Jay L

Klipsch does not typically release network schematics for products still sold new in the market. I worked on the F-20, and am quite familiar with it. What don't you like about it? You won't hurt my feelings by saying something negative, it can only provide input for future products.

It seems the only way to make some happy is to lay out the entire design, along with who made what decision. Who cares, let your ears decide.

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Bearing in mind I'm but a lowly web developer, and not one of our hot-shot engineers and I know you don't want some misinformation or even informative marketing lingo, and although I've learned A LOT since I started working here - I'll defer to the information I've been given: These new bass/midrange drivers use the advanced Cerametallic cone with a newly developed titanium voice coil former which eliminates eddy currents, allowing linear coil travel for enhanced efficiency, lowest distortion and extended clean bass response. Lower distortion bass and midrange response Greater phase coherency as the driver seamlessly matches with the polar pattern of the horn at crossover Greater linearity provides for uncompressed, dynamic response Excellent efficiency and power handling Extended bass response (extension) Perhaps @DaveWJr, @Andy W, or @Jay L can provide more technical insight if they have a moment. They are all much smarter than me! The "cones" themselves are pretty much the same as Ref II. The Ref II got a jump in the cone department from Ref. IV mkI. Some additional tweaks were made on a "per model basis" as every single woofer has a new frame for the premier line. We are not going to give up all the sauce on every question, that comes with the industry we are in. I will say this, we don't replace a line of speakers with something that sucks.

I will say the RP stuff is MORE than just an update. The tweeters are a completely new design. Think of it as leaving rubber all over the road compared to a chicken strip with the Ref II LTS tweeters. They be hot-rods! The 450C is sweet! Finally a sketch of our Atmos tower, it is pretty cool in person. more to come...

This is the way we use T/S parameters to design with. All drivers go through a break-in procedure. I am pretty sure this is common in the industry.

I'm sure a LOT depend on your ceiling height. Any speaker becomes wide dispersion when bounced off a flat surface. Now you're on to something Claude

Perhaps that reviewer hasn't heard a good "reflective demo", my experience has been the opposite of that.

You can probably find answers... 150106 - 150109

I need a lot more seat time before I can say I definitely prefer one style over the other. Both style of setups for Atmos has Pros and Cons. I would generally say that Elevation style speakers can make a more diffused height plane, while in-ceiling speakers can sometimes give their location away. Both styles work very well though for the desired effect. If the design of the Dolby Elevation speaker is made with high directivity, it will mitigate a lot of the direct axis information. I have had little seat time with DSX, I would say that is lends itself to a more discreet sound rather than a diffused one. It is a very good experience in its own right. I think for the consumer you can get a very good immersive experience cheaper by using Atmos. If one simply uses a 5.1.2 with two elevation speakers, the impact of additional speakers in the room is minimized. In my opinion Atmos will make the largest impact to reinvigorate home theater in last 20 years. It will make a larger impression for the average consumer than the lossless formats of 8 years ago.

I think the biggest pet peeve - it certainly is mine - is they are not Reference speakers. It's led to so much confusion for many less educated about the Klipsch lines. They aren't reference speakers...they're synergy or icon...doesn't matter what Klipsch did to them, a spade is a spade. If they're made cheaper than what Reference was, then they don't deserve the status. The name Synergy or Icon worked just fine for those lower lines. My thought process anyway... I understand what you are saying. What make a Reference speaker, Reference? Would anyone feel differently if we called Ref.II Synergy Platinum, and there was NO Reference badge? In time the muddy water will become clear again.

I worked on both of those lines, so I know them well. The main difference is the directivity above 2kHz. If you prefer a slightly older klipsch sound go with Synergy. If you want something closer to the latest Reference speakers, get the Icon. They are both great speakers. Neither of these lines have anything in common with the V series, that is another animal.

We could call them XXX if we wanted to. Klipsch fully believes they are worthy of the name given. I can't give away the secret sauce, but I can assure you the drivers, and tweeters in the "new" Reference are not "cheap". This place is getting like the old west, the new speakers in town get all kinds of strange looks. New things are often added to the menu, try it before you decide it isn't for you.

You guys have some of the right ideas going on in this thread, other ideas not so much. I know exactly what the home specs call for. Unfortunately I can not tell you guys for legal reasons. I for one can not wait to have an Atmos theater in my home. The testing we are doing at HQ is by FAR the most enveloping theater experience I have ever heard. I have only dabbled with the new upmixer (Dolby Surround), but so far it seems to be pretty good. There is a specific response required for a Dolby Elevation Atmos Speaker to be released to the market, as well as other things. I can say that it kind of forces the hand of any manufacturer regarding what kind of speaker can be made for this purpose. I think I can give a couple suggestions without overstepping any legalities. In general any up-firing speaker would benefit from being highly directional to as low of frequency as possible. It is a good idea these speakers be able to keep up in output compared to all the rest in your system. There is so much I wish Dolby would just share with the public for all to have a better understanding of Atmos. I suppose i can drop bread crumbs here and there if people keep posting about Atmos.

Stay Tuned... better now?

I bet if the amp is "on" (blue light on all the time) you may have some loose connectors on the driver terminals. You could remove the amp panel and check that way. The leads are a little short so small hands are a benefit.

Well, the question is if Klipsch is going to come out with an upfiring option? That said, I won't be able to use it because of our A-Frame ceiling but it appears several/most other folks could if they chose to go that route. I also have a vaulted ceiling at home. I have been told that Atmos will work with many types of high ceilings. I think with some tweaking you could "reverse vault" the installation of an upfiring speaker. I will be trying this at home in the future, I have to have an Atmos setup after hearing it for myself.

OP, even if you don't buy the R-28F, just buy something with K L I P S C H on it and its all good!

Depends. There were RF-5's in Minneapolis last week for $500...it'd shame the everliving poo out of the R-28's. I'd even put the RF-62's over the R-28's personally. You seem to not be a fan of the R-28F. I take it you have heard a pair set up properly, and directly compared these other models you are recommending in their place? It is okay if you don't like them, I am just surprised you feel that strongly against them. I feel they are a fantastic value for their price.

We have done Atmos testing at Klipsch, and the results are quite impressive. I have seen as an option "front height" listed in 2 Onkyo models. I would gather this means you can keep your "PLIIz" height channel speakers where they are. From my experience this would likely be the least desired option as the direct axis information could give away their location. I have not experimented with those locations, so I wouldn't rule it out. I can say both IC, and upfiring options do indeed work.

You need the actual driver parameters to design a proper box for it. If you have a little patience, try building a box yourself. It really isn't that difficult to make a box. It could be a fun time with you and your son.

The SB-3 does not decode a DTS signal. You would need to set your source to pcm output or decode it in your TV if it can do that. A typical setup would be to run all sources over HDMI to the TV, then use an optical cable from the TV out to the SB-3.

You guys should really get a listen to the new R-11xSW subs. They are a brand new design from the ground up. Nothing is shared between these and the previous SW line. I feel very confident these will hold their own pound for pound in the price point across the market. They sound really good!

What "mods" did you do to your RSW-15? Myself and one other individual built from scratch 3 new RSW-15s, and modified a 4th unit. They started life as 100% identical copies of production units. After verification, it was time to make a modification to the electronics. This was an experiment to see just how far the original design could be pushed. I would say this modification if left at full throttle for extended periods could break things.