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Scott, I'm just curious where you went for the re-veneer? I'm in Milwaukee too and would like to have a place in mind if I ever need work done. They look fabulous! Jeff

C'mon Steamer, you gotta have a price you can toss us? Isn't that part of the "rules" of posting items for sale here? []

Who, I should have guessed you were studying to be an engineer! One of my chemical engineering buddies from Madison came back from from class one day with a brown lunch bag for the roomates. Upon inspection, I realized they were mini marshmallows, but they tasted like Lucky Charms marshmallows. He was so proud to learn how the freeze drying (I think that's how they're made) process worked that he made the house a bag of "Lucky Charms". I'll have to tell you sometime about the time we jackhammered our sidewalk at 3 a.m. . .man I miss college. Thanks for the excellent explanation, this time in English [] After a few days of having the subs in the corners, I'm really digging it. I wish I had more technical terminology, but I'm stuck with phrases like "they sound awesome" , "the bass on Outkast's Speakerbox disc makes my heart vibrate", and "I think my house might collapse." Good luck on your interview. . .internship or full time position? Jeff

Just a bump to see if Doc Who has any other thoughts on this placement.

The amp retails for $1400 and the subs for $1250 each. . .$3900 total. A steep price, but this is easily the best sounding bass I've ever heard. These subs add a whole new dimention to my system. To say I'm pleased is an understatement. Jeff

meagain, Thanks for the compliment on the 'Scalas. They were my first pair of Klipsch. . .bought 'em in college about 9 years ago. The guy's wife made him sell them in lieu of an Acoustimass system. Wow, that hurts!! Original boxes, glass tops. . .it was a sweet deal. The poly/varnish job on them isn't perfect, but the cabinets are exceptional. I had another pair of 1980's too, but foolishly sold them last year to pay for new doors. Dumb move. Especially dumb since I have a Mac 2100 collecting dust now. . .but those Cornwall III's are on their way!!!! Jeff

Other side of the room-

Indy, Thanks again for the compliment. I had some buddies over for brews last night and they too were loving the subs. I took Who's advice and put them back in the corners and moved the LaScalas where the subs used to be. I'll try it out for a week or two and then move it back to see where I like them best. I don't remember if it was you or Who that recommended turning the volume up on the sub amp. Great move!!! I'm absolutely in awe of these things, I've never heard bass like this before. Although they have a hefty pricetag, these subs are just insane. The best part too is that I have just about an acre of land, so my neighbors haven't complained yet!! Who: I've added a couple more pics of the speakers swapped to give you an idea of the two configurations I'm toying with. Although I consider myself educated, I have to be honest with ya Doc: I have no idea what your simulation means! Man, I've re-read it 5 times and even studied your post and I don't think I quite get what it says. Based on the limited treatments in my room (light drapes, but heavier sofa and loveseat), do you think I'm getting more accurate bass with the subs in the corners or out? I know there will be some that say "just leave them where you're happy" but if one way is providing more accurate bass, I'd rather train my ears to accept that than the other way around. Am I approaching this wrong? Both ways of sub placement sound great to me, but there is more bass when the subs are in the corners. After a couple more hours of listening, maybe boomy isn't the right word (when corner loaded) because I can still easily distinguish bass notes and there's no slop to the bass when corner placed. It's just a lot louder when placed in the corners. Either way, things still sound great- Jeff

How bout a Mac 2100? It's a 2105 minus the meters and it sells for lots less than the 05.

The last corner. . .across from the "door" corner. Yes, I should have mentioned that this corner isn't "really" a corner since the closet and entrance door make up the corner.

the opposite corner

Finally!

Who- My bad with the pic thing, I've attached a pic to this post, i hope it works. I don't think I'll be able to add any acoustic treatments, other than what's there. I'm sure the hardwood floors aren't helping, but I do have a nice heavy loveseat and sofa. My windows aren't treated heavily either, which I'm guessing isn't good. The only other treatment I would do is maybe a rug. Anyways, thanks for your input, you're a cool guy. Your suggestion about about the 1/3 rule is about where where the subs are now. Damn, I hope this picture uploads properly. When I have the subs in the corners, LaScala and a sub basically swap positions. If this one loads, I'll attach 3 more pics to show you all areas of the room. Thanks again for the help.

Who, <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Thanks for taking the time to take a look at my room. I attached some pics in a word file, I hope they show up. (They didn't, so I've pasted them into the message). I have the speakers along the long wall of a 20 X 13 living room. The LaScalas sound the best in the two corners theyre in now, although the one by the door spends a fair amount of time next to the door rather than in the corner. Anything along the other long wall where the couch is sounds pretty crummy. I tried the subs along the long couch wall too, with terrible results. They too definitely sound best somewhere along the same wall as the LaScalas. When I had the subs in the corners, I simply put the LaScalas where the subs now sit in the pics. Everything sounded excellent, except the bass seemed boomier. The bass didnt sound like what comes from my neighbors Celica, but it definitely was boomier than when theyre out of the corners. To be more specific, it seems like Im better able to distinguish varying bass notes with the subs out of the corners. I thought I remembered someone saying (Ear?) in the sub forum that corner loading the Ultras wasnt usually a good idea, but Im open to anything. Lastly, I did not play with that gain control knob you spoke of while the subs were in the corners. The manual did say that knob has some effect on boominess, so I can try moving the subs back to the corners and adjust the knob a bit. Thanks again for taking a look and please let me know if you see anything that I should try out. Have a great night. Jeff

Indy, We're like two little kids! Who, Thanks for the suggestion to get everything in phase, I appreciate it. What a great trick! "going all these years without much bass it might even sound "wrong" when set to a flat response..." I've been running my bass/treble controls flat since hooking up the sub and from your quote above, it sounds like I should be, right? W/O the subs, I always bumped my bass up a few dbs, but figured with the subs I would have to and set everything flat. One last one for ya Who: While fine tuning listening positions, I tried corner loading the subs and I was disappointed by how boomy the bass got. I thought I remembered Ear saying a while back that cornering a sub can cause this. I know all rooms vary, but is the boomier bass I got from the corner actually more correct than when I have them on the front wall? My ears like the tightness of the bass when the subs are along the wall, but do subs generally perform better out of corners? (Does this make sense??) Jeff

Damn, I swear those pics have been used before. Notice too how the seller is in the UK but the horns are in NJ?? Too weird for me to bid. Notice that the seller is usually the buyer in other transactions. Mostly BS items under $10. Stay away is my gut feeling too.

I know it's kinda lame to keep responding to my own post, but my system is rejuvinated!! I buzzed through some James Carr, Cookie and the Cupcakes, Little Richard, Poco, Hank Ballard, and a slew of others for about 5 hours tonight. I tried about 5 different listening locations for the subs and I think I have them dialed in. I still have the crossover cutting at what I think is 60hz (not labeled on dial) and the overall volume on the sub amp at half. It's too bad dealers don't allow potential buyers to take these subs home for a weekend. I think heritage owners would have a hard time returning them BTW, my listening room is less than ideal and I'm still tickled pink. My hardwood floors are a hassle for music and I have terrible corners. If anyone is looking to buy the ultras and wants to hear them first, you're welcome to swing by my place for a demo. I'm 20 minutes south of downtown milwaukee. Jeff

Indy, I don't even have a HT processor, so I'll have to watch some movies in stereo instead. But, I can't wait to feel some bass! I'm sure this varies from system to system because of preamp gains (is that the right term?), but how loud will this sub play? I had my sub volume at about 10:00 and I could get my music volume up to about noon. Anything louder and the 'scalas hurt my ears. Can I turn the sub amp volume up just to play around? The bass is ridiculous at 10:00 and I certainly don't want to blow them, but I wonder what they can take?? Jeff

I almost called in sick today to listen to music for the day! But, I can wait till later. . . What blows me away the most so far is how much bass I guess my la scalas really have. I really thought I'd hook the subs up and there'd be this missing part of a song that now appears on all songs. Although this IS the case with most of my rap discs, 90-95% of my music sounds similar with or without the subs on. Granted, the added bass volume is there on rock n roll, but it doesn't seem like I'm suddenly hearing a bass note that I didn't hear before. I wonder if I should cut the crossover higher? I was told a good start point with lascalas is 60hz, but maybe I'll play around with bumping it to 80hz tonight. jb, I have mine at each end of the long wall in my living room, next to each speaker. I tried the other long wall last night with poor results (same wall as my listening area). I even tried putting a sub on top of each lascala. although the bass volume appeared to increase, it was quite boomy and not what I was looking for.

I was pleasantly surprised to find that my Ultras came in today. I spent most of the evening with a couple buddies cruising through dozens of CDs and albums (Ryan Adams, Steve Miller, Miles Davis, James Brown, Blackfoot, Marshall Tucker, Dr. Dre, Outkast, Johnny Cash, Neko Case, Alice in Chains, Moby, Eagles, Otis, Pearl Jam, Ludacris, and Uncle Tupelo to name a few) to see how these twin subs matched up with my 'Scalas. The LaScalas are '84s with AA networks (sold the AL's ) and all original drivers. I played around with placement somewhat and ended up placing a sub next to each 'scala cabinet for now. I'll play with placement more tomorrow, but I'm happy with where they are. Anyways, so my impressions: First, I'm even more impressed with my LaScalas. I DON'T want to start another LaScala bass thread, but with the music I listen to I was pleasantly surprised to find that I'm very satisfied with the bass 90% of the time with the 'Scalas on their own. In many cases, I could barely tell when the sub volume was turned off (volume on sub amp not up far enough at about 10 'o clock?). I guess with all the thrashing of 'Scala bass lately, I thought I was missing tons of music without the subs. At least for me, this is not the case. Second, these Ultras freakin' rule!!! For the 10% of music that I really noticed the difference, the difference was HUGE! I haven't even watched a movie yet and I can't believe the low end on these things. I've never heard my walls shake until tonight. BTW, crossover is set at appx. 60 and sub volume is at about 10 o' clock. Especially with bass heavy rap and electronic music, these subs are simply outta this world. I have to get some sleep now, but I'll play around more with placement tomorrow. Overall, I'm very happy that the subs don't overpower the system. My goal was to make up for what was missing, not exaggerate what's already there. If anyone has setup suggestions, I'm all ears. Now, I can't wait for the Cornwall III's to arrive! Jeff

Sorry to hijack, but this is a really interesting topic. I have a sony CRT HDTV. I only have one HDMI hookup on the back of my TV. I currently use it for my DVD player. Is there a splitter available so I can run one to my cable box (HD converter) and one to my DVD player? Right now I have component to my Cable box. Any options that I'm not thinking of to have a digital signal from both the DVD player and cable box? Jeff

I'm getting WAY too excited about the arrival of my Klipsch Ultras in a couple weeks and am already thinking about placement. I know I'll be moving them around for a while until I find the best area, but I'd like to narrow the list of placement options. I have my LaScalas tucked into the long wall corners of a 13' X 20' living room. I've moved them several times and this placement gives me the best sound, IMO. Would a good starting point for the subs be one next to each LaScala? It seems logical to me, but I'm completely new to subs. Is there a "rule" against placing a sub next to mains? I absolutely can't wait for these subs!! Jeff

Hey fellas, Interesting topic. I've been toying with "possibly" selling my LaScalas. I want to see how the Ultra subs pan out though first. Anyways, I have the original boxes for the 'Scalas. If I ship them, should I double box or foam wrap the outside of the box, or just put them on pallets in the original boxes and strap them down? Anyone have experiences with original boxes and how they hold up when pallets are used? (I saw the pics of the RF boxes, but I think they were shipped un-palleted.) Jeff

"AK=Khorn, AL=LaScala, AB=Belle." I didn't know that ! I love this place- Jeff

I'm nearly in agreement here with what's been said, with one exception. I think the AL network sounds terrible. The ALs almost made me sell my LaScalas until a great board member sold me some AA's reasonably cheap. The difference IMO, is night and day and I'm not one to hear the subtle differences in wire, cables, etc that others hear. If I came across mid 80's K-horns with ALs, I'd obviously still buy them, but would figure in a network change. Again, just MHO. Jeff