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1986. I had a high school buddy who's Dad had Khorns driven by Rotel Amps. The room was about 25'x60' (huge). The music was the Moody Blues. I was already into audio, but knew that night that I would own a pair one day! Then, I was age 16. At age 53, I finally had the place for them.
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I used LaScala in an LCR setup for my theater room for years. An opportunity for Khorns popped up and I jumped, maybe too quickly...
I immediately recognized the advantages of them digging into the base region deeper. I expected that. However, I did not expect increased clarity and detail. Considering the top hat uses the same drivers, I assumed I wouldn't hear a change, but I did. I also noticed a difference in dynamics. The best way I can describe it is that with the rooms walls being used as the last fold in the horn, the Khorns dynamics grabbed the room differently. It's like I could sense that the room was more involved with dynamic passages.
Another thing I didn't anticipate was imaging struggles. With my Khorns being the older variety, they must be tight in the corner. In doing this, the axis crossed about 7' in front of my listening position. My room is 18' wide x 30' deep, Speakers on the short wall. For the first year, this bothered me enough that I would have considered going back to LS. However, since my speakers aren't seen, I was able to twist the top portion of the Khorn to a different angle than the base bin. I found the right spot and am now very happy. This "twist" is not shown in the picture.
In your room, you will likely appreciate the improvements if you sit close to 12' from the speakers spaced 12' apart. Too much outside of that window and you may loose full advantage of soundstage and imaging.
I usually make money when buying and selling vintage Heritage speakers. With that in mind, I would buy the Khorns and find out for myself.
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Most of my listening is from the laptop via blutooth! It may be the worst possible path, but I've compared side by side with CD and "if" I hear a difference, it isn't worth the expense of a nice DAC. I hope to be proven wrong someday by experiencing the difference. Until then, I'm happy as a clam.
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A few comments. I used LaScalas for surrounds at one point and found they didn't offer anything that Heresies weren't already doing in that role. So, I believe that smaller surrounds are perfectly fine. Not tiny though. I used some 6.5" in walls at one point and it was NOT good. I recently switched all of my surrounds and overhead atmos to the JBL 8330a pro cinema surrounds. This is the best performance I've had out of surrounds. Timbre matching hasn't been a concern at all. They don't fit your criteria, but I make the comment for a reference point.
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@bobdog our rooms have a lot in common. I use Khorns and 2 DTS10's as well. It took me 10 years of fiddling to get what I wanted out of them. Been happy since and don't expect I will ever change.
Your install looks good!
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I enjoy having other brands too. I have 5-6 pairs now and I hope to have a larger collection at some point.
Each speaker has a different attitude and suits a different mood. If I'm wanting to sit alone in the dark, in a small room with a glass of wine and some softer, delicate music, the Infinity Kappa 6 are my preference. If I'm in a spunky mood and having whiskey with a game of pool and blues, the Heresy are my taste. If I want to throw in a concert bluray and feel like I'm in a stadium with a cold beer, Khorns!!!
I'll let you all know what drink goes with the Polks.... LOL
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In case you hadn't seen this, I've enjoyed it several times. He hits the nail on the head!
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Congrats! You got a fantastic buy by today's market! Most would have paid $2k for those. I don't need a pair and couldn't walk from those for even $1500. I'd buy a set to have in storage for that price.
I used LaScala for a decade before moving to Khorns. If you run a subwoofer with those, you aren't missing much from the Khorns.
Wonderful to hear your wife's impression. My wife had the same...and had the same again when I changed to Khorn. Nice to have their approval.
I wouldn't be afraid to change the caps. I used JEM. Pull the entire crossover out. Break it apart and clean all connections well. I used a little sandpaper on all connections and then Qtip with alcohol. Sand all the spade connectors too. Honestly, I didn't hear any difference with the caps and cleaning...but I feel better about it.
I would enjoy hearing ongoing impressions and experiences!
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I'm running a pair of Danley subs along with Khorns and LaScala. They seem matched very well to me. Enough that I haven't changed in 12 years so far... Understandable that they are difficult to fit in the decor without hiding them.
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I've been using the Dayton HTA100 for about 2 years now, with a pair of Heresy 1's. I feed it through the BT on my laptop. There can't be a single complaint at this price. Heresys sound great! I did hook them up to a better amp (SS) and heard the difference, but...come on...it's usually $160 on Black Friday. For that, decent amp with phono input, sub out and bluetooth. Wow!
The fit, finish and feel are better than expected too.
I want to try the HTA200...that adds a few things, including twice the power and a remote. BTW, no remote has been a non-issue, as the laptop does it.
I believe you'd have to spend 10 times the money to appreciate it.
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Some great stuff here lately! Thanks everyone!
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Feeling this one tonight!
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I installed all 4 of mine in about 5 hours time, and I'm not a pro. If I had to pay, anything over $500 would seem too high for my taste. Of course, there is also the liability of cutting into someones drywall and having to fix a mistake. That risk alone wouldn't be worth it. Maybe $1k is fair...
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I just needed one myself. I had a few that worked in my "jar". Almost certain you could go to a hardware store and match up one pretty easy.
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I use Heresy I's in a 28x18 room with a small sub and they fill it up pretty nice. I use Khorns in a 30x18 room and they are obviously more capable...but I still love what the Heresies do for what they are. 90% of the time, they are enough.
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I'm not sure of optimal positioning. I have read that Dolby no longer recommends anything but single pole speakers.
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Well...you can't get a better match than Heresy...but that isn't an option. I use RS62II for my sides with all Heritage elsewhere. I have never noticed them as a problem when it comes to matching. That said, I'm going to temporarily put in a second pair of Heresy in that roll and maybe find I didn't know what I was missing? If so...I'll have to get real creative to fit them in.
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In my experience, having lots of horsepower in the rear didn't make much difference...if any at all. I had Khorns front with LaScala rear and found that I just as well use my Heresy in the rear. My point, is don't feel like you have "less than" in the rear.
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Suggestions will depend on expectations.
My room is 30'x18x9'. LaScalas minimum.
For bass, it will take serious firepower with multiple subs.
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1 minute ago, OO1 said:
you're missing out on the quality sound of the Heresy 1 being so far away on shelves , Heresy speakers with the K-55V and K-77 Alnico V are studio monitor grade speakers that are best listened to at ear level and literally in your face sound , and only a few apart to hear the exceptional details of the vocals .
Agree, but the purpose of this setup isn't critical listening. My Khorns are setup in a well treated space. This is meant as nothing more than a bar room type sound, and that they do well! Nothing like some Waylon Jennings on Heresies, a glass of whiskey and a game of pool!
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28 minutes ago, Marvel said:
That looks better... I would have put two 1x3 on each wall and a triangle cut shelf on top. That way nothing hangs over unsupported. Put single 1x3 trim across the front and you're done. Easier than doing the brackets.
That is what I did. You can't see the "ledger" boards, but the entire contact with the walls is sitting on a ledger, screwed into studs. I imagine I could stand on these shelves.
Yes, I do believe the cabinets came out nice.
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@Peter P.you shamed me into it...but it needed to be done. Shelves are reworked now. I built some brackets, screwed into studs. And of all things, used a level! Hahaha
Rope is gone!
Painted the slant risers black and screwed through from the bottom of the shelf. Nothing will vibrate off.
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Picked up the Howards Beeswax today. First coat on and I'm impressed. Will let dry overnight and do a few coats over the next few days.
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Hahaha....got it!
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Advice for buying used Heritage speakers
in Klipsch Pro Audio
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In a setting where I am trying to have conversation with background music, I prefer more speakers at a lower volume. This avoids loud spots in the room. I would prefer 3 pairs of Heresy (with sub) to one pair of Khorns. Unless you bar is setup to feature music? I own Khorn, LS and Heresy. I use Heresy in a 20x30' gameroom. They do a fantastic job! I've tried other speakers in there and none cut through the room like horns.