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I liked the Jubs with the 402 horns better and the 510 horns look too small on the bass bins. That said, the pair with the 510 horns have a lot going for them too.

Friday afternoon. Call my cell if you need a ride from the airport Friday afternoon / evening.

Tom, Meagain, I've exported my copy to a PDF document. I didn't see the lines on the notes page but other than that it looked OK. (I open in Open Office and then export to PDF. Please send me your email address if you'd like me to try and send you the PDF version. It didn't appear that I could attach a file emailing from the Forum. Meagain, Be sure you're online when opening as I think the maps are probably embedded as links. Ben Samuelson

Any chance that Klipsch tees and other gear will be available at the Pilgrimage? Don't want to pay for shipping if I don't have to.

These aren't really questions and are a bit over general How about a discussion on amplifier requirements pertainng primarily to Klipsch speakers and different Klipsch models real power requirements, advantages of Klipsch over other less efficient speakers - obviously the power requirements are a lot less, but what are the less obvious benefits - I've always been of the belief that too much is better than too little what are the most important characteristics for a power amplifier is PWK's good 5 watt amplifier all anyone really needs tube vs solid state - advantages and disadvantages of each for driving speakers - does one type of amplifier sound better for different types of music or models of speakers? (I've seen many posts that claim the Heritage series speakers sound much better with tubes) - are there any real advantages of one or the other? Plans for the future of Klipsch products If there's anything you can tell us... Crossover design passive vs active low sloop vs higher slope most critical components of a crossover Tweaking ones speakers - recommended updates to older models replacing the xover caps seems to be a popular option with great benefit for the cost Recommended room placement for speakers that don't require a corner

Sounds wonderful. I mean, after all, these are test tracks to demonstrate the capabilities of the speakers being demonstrated which I'm sure they will do very well. A little something for practically every taste so everybody will probably get at least a couple of minutes of music they're familiar with and things they'll want to hear more of.

We make good use of that here too. Will BS&T suffice? I"ve got a tune of their on the prospective list. David Clayton Thomas' voice is much more interesting than Peter Cetera any day. Dire Straits is on there too. Take Five by Dave Brubeck, Planets Holst, Allman Brothers, Keith Emerson Piano solo, Steve Howe (Yes) guitar fiddly bits, more jazz.... I'll be recording something this week and putting it to the test here before you guys get here. Yes, BS&T will be wonderful - I'm more familiar with Chicago but BS&T has been floating up to the top of the music to get list for a long time. The recordings mentioned will be wonderful. Even quite a few things I'm at least somewhat familiar with and some I probably should be. Sounds like a good approach to me.

How about some Chicago, any of the older stuff with the full horn section wailing away.

Saw some vintage LaScalas on eBay starting at $325, up to $455 the last time I checked. Would be interested myself but no budget and not sure my wife is ready for such large cabinets. I think these are from 1974 and look pretty good in the picture. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=ADME%3AL%3ARTQ%3AUS%3A1&viewitem=&item=290123002277&rd=1

Wouldn't that be a little too quiet? Eerily quiet ... Could be amusing though if some wisacre would turn on something frightening, maybe the beating heart from Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon - probably just cue it up on an MP3 player with alarm function connected to a Heritage series speaker would be enough to scare Justin out of his wits.... on second thought, maybe best not try that as we wouldn't want to send anyone into cardiac arrest.

I see some very good selections. I too would want some things I'm familiar with, and some I'm not. Here're my suggestions: Mars (I think) from Holst The Planets - the section with everything playing full tilt - really sounds like crud on my modest system, I think mostly sending smallish amplifiers into severe clipping with inefficient speakers (not sure I've tried it with my highest power amp, might not be safe with my smallish inefficient speakers) and possibly overloading the front end Flight of The Cosmic Hippo by Bela Fleck and the Flecktones - heard this played as a demo at a high end audio show a few years back through $16,000 / pair Hales speakers to demonstrate bass extension and to dispel the notion of wimpy "Hales" bass - wasn't as impressed as I thought I should be - especially being driven with $60,0000 - $80,000 + of Krell electronics including massive monoblock power amps - thought that the Amrita speakers driven by Aragon components in another room sounded as good with more punch when called for - and John (?) from Amrita and Tony Federici from Mondial designs were a lot more fun I wouldn't worry too much about non-audiophile types which would definitely include me - I've always viewed Klipsch as being more concerned with music (and soundtracks) than whatever the Holy Grail du Jour is for the audiophile crowd. It seems the audiphile types only grudgingly admit to liking Klipsch speakers - still don't understand why - maybe it's because they're can't stand to actually listen to the music as they seem overly concerned with listening to the equipment - I'm not sure that some of them even like live music

Oscar, I too have ankylosing spondylitis. Not sure I've had any bone spurs and the doctors haven't said anything about lousy bones so it sounds like I'm getting off easy compared to you. I also have some osteo arthritis in my knees, and probably some arthritis of some kind in my shoulders or that could be the AS as it seems to be the cause of my extra stiff neck and chest inflamation. Ben

Yes, I'd love to hear as many different models as possible. A big part of the reason I got to get to the pilgrimage. That and the tour and hanging out with a bunch of fun loving people and I've always been fascinated by audio reproduction Well, "system" in every room is a bit optimistic.... I should've bought at least a small pair when I lived in the Dallas area in the late 80's early 90's as a coworker got a pair on sale for $100 a speaker ... and he and others including a coworker who was also a good friend were very impressed... didn't have any money then and nothing to hook them up to except for replacing my main speakers... or maybe a boombox And I think that was after my friend had chunked out $800 or $900 a pair on some Cantons (didn't ask my opinion) Nor did a former coworker / friend who's installed a home theater in his home using 5 BSTM model 301s (or something like that) - methinks he could've done much better (didn't ask my opinion either) From what I've read about the $100 a pair promedia, I think it's way past time to get some Klipsch - gotta start somewhere - maybe outside - maybe in our bathroom we've torn apart to replace the tub - had already planned on getting some music in there to go along with the Jacuzzi tub and some of the Klipsch in wall speakers look surprisingly affordable - bet I can get plenty of help on where to put speakers in the bathroom and I hadn't even thought too much about the used market until Christy suggested it.... time to improve on the quality of our speakers

might as well complete the novel ... the Garage has a pair of minimus 7's driven by an old car stereo - I'll probably soon add the minimus 11's and may someday be joined by my current homebuilt main speakers - that may be the time to build a better (sounding) box and real crossover

Michael, I almost sent a private message as my system is sooooo puny compared to most. I've been a fan of Klipsch products since high school but still have yet to purchase my first Klipsch product nor my first pair of real speakers. I suspect marriage and kids will do that to you. Most of my audio purchases have been things on sale, trying not to spend too much money I don't have and the components I do have not really assembled with any real plan. Living room Speakers are a pair of 8" 2 ways I built in college a little too cheaply - particle board shelving and a really crappy crossover, drivers by Peerless - K010DT 1" soft dome tweeter, not sure of the woofer model though I replaced both woofers after a move (the one time I hadn't packed them myself or moved them myself....) (WAY past due for an upgrade - I've put off rebuilding a better box, they don't look that bad as venerred in cherry and a real crossover as I'd rather put that money into some real speakers though it could be fun to see how much better sound I could get) I did have 3 pairs of Advent Marbls (have I lost mine) that I paid next to nothing for but fried one pair at my daughters 16th birthdy party (itty bitty speakers hooked up to a powerful high current amplifier and cheap mixer with more output than a standard preamp - Aretha's R.E.S.P.E.C.T. sounded much better and louder than I thought those little speakers could - then someone put on some Sum 41 (EMO genre) - the 5-1/4" mid bass drivers lasted about 5 seconds, the tweeters quite a bit longer may have been going yet when I got back to the volume control, so being the cool Dad that I am, I put up another pair with some serious tape to limit the level and remembered that the Carver amp had an input level control on each channel) - my first pair of Klipsch speakers may be outdoor models to use on Deckzilla should it ever approach completeness) (I promise, should I win the Jubs, no teenage will get a chance at the volume control - I suspect the aforementioned mixer would drive them plenty loud enough - or close enough to set or spill their sodas on them) Turntable (still play vinyl once in a while when I'm not too lazy as any vinyl I play gets a once over from the old Discwasher and zerostat) is Dual CS500 fitted with SHURE V15 type5MR cartridge - I did replace the original cable by cutting down a lower level monster cable as the original developed a short - I had found a replacement at at least one source that can supply parts and/or rebuild Dual turntables recommended carefully bending the pins for the original cable and soldering on your own cable so that's what I did Phone preamp is Rolls vp29 - small little red box with external walwart power supply - Made In USA - probably would've gotten the NAD or Parasound but I buy US made products when possible and the Rolls was the least expensive of the 3 DVD / CD Player is a Toshiba SD 2200 - a twin tray model and I'm not sure why as there's not an option to play tray 1 and then tray 2 - no component video CD Recorder / Player - Teac RW-H300 - a half rack width and somewhat tall with a THICK aluminum faceplate I picked up an on-line auction a few years ago Preamp - Chase Remote Line Controller I bought from an online source when they were "giving" them away for S&H of $23 or something really cheap - cheap enough I should've gotten another one or two Amplifier Carver AV705x - rated 125 wpc into 8 ohms, I think 180 wpc into 8 ohm driving 2 channels - and capable of delivering high currentl - currently sitting on my desk waiting to install the replacement power switch - it took quite a while to get the new switch as Roland, the person who bought out the Carver parts inventory from Sunfire when it was sold to ?, had just received the parts and hadn't yet even opened most of the cartons - then forgot to ship my switch but promptly didso when I called a couple of weeks after he thought he had shipped it - in transit that day - would not hesitate to use him for any repairs or as parts source - as my dream speakers have long been Klipschorns, though I've yet to hear a pair (didn't want to torture myself) I'm not sure what I was thinking in buying such a brute of an amplifier, though I did get it new for less than 1/2 it's normal retail price. I've also been interested in the Ohm, Magnepan, and Legacy brands though I think I'd choose Klipsch as they seem to have the best performance for the price. Realistic STA-52 receiver I bought in something like 1978 - rated 12 wpc into 8 ohms - tuner has only functioned in mono for years - but plenty of power to drive my homemade speakers far louder than is probably healthy for my hearing Receiver - Harman Kardon AVR 85 - rated 85 wpc into 8 ohms with good current capability - currently has numerous issues - left main channel doesn't work - front panel display works once in a great while and is collecting dust primarily thouugh I've used occasionally as a tuner - mostly used it as preamp / turner anyway as I got it after the Carver amplifier - Bought this new from an online auction at a very good price but still within $200 of the Outlaw Audio preamp / tuner / processor available at that time - haven't decided yet if I want to take it to a repair shop or dig out my soldering iron and dive into it myself armed with soldering iron and a simple Radio Shack multimeter - this also runs much hotter than the Carver amplifier - suspect most of the problems from powerline surges not quite sever enought to be trapped by my apparently less than adequate surge protector - thinking of getting something similar to the Furman models I've found that should clamp down on spikes pretty well but also shut things down gracefully when the power deviates very much from the standard Cables - standard 12 gauge zip cord for the speakers, inexpensive Radio Shack interconnects Outside - The 2nd set of Advent Marbls driven by a 30 wpc JBL receiver with bad tuner section, or occasionally the Carver amp, source normally Zen Xtra mp3 or portable CD player connected to a Radio Shack mixer or direct from headphone jack, occasionally FM from the HK receiver Bedroom - Teac Tuner with built in timer hooked up to Boston Acoustics BA-4800 computer speakers - got them for about $25 at an online auction - replaced old Realistice minimus 11 (the big brother to the minimus 7) from the college days hooked up to a JBL receiver with dead tuner section Home Office - Cambridge Soundworks Model 12 transportable (these were a gift but pretty good for portable system) sources are a rack system Sansui tuner, a 6 disc Magnavox CD changer, and headphone adaptor to plug into Creative Labs Zen Xtra mp3 player Kitchen - Cambridge Soundworks Soundworks computer speakers using the tuner of a portable walkman sized cassette player or swapping the mp3 player - got these on spur of the moment when they were new on the market - not sure Klipsch made computer speakers then Office at work - Cambridge Soundworks computer speakers, the 4 speaker model a step below the Soundworks - had used in bedroom for a while so currently at home as I try not to work late enough to be able to listen to speakers - normally Grado SR60 headphones driven by Creative Labs Zen Xtra mp3 Sorry for the length - I missed a night's sleep recently and tend to ramble, on and on when I've not had enough sleep.... I am serious when I commented on an earlier post that I may be able to come help with some heavy lifting.... Ben

In the original picture, I was thinking I might have to pretty these up a bit (dreaming that I'd win - but best odds I've ever had for winning something worthwhile) but would I want to as these cabinets have some history. Or that I could go crazy and build my own cabinets like the person in another thread.... not sure my woodworking skills are yet up to such a task. Then I'd have a set of cabinets to return and you're back where you started from. I think BS button yellow would be way too cool ... and I'd feel guilty to mess with the finish - though the WAF would be higher if finished in a nice veneer - but the BS Button yellow sounds way too cool and makes these even more of Klipsch collector's item Even cooler if you'd paint on the BS, maybe somewhat inconspciuosly, and then have the people who helped put them together sign each cabinet. How cool would that be?

So the real reason to get gold binding posts and speaker connectors is because they look pretty. Might be worth an extra $5 or $10 but probably best spent on some Caig Laboratories Pro Gold ... So, any advantages of gold plating on connections used outside? Sounds like another good use for Pro Gold. Pro Gold does wonders for cleaning up noisy volume controls, preceded by de-oxit for really noisy volume controls... Didn't take rants as Klipsch bashing, just a lttle disappointed as older models had gold plating. And may be the "flagship" of that line ... but I'll always associate Klipsch flagship as fully horn loaded, including the BASS (no stinkin subwoofer required and probably only a Klipsch that could even begin to keep up with the bad boys) and the really number one reason to have gold plated binding posts and jumpers ... the WAF - gold is pretty, my wife likes gold, see honey, it's got pretty gold plated doo hickies to hook the wires to (and no, most wives aren't that audio illiterate, they just pretend to be to build up our fragile male egos and dtel's wife seems to be as fanatical about awesome sound as dtel - if it's something in the water, could you send me some?

I'm impressed. Start to finish way quicker than normal people. And looks very good. So was it the threat of a carload or two of Klipschanatics showing up to "help" that spurred this project to near completion so quickly? Or just got the youngun excited so had to finish it so he'd let you sleep? You or someone did mention something about a bunch putting up a party tent... no problems with speed but otherwise a somewhat less than optimal tent raising

Jay, I understand your point, a college environment is one where control issues would be a big concern. As for my back yard with teenagers involved - they will wish they have died should they get too close, aim hose or fireworks, or even look wrong in the direction of such speakers, not too mention even think about cranking the volume or messing with the tone controls. Ok, may have to build a cage to put things in or mount 'em up on the roof near a guard tower. And don't even think about it if there's any chance of rain... Were you to win and not me (like that's going to happen) I'd be happy to keep yours locked inside the house at all times and not let the teenagers too close, maybe even keep them in our office area and ban 'em from entering. So I don't win anything. Still sounds like way too much fun to pass up.... a lot of wonderful people, some more dysfunctional than me, maybe .... allowed into the engineering facility and demos of how different components affect the sound... I mean they even help people tweak the sound of their older speakers - how cool is that and how many other, if any, speaker companies sponsor such events? Now I really know why I've always dreamed of a pair of Klipschorns, or two and a Belle or LaScala or just a pile of LaScala's ... but never any budget... some day is getting closer with the kids growing up

Promedias maybe, but Bose cubes? The man's in pain, show him a little respect... the Bose cubes are literally featherweights While I respect a lot of the research that Dr Bose and associates have contributed to the world of audio, there's no denying that love or hate their products, they've produced some lightweight speakers (good, bad, great, terrible no judgement intended)

Jay, Should you be fortunate enough to win, I'm sure you could find someone in the forum who would lovingly keep them for you until you found a larger home, and even (grudingly of course) actually let you have them back. But being a college student, you'd probably be able to fit 'em in a dorm room - transportation would be the biggest obstacle ... I was amazed what other students could cram into a VW, but these would require something along the lines of a fairly sizable minivan or pickup truck. Of course the landlord downstairs could be tough - but allow him to listen to what he/she likes once in a while might alleviate that potential problem. I'll gladly volunteer to keep 'em for a couple of years... [] and would let you have them back, though I'm sure that part would be very difficult - I'm sure we could work out a visitation schedule until you'd come to haul 'em home... [:'(] College. Dorm. Party potential. Maybe could keep in the dorm and use for dorm parties and dances.... but I like the me keeping 'em for a couple of years option better... [H] I suspect Colter and his House of Klipsch or other Klipsch employees would help you figure something out Ben

Not being an engineer (though I considered it at one time), or chemist, or physicist, isn't the biggest benefits of using gold plating, while a very good conductor, on audio connections mainly to prevent corrosion and oxidation and other such nasty things?

Klipsch catering to audiophiles would probably more accurately be described as catering to music lovers. I suspect PWK showed many audiophile types his famous BULL@^#% button..... (can we add an old english font to the forum editor - maybe I'm using the wrong editor) Loudspeaker design is a series of compromises, especially to be affordable enough that real people can actually afford to buy them. One of the compromises made for the RB-61 was to use something less than gold plating on the binding straps and binding posts straps as the engineers (uh, extremely highly trained and talented experts in their field) determined that gold plating on the RB-61 would be superfluous on this speaker, no real sonic value, more a marketing decision spent the money where it'd improve the sound or kept the cost down a couple of $. Dressing up a Chevette won't make it a Corvette or even a reasonable fascimile thereof no matter what you do to it. Klipsch in my mind has never catered to audiophiles, but more to music lovers and for that we should all be thankful. Many audiophile" companies probably gold plate most if not all of their binding posts and straps and I suspect in a lot of cases the results being lower in quality than the RB-61 binding posts. While I consider Klipsch products to be "high-end" and worthy of "audiophile" status, they're first and foremost devoted to music (and film soundtracks of course) and are much better than many so called "high-end" and "audiophile" products that cost much more. Um, the RB-61 is probably not quite Klipsch's "flagship" model - ever heard of the Klipschorn? Or Belle, or La Scala, or Cornwall, or Heresy, or... . but probably one of the best, if not the best, options available for the price And now this new model called the Jubilee I'm not sure I'd heard of until a couple of weeks ago... Please don't read the manual, I think Colter really digs his job..... but do take a look as I'm sure they don't write 'em just for fun

Yes, Belated Happy Mother's Day to all mothers. And an early Happy Father's Day to all fathers. I too raeally miss my mother, who passed away in October of 1980 when I was a freshmen in college, and still think of her often. Seeing me in college was one of her final goals in life I later learned, guess I should have delayed college for a couple of years. My biggest regret is that she never got to meet my lovely wife or her granddaughters, the first being born in 1989, but her mother did get to hold my oldest daughter. Thankfully, my father carried on until February of 1998 before he passed away and did get to meet my wfie and his granddaughters. The smartest thing we ever did was move closer to Indiana (the Chicago area) from Texas (not a smart move financially) when our oldest was about 3 or 4 and then to Kokomo just before our youngest daughter was born in September of 1994. Dad's death was crushing to us all and a lot more so for our oldest daughter than it would have been had we stayed in Texas, but not giving Dad a chance to know his granddaughters and them to know him would've been something I'd never have gotten over. A thousand miles away and 2 to 4 visits a year just didn't cut it. Dad had been engaged to a lovely woman, officially the same time my wife of 20+ years were engaged, but never remarried, but his fiance is Grandma Norma to this day to my daughters and a good friend / confidant to my wife and myself (and a lot closer to Mom in demeanor than my mother out law). We should all be blessed to have 1/10th the friends my father, and mother, had and still have. Thankfully , the mother out law, living in Indiana, and father out law, living in Florida, are doing fine, getting along much better now that they live 1000 miles apart. And we have a great really cheap (can't beat free) and nice place to stay near the gulf beaches in Florida for Spring Break and the Christmas Holidays. The greatest gift ever link to the Twilight Zone kind of surprised me ... but it makes sense in the context of losing a loved one - you don't ever really get over it as a big part of your heart is ripped out - the emotions just kind of get burried (until you read posts like this at 2:00 AM) - your life doesn't go on as before and you never get back to normal - life as you know it is different from that point forward - I think the reason the family of the dearly departed never seem to lose it is they have to be strong for one another and it's not your life anymore - I liken it to you're watching yourself as in a movie - life does go on but it never gets back to normal - the normal is forever more a lot different - more pain and sorrow ... and more great things including great joy and happiness to come B

on second thought, scrap the tasers - someone would probably use one on me I'm really not this nuts, not all the time anyway, mostly when I stay up too late and try to get up with the darn worm eaters but that's just my opinion