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cleger......I feel one of the most important aspects of quick, tight bass response is having an amplifier that has complete authority/control over your speakers. Chances are your not going to get that with a lower to mid level a/v receiver. I would suggest going to your audio store and seeing if they would loan you a good SS amp in the 150/200 watts a channel range to see if thats the problem. I would be willing to bet it is. Mdeneen is also right about the placement issues. Also I wouldn't worry about speakers cables, now interconnects are a different story. A good pair of interconnects will almost always improve lower frequency response and overall sound. I couldn't believe the amount of tight, accurate bass my Epic's were able to produce once I changed all my cables to Transparent Audio cables. As for amps I've always had great luck with Adcom's two channel amps. Good luck.............

Wasn't it CO2 that caused the first ice age? Hell, probably even killed the dinosaurs! I just hope they can patch that ever expanding hole we created in the last 100 years. Atleast the democrats totally restructured the health care system. They even did it twice, once in 92 and once in 96. Thanks

Come on.....let's stick with tradition here. The artists should continue to get ripped off by the recording companies not all those "innocent music lovers."

John, I decided to go with a Creek. The main deciding points were price and the fact that I love my current preamp. Also, with the money I saved from going with an external phono pre I purchased a new set of Transparent audio interconnects. I'll have everything hooked up and LP's spinning in approx. two weeks. I will let you all know how it goes. Can't WAIT! One more question....the turntable I got is an 1982 B@O and the rca's connectors are very corroded. What's the best way to get them looking and sounding great? Some kind of silver cleaner? Thanks.......

Finally going to be buying a new preamp. My old preamp, an Adcom GTP 600 still works flawless, but with the addition of my new turntable I need something with Phono inputs. My question is this.....I plan on going in to listen to a Rotel rc-995 tomorrow. I've heard great things about this preamp but was wondering if any of you have first hand knowledge of this piece to give me a head start....Any info would be appreciated. It's between the Rotel and the new Adcom GFP 710. I'd like to stay with the Adcom considering the rest of my components would all match, but I can get a great deal on the 995 if I like it....Thanks

Cola.....I too prefer my horns toed in. At thirteen feet you wouldn't have to toe them in very much. Obviously the farther you have the two speakers spread apart the more you'll have to toe them in. I have my Epic's 8 feet apart and my listening position is just over 9 feet, therefore I have a little more toe in than I would need if say I was 13-15 feet away. I have them toed in approximetly four inches, six inches from the inside corner to the wall and 10 inches from the outside corner to the wall. I do have to agree with Mdeneen, this is all personal preference......so if you like the way it sounds currently there's no need to change it.....

I have a little story I'd like to share with all you two-channel friends out there. I'm sure most of you visit your local audio store more frequently than I do, so you've probably witnessed this long ago. This last Saturday I visited my old/favorite audio store for the first time in five or so years. I wasn't remotely prepared for what I saw when I entered through the front door. Not one separate......Let me repeat that...NOT ONE SEPERATE!! No big speakers, No three hundered dollar interconnect cables! What did they have, you ask. Lets see......An abundance of button happy receivers, tiny cube speakers, little subwoofers, beautiful audio/video furniture and sales personal deceiving customers. They also had a nice selection of huge televisions, but that's alright, I don't have a problem with that. I could not believe how small and cheap everything has gotten. Some of the speakers looked as if they were thrown together with some crazy glue and balsa wood. I was stunned, I mean this is the place where five years ago had some nice seperates and K-horns along with a couple other nice lines. But what bothered me the most was the sales personel. I roamed around for awhile keeping a low profile while a few speakers were being demoded. I watched as two separate individuals listened to front speakers not realizing the sub in the corner of the room was functioning. This same thing happpened with surround speakers mounted high on the wall. Did I say anything? Of course not.....I know this probably won't surprise most of you, but I just had to let you know of my depressing visit to my old stereo store. By the way, I do have a new shop I frequent which is primarly a two-channel-high end shop, so don't feel sorry for me. Or HELL, maybe I'm just getting old. I do still watch LaserDiscs in two channel!

I can only dream of having that much equipment. What speakers are you using the 5500 for? Sorry for not answering any of you questions...

Guy sitting in chair with hair blown back? MAXELL, I had the t-shirt forever, just loved it. Too bad it wasn't a Klipsch though. Forget about the direct reflecting. Recognizing it from only Bose should tell you something.

With the amount of contributions made to this guys Presidential library, we should expect a media/theater room full of Klipsch finest. I can just see it now....SPEAKER GATE

Bill......Two meters from your Belles? Do your room dimensions dictate that or is that by choice? Do you have them toed in quite a bit? Can't wait to hear more on the tri-amping. By the way, until I get a letter from the government ordering my next audio purchase to be a tubed amplifier, I'll stick with my SS.

John......Have you narrowed down your choices to those two particalar models or are you still open to different KLIPSCH models? If you have narrowed it down to those two I'd be interested in what your reasons were. Later....................

dcb....What were your plans when purchasing the 20's? It sounds like you like the sound of you RF-3's, so why did you purchase the 20's? If these speakers are going to be used for two-channel listening I would highly suggest the use of seperates. You'll wonder why you didn't do it sooner. Do the RF-3's hiss at all? I know the 20's are a bit more efficient but the RF-3's are not Thiels, you would think the hiss would persist on them also. Did you try to switch the 20's to the A side terminal? As for seperates....you can pick up used Adcom power amps fairly cheap on ebay, which in most cases will provide you with dynamics, clarity, and overall presence that will surpass the majority of receivers. Good Luck........

DPonder.......just received your message and replied. later...

Interesting....maybe you have something there! That's an awful lot of speaker for one room though....Your description of the two side by side is exactely what I expected. My friend has some 1982 Hereseys which sound great, but would be way to bright, raspy, whatever you want to call it, for me. They are totally stock so I'm sure you could tone them down a little with some tweaks, but he's happy with them and that's all that counts. Now I'm not comparing the KLF 20's with Heresey models here, I'm just saying I sensed that same brightness factor, which I would find fatiging in extended listening periods. I find my Epic's extremely warm with no sense of listening fatigue. Obviously everyone has different opinions on what sounds (RIGHT), but for me I'd rather have warmth, depth, and overall presence, than a more up front, in your face slam. Later.....BY the way you never awnsered my question on the polarity swith on the GCD 700....

DPonder....I'd be interested in what your opinion of the epic's vs. legends, since you have them both in your listening room. I have 1995 CF-2's which I absolutely love. I have heard the KLF-20's, but only in a stereo store so there's no way I can make a fair comparison. The KLF-20's sound great, but the depth and soundstage of the epics are just awesome. Now I know this isn't a totally fair comparison because those KLF-20's weren't in my living room. My listening position is only nine feet from my CF-2's but on most material it sounds like the music is emanating from far behind the speakers, which I just love. I also have an Adcom 700, great player. Do you ever use the polarity switch? Later........

DPonder......Trey Cannon has a pair of Oak CF-2's on sale. Don't know if that interest ya, but I thought I'd let ya know. There's a message on this forum about them...later

Colin.....I know where you can get ten to twelve acre's right beside the Platte River up here in Nebraska. It's kind of cold in the winter but I figure if you put a house in the middle of ten acres or so you won't have to worry about blasting any neighbors patience with your new WALL of speakers. Let me know!

tblasing.....You stand when your listening? You must be in much better physical shape than me. I got a feeling once you get those KLF-20's hooked up you'll be more apt to be in a sitting position when listening to your music. You can pick up used Carver equipment fairly cheap anymore. I would suggest there older models especially the equipment being produced under Bob Carvers direction. You might be totally happy with you receiver with the addition of those KLF-20's though. Let us know what you find out. Once you get those new speakers up and going you'll probably disregard that Yamaha sub altogether. Later...Do you read standing up also? Had to ask....

Very impressive John!!! Judging by all those angles you must have great patience. Let me know if you ever need to get rid of some of those hand built big boys, as I'd be glad to take a pair off your hands.

mbm135.....Adcom GCD 700...It's still current and has been made for five years or so. Great looks and build, even better sound. Only thing is it list for seven to eight hundred. Since it's been in production for a few years you might you might be able to find one used in your price range. It does have a remote too! Believe me...when you load up five discs and sit down on the couch in front of your Klipsch speakers the last thing you want to do is get up to change discs or songs.....later

4977.......Thanks for the info. Can I ask you how much that costs to get done. It's not under warranty and If I could fix it I'd love to open it up, although I'd be doing something new....thanks

Please help...I have an Adcom GFA 5500 amp. I have owned this amp for five years or so and have never had any problems with it till now. I love the sound of this amp so I definitely want to get this fixed. I went to turn my system on this morning and I notice an electrical hum coming from the front of the amp. I unplugged the amp and plugged it in to different outlets throughout the house and it still hums. I contacted Adcom and they said in all probability the transformers loose or coming loose. The hum is loud enough to hear from five feet or so, and it's driving me nuts. It used to be totally quiet, not even a hint of noise. There is a place nearby that works on Adcom but I just wanted to see if any of you have some kind of idea about this problem. THANKS

z28ster....Squared rooms can be detrimental to the sound of your system, but there are many things you can do to counter this. The first and most important element of any room is the flooring. Nice, thick padded carpet is a great starting point. Sloping ceilings can be awfully tricky, your going to have to experiment a little there. Another important element is glass/windows. If possible you want to stay away from pointed your speakers toward large windows or doors. If you have no choice you'll have to put up some nice curtains or vertical blinds. I prefer placing my speakers on the long wall of a room but your not going to have a choice there. Others on this board will be able to help you more with you questions on your klipschorns, but I do know that you need to have them flush to the corners for optimal low frequency response. GOOD LUCK, oh by the way, the simplest way to describe why square rooms are not optimal is all the sound meets in the middle of the room. You have equal surfaces for all the reflections therefore it forms a box like atmosphere of sound. I'm sure someone can explain it better than that. I did notice you said the room is open in to the kitchen so that might be a plus. Later..

Tom......Does your Denon have a bypass switch to bypass your tone controls? If it does, have you listened to it with everything bypassed? Most often than not this will give you your best sound. Only a few companies make equalizers anymore and very few, if any, hi-end companies have equalizers in there line. The reason for that is...(In My Opinion) equalizers can add only one thing to music, and that's distortion. The only situation I can think of that you would actually benefit from on equalizer is if you listen to your system at low volumes frequently. That way you could fine tune areas of the music to your tastes. Once you get to moderate listening levels you'll find all your doing is overemphasizing one frequency over another. The purest, most accurate signal is going to be achieved by the signal feeding only through the essential circuitry. All that said, I did have a high school buddy that used a Yamaha equalizer...they still make it...and loved it. He had Forte's and mid eighties Carver equipment and just loved the Yamaha. I told him what I thought about equalizers, but he was too busy watching all those dancing lights on his EQ. It did look pretty cool now that I think about it. Later