a doubling of power or if the doubled area goes into it as well) so it is easily matched to 104 dB. The impedence in parallel is 4 ohms, which is still okay. I've read that someone on this forum uses a pair of speakers and likes it, and another saying that it muddies the sound because of the phase interference of two closely spaced point sources. I'm sorry, but I never kept those threads and can't find them again. Any others with opinions on this? Would a pair of Heresy's work? Or should I just buy one (perhaps brand new for close to the same price?) Thanks!

As far as the LaScala goes, all I can personally tell you is that they're the ugliest loudspeaker I've ever seen. Nothing personal of course. No, that would be the Cornwall. Nothing to look at but a big grill! I think the La Scala look great! They look loud even when not in use and have an interesting geometry to look at. Whatever floats your boat I guess!

Rob, Adding a Hsu STF-3 to my La Scala's sounded out teh sound very well!