JL Sargent

Hmmm, that sounds good. I'm gonna investigate that. Maybe I'm smart enough to figure out where that is........ Reading up on horns and it appears this one might be better for me. Reported with minimum crossover at 500hz. http://www.jblpro.com/pub/components/2380a.pdf

Thanks for that link. Heck, they recommend crossing into it at 1000hz yet low usable freq 550.[*-)] On the active crossover I can go down to sub 400 before it starts to sound different to my ears. I've got to get me a mini-analyzer or similar. Ill have to think the horn over. I really like the way it sounds but what do I know? I'm gonna listen tonight crossing into it at 1000. Michael, thanks for noticing my avatar. Thats my son (audio lab assistant) Auston. We have a big time of it.

They look like brass to me.

Hey Mike, as dad would say "looks like something you put together from the midnight autoparts" Absolutely, the 45 Set should sound great with the high eff. Corns. Im running my little Maggie 5wattish SET into the top half of an active 2 way. Sounds fantastic.

Yeah, really like Tommy. But Monte is just downright freaky good. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31QQ1gNpAaY

Anybody not familiar with Bob should check out this article on Wiki. Specifically about the AMP challange where he kicked some serious booty. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Carver

Let me put it this way: The Partridge Family sounded like a stoned Bob Dylan.[N]

Playing time may have contributed to the decline in those cassettes certainly. Talk about revisiting the past: I tried to play a bunch of old 8 tracks a couple of years back. Wow, talk about degradation! Could't make out the music they were so bad. Threw that out too. I thought reviving my tape deck for audio books, but nah. Im sure you've thought of this but I would give that deck a good head cleaning too. It sounds like your well on your way to getting that $59 back in listening and having fun. LPS fit in the slot no problem. Simply fold them like a trifold wallet. []

I did a similar thing recently. I have a Nakamichi R3? tape deck and until the other day I had approx. 100 tapes I had made on various grades of cassettes made by TDK, some metal, some not. All made from purchased LPs which I still have. Lots of hours tied up in making those in the late 70s and early 80s. Every single one of them has lost a little something. Freq. range not where it was, noise added, etc. I ended up tossing the works. Glad your experience has been better.

These crossovers feature Linkwitz-Riley 24db per octave filters. So should the upper sides be in phase or 180 out based on that?

Seti on the NAD: Its one of those under appreciated amplifiers and therefore still reasonably priced used. I have gone through/traded several amps over the years. Can't seen to let go of this one. Really like the sound as you pointed out. Michael, The Behringer's 24db per octave is not adjustable. Altering the slope would be a cool feature though. I'm guessing the sharpe slope helps with crossover determination however. Not much overlap there. In the avatar, thats my son deciding what sounds good and what doesn't. Everybody needs a second opinion and he freely gives his.[8-)] Thanks for the kind comments gentlemen.

Yeah Bruce, that is a little Maggie. Love that little amp. Wish I had another. Then I would try running top and bottom with em. Its interesting how little power those horns need to blow a persons head off! The cabs: The previous owner had the horns built in them. When I received them both horns had torn out of the cabs (way too heavy). I replaced the broken motor boards, then flipped the enclosure. For good deep bass those woofers needed all the available space.

Boy, where is everybody tonight? I guess they've all gone out. You forgot to ask what a SET is. Since the pros haven't answered I can tell you this much. A push pull has two output tubes per channel. A single ended amp only has one. These two different types of tube amps sound different. Also, some tube amps can switch between these two modes of operation. There are also hydbrid amps which have some tube and some solid state circuits. SET = single ended triode.

In summary the Behringer units are not expensive yet seemed quiet and affective as an active crossover. I have been able to play with gain and crossover points to find where I liked them which will hopefully help me make passives to the same listening characteristics. Any recommendations about this project welcomed.

I have gained so much info from this forum I thought I would share this active crossover, my setup, and my findings. I purchased the Behringer crossovers from "SWL" here a few weeks back and just now got it all hooked up. I had no XLR cables so I bought ends and made up several for this project. I wanted to try active crossovers and purchased 2 cabs which were destroyed in shipping (both horns out of mounts). I carefully calculated the volume w/ ports for my woofers from the web sites linked to by members here. I then rebuilt the cabs as woofer enclosures only. Running in 2 way stereo I have the top horns running off the little stereo 5 watt single ended triode amp. Bottom woofers on NAD transistor 30w per(late 70s maybe) Im also using the Nads preamp to feed the active crossover. The horns are 16ohm JBL 2441s 2" drivers/Community horns with a sensitivity of 111db and 8ohm Eminence 15" woofers at 101db sensitivity. So I knew the woofer was 10db behind out the gate. I started out with everything at 0db with no gain added or subtracted on any channel. I had both crossovers at 500hz. The crossover slopes are 24db per octave so I didnt know if to reverse the horns or not, so I did both. What fun it was to start playing with crossovers, gain, phase, and time (I just physically moved the speakers) until I got what I thought was the most out of it. What did I get: Truely awesome sound. Only with the volume wide open and my ear in the horns did I get any noticeable noise. I played with it all for quite a while and settled on woofers +4db, Horns -4db, horns in phase, crossovers at 475. The interesting this about all this to me how hard I had to work to make it sound bad. Taking the crossovers down to 100ish would do it. Or going way too high with it. Flipping the horns in and out of phase didn't make a whole lot of diffference just quieter out of phase (to my ears anyway)

Yeah, I think Noel Lee probably can afford it, but I wonder with it being a TV show do the guys getting the custom jobs even pay anything for them?

Since I started this thread I have been really trying to keep my ears protected. Literally no loud noises for me. If in doubt I wear earplugs. I worked on a pair of speaker cabs and used the table saw. I found the ear protection. Told me son, "no screaming and hollaring in the house" Amazingly the tinnitus has reduced a significant amount. Its not totally gone but its much better overall. On a scale of 1 to 10 I have reached about 7. Right now Im back down to around 2. Its really surprising how much LOUD stuff I do day to day. Next time I have a flareup I will try the noisy radio. That would probably work for me. When laying in bed if I hear the heaters fan turn on I know its time to fall off to sleep.

Great. I'm gonna setup and play with em on actives first. Then I thought I might build a pair of 2 way crossovers if all goes well.

This is the horn I have. It's well made of fiberglass. Recon it can do 500?

"squonky" That not good. Im planning on crossing my 2441s at 500hz like you previously recommended Fritz. I keep seeing horns though that apparently can go 300ish. Always trying to learn something. Thanks guys. Coytee, where are you crossing your Jubes with the actives?

Seems everybody is always wanting to go lower into the midhorn. Seems every 15" woofer out there can do 1Khz+ no problem. Yet we want to get out of it and into the horn ASAP. IE: the 400hz into the K400 horn. Is it the sound preference of horn over K33 or is there other stuff I'm anxiously waiting to learn about?

Maybe Parts Express has 1.4" horns? I think you should make em work. Probably a far superior driver to the K55. I've been comparing a pair of JBL 2441s (2" driver w 4" voice coils) I have to K55s and and a pair of Atlas siren horns. Siren and K55 near equal in sound quality. The 2441s put the singers in the room with you. I suggest going with the bigger drivers when you can.

Thanks so much.

So I could swamp the horn with a 16 ohm? resistor and then treat that driver at an 8 ohm load on my crossover and enjoy the benefits of a more level impedance and less noise?

Looking at that graph seems you could cross that driver/horn at 500hz with a Khorn or other suitable bass bin going two way and be in pretty good shape without a tweeter. Other than the two camels backs the impedance seems pretty steady to my untrained eye. I would say the average impedance on that combo closer to 8 than 16 ohms though. It spends alot of time below 10 ohms. Maybe Im seeing it wrong. It looks like it should be treated as a 8 ohm speaker on the crossover circuit. What am I missing?