Terry N. Cruse

---------------- On 4/20/2003 9:30:17 PM CaptnBob wrote: I had the priviledge of attending one of PWK's speaker seminars a few years after I purchased my Cornwalls. I asked him why my speakers had the horns mounted vertically and the newer ones had them horizontally. He replied that the original concept was to have the horns in the corner of the cabinet so that, no matter how the cabinets were oriented, you could have the tweeters and squawkers as high as possible. Then he noticed that very few people were setting the Cornwalls on their sides (vertical is "preferred" in their literature of the time) so he decided to put the horns in the middle and turn them 90 degrees. This way, he said the speaker could be used either in pairs or as a single center channel. More to the point, he would no longer have to keep left and right pairs together through construction, shipping and sales. As for the difference in dispersion, quoth PWK "There's not a dime's worth of difference." He added that, the bigger horns did have to go with the long axis horizontal, but the smaller ones could go either way. ---------------- Thanks Bob, I assume that some of my assumptions were and are correct. Was PWK also trying to keep the ports on the floor? Regards, Slammin tc

---------------- On 4/18/2003 12:02:56 PM triceratops wrote: On 4/13/2003 8:37:04 PM Terry N. Cruse wrote: ...I was not aware that the vert horn placement had been designed to do anything other than lay on their sides...I am skeptical. Does anyone else have factory units with vert horns and risers on the short side?...I thought that I had seen them all. The CW with vert horns were designed to be placed long side down, making the horns horizontal. Anyone? Andy? Terry- I am not an authority on this one, but I think the vast majority of Cornwalls with vertical horns that also have risers have those risers mounted on the short side. The long side risers are more the exception and are very rare. It was felt that with Cornwalls, the horns have better dispersion characteristics when mounted vertically. This required the cabinets to be manufactured in two configurations and to ship and sell matched pairs together. This added to the cost of the Cornwalls and became an option in the 1960's rather than standard and later was discontinued entirely. As I understand it, when the vertical horns were an option, the Cornwall II was not meant to represent a "2" but was a diagramatic illustration of the side-by-side vertically mounted horns. These Cornwalls are especially sought after by Klipsch enthusiasts, who usually position them with the horns mounted vertically. You can also position these on their sides because it doesn't place the horns too low (as it does on the horizontal cabinets). The vertical horn configuration was not done on the larger Klipsch speakers at the time due size and shape constraints, but they fit pretty neatly into the Cornwall format. Best in horns, Triceratops ---------------- Trice, You have some valid points. There must be Cornwall historians out there, and I hope that they will clarify this "chicken and egg" confusion. I am not an authority etherand this reply is not to argue points of order, but to voice assumptions that I made in 1972 and still assume today. Artto's price sheet rang a few bells. The first CW that I saw in the mid to late 60's was used as a center channel between two cornerhorns in a Klipsch catalog. I think that I remember(?)the horns being horz with ports on the floor in related photos. In '72 I ordered unfinished CW's in "preferred" vertical position.(see price sheet) I assumed that the preferred position related to ports on the floor with horz horns. The only drawings depecting vert horns show the long side of the box down, making the horns horz. See where I am going? My CW's were shipped, I opened the boxes and discovered that the horns were placed vert to the long side of the box. I had ordered the other mod #, assumed that a mistake had been made, but they sounded great so I kept them. If PWK thought that horns had better dispersion in the vertical alignment, and was limited by box size, why are Mod-H and LaS horns mounted horz. There is room in both. Addressing production. The only changes or costs of matched vert horns would be to cut mirror image motor boards. Everything else is the same. If I'm out of line, let me know guys. Thanks, tc

---------------- On 4/18/2003 7:06:08 PM jt1stcav wrote: Great looking youngsters you have there, Jim. I sure hope they develope a loyalty to Klipschhorns and other Klipsch loudspeakers when they grow up and move on in their own lives! ---------------- Cute Kids....loyalty to Klipsch is no problem... Mine are already fighting over ownership when I'm gone.... If they like Bose....Well, you just have to beat them.

---------------- On 4/18/2003 8:09:45 PM m00n wrote: Scooter, How long have you been using AutoCAD? I was in college for a while for drafting until I made the switch to software engineering... I really miss drafting and using AutoCAD. Trying to get my hands on AutoCAD again. ---------------- Moon, Check out Design CAD 3D 2002. Much more forgiving with 3D layers. tc

Congrats new brother in SLAM! Next step? Look for two more! Thirty one years of "Boot in the Chest" Cornwall. Try not to hurt yourself that first night. There is plenty more where that came from. I.B. Slammin tc

---------------- On 4/17/2003 10:41:04 PM Clipped and Shorn wrote: Terry. It sure seems like my Cornwalls were greatly improved by 1) caulking the woofer frames, 2) partial caulking of horns. and 3) placing Cornwalls on solid stone surface instead of carpeting. My reveiw was serious, I could swear they sounded dramatically improved. I am now wondering if a bit more caulking on the horns would have added further to their accuracy. It is a bit too much trouble at the moment to pull them back out and try this, but I still might do it at some point. My conclusion at the time of caulking (a few weeks ago) was to only partially caulk the horns. Most of the Altecies I have communicated with are of the belief that you cannot make an Altec 511B horn too dead, so maybe this also applies to the Klipsch horn. If I was doing it again now, I probably would have just gone ahead and completely cauked the horn, but probably not the tweeter because that does not make sense to me. Do you remember seeing a pic here of someone's Cornwalls with everything completely caulked,even the tweet, who was that and did he say he liked it?? C&S ---------------- I'm going to go for it. Couldnt be too hard to reverse. I saw that CW photo as well but cant remember who posted it. I will hit the basket and mid horn with a heavy layer. Will leave the tweet alone. Just doesnt seem like enough area there to cause ringing. thanks, tc

PS: I am also concerned about "dead" sounding horns. Too much calk perhaps? tc

Gentlemen Please. I am breaking down the '75 C-WOs this weekend for refinishing, new Xovers and bracing. To calk or not to calk. This is starting to sound like a "wire" discussion. No Slam this weekend. tc

---------------- On 4/14/2003 7:56:45 PM Allan Songer wrote: I can make as many as we might need. I can cast them in black resin and then let you guys finish them any way you want. I'd prefer an "original" because any 2nd generation casting will NOT be as good--BELIEVE me! So if ANYONE out these has a loose original pie-slice, please give it up for the cause--it WILL be returned ASAP. They will be FREE to anyone who signs up in advance. I would like to make a specific number and then shut the project down. Lets say I'll make 25 pairs for free, limit two pairs per member. I'll even mail them for FREE! I'll take names only when I get an original here to make the mold. ---------------- Allan, There were so many posts that I couldnt make it through them. If you still need an orginal Pie to use in making the mold, let me know and I will mail one to you. Terry

---------------- On 4/12/2003 11:33:40 PM HDBRbuilder wrote: I hate to inform you of this Terry...but southwest AR is NOT flatland...it is rolling river bottomland...with the exception of the extreme southwest few square miles immediately adjacent to the Red River....the true flatland is in eastern AR. ---------------- Andy, Just trying to get a rise out of you. I visited the factory in 1974 or 1975. I can't remember exactly. What I do remember is how gracious Mr. Klipsch was to a country boy groupie and the feeling of family that I felt between he and the staff. Your time there must have been wonderful. Terry

Mark, They are 72' decorators and Cornwall Ones with flush panel motor boards. I sold them to a friend in '73 or '74 and he added a 3/4" strip to the front edge and veneer so they are different than yours. The only CWs that I have seen with grill cloth used velcro. Ask Andy horn builder, he will know. Although I think PWK tested fabric for acoustic transparency mine sound better with the grills off. Good Luck, Terry

---------------- On 4/15/2003 9:09:57 AM ShapeShifter wrote: Adding some weight to the inverted Cornwall should increase the bass response a bit more. However, with a thunderous four Cornwall front...it would be hard to detect that less bit. ---------------- Shifter, Good idea, but it would have to be lead. I have only about 2 feet from the top to the ceiling.I have considered screw jacks from ceiling to top of CW! But then I would have to consider divorce as well.After 30 years my wife still cringes when she walks by. Again, I think the best place for a port is coupled to the floor. Slammin a little too tall. tc

---------------- On 4/14/2003 10:18:06 PM jt1stcav wrote: What a topsy-turvy world TNC lives in! How's this arrangment sound? ---------------- Jim, My favorite description of bottom end in four CWs is "A boot in the Chest." Bolt down everything in the room! But honestly,I think this arrangment has faults. I think that if the four horns were in the same direction and on the same axis, that the mids & top end would be tighter and cleaner. I also believe that the ports should be coupled to the floor. Agree? Don't get me wrong,they are very explosive, but could be alot better. I once bolted the ports together as a center channel with good results. Regards, Terry

---------------- On 4/12/2003 10:52:20 PM jt1stcav wrote: Looked like what? Hell, I get all warm an' fuzzy inside just lookin' at my CW's, and they ain't no decorator models neither! ---------------- Look like the CWs Synthfreek posted on 4/1/03 TC

---------------- On 4/14/2003 3:41:37 PM Good2BHome wrote: Can you share the Serial number of the vertical Cornwall? Respectfully, mike ---------------- Mike, They were decorator Mods and were veneered by the friend that I sold them too in 1974 so that I could buy the 1975 C W-O in 1975. I bought them back in 1998. # 2L811 & 2L812. Mod C-DR 15 Why do you ask? Slammin 30 years Terry

A little closer. Terry

Something for the files. I.B. Slammin

---------------- On 4/13/2003 8:34:07 PM Terry N. Cruse wrote: ---------------- On 4/12/2003 9:04:00 PM edster00 wrote: My '73 Cornwalls (3L092 & 093) have the Cornwall label, not the Cornwall II label. They have the riser bases on the short side which indicates they were built to have the cabinets and the horns sit vertically. Mine do have the 2nd label on the back showing they can be placed with the cabinets vertically or horizontally. Seems to me original Cornwall II label was replaced sometime between '71 and '73. ---------------- I was not aware that the vert horn placement had been designed to do anything other than lay on their sides. Long side on the floor, ports against the wall. If risers were shipped on the short side, then the vert horn mods were designed to go both ways. My '72's were decorator, so there was no indication (by riser location)of what was what. Why would Klipsch offer the option? Would he allow the horn placement(vert/horz) to be the choice of the buyer? I am skeptical. Does anyone else have factory units with vert horns and risers on the short side? Always felt as though the ports should be coupled to the floor, but that he designed the horn placement always to be horizontal.( vert horn mods being long side of the box on the floor.) I thought that I had seen them all. The CW with vert horns were designed to be placed long side down, making the horns horizontal. Anyone? Andy? Slammin Sideways ---------------- Correction: They are 1972 mods.

---------------- On 4/12/2003 9:04:00 PM edster00 wrote: My '73 Cornwalls (3L092 & 093) have the Cornwall label, not the Cornwall II label. They have the riser bases on the short side which indicates they were built to have the cabinets and the horns sit vertically. Mine do have the 2nd label on the back showing they can be placed with the cabinets vertically or horizontally. Seems to me original Cornwall II label was replaced sometime between '71 and '73. ---------------- I was not aware that the vert horn placement had been designed to do anything other than lay on their sides. Long side on the floor, ports against the wall. If risers were shipped on the short side, then the vert horn mods were designed to go both ways. My '72's were decorator, so there was no indication (by riser location)of what was what. Why would Klipsch offer the option? Would he allow the horn placement(vert/horz) to be the choice of the buyer? I am skeptical. Does anyone else have factory units with vert horns and risers on the short side? Always felt as though the ports should be coupled to the floor, but that he designed the horn placement always to be horizontal.( vert horn mods being long side of the box on the floor.) I thought that I had seen them all. The CW with vert horns were designed to be placed long side down, making the horns horizontal. Anyone? Andy? Slammin Sideways

---------------- On 4/1/2003 11:17:37 PM synthfreek wrote: This is truly beautiful! http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/synthfreek/cornwall.jpg" border=0> ---------------- If my CWs looked liked that, I wouldnt need VIAGRA! Limply Slammin

PS: Glad Andy is up here with us mountain boys now. I.B. Slammin

---------------- On 4/12/2003 3:48:28 PM jt1stcav wrote: I knew Andy would be able to identify her. Vicki Mounce inspected my C-BR's (Mr. Bradford tested them). Sorry about the "hick" comment...that was a noble gesture for PWK to allow his employees extra time off to get some exercising in! You are a very fortunant man to have been employed at a time in Klipsch's history when PWK was still very much in charge of everyday operations and production. To see that great man in action, to hear his wit and wisdom, and to be part of his dream in creating the best horn loudspeakers the world has ever seen (and heard)...what an honor! You are truely blessed! ---------------- "beautiful southwest Arkansas"???? Must have been written by Helen Keller. Southwest Arkansas people are hicks and flatlanders. On the other hand, we northwest Arkansas boys done been "sophisticates" Slammin in NWA

---------------- On 4/12/2003 1:18:17 PM Jim Cornell wrote: Wes Im not to sure on these, they are missing the old cornwall 2 labels! Or maybe im wrong, its all good Regards Jim ooking again, i agree they are vertical, nice job Wes ---------------- My '73 Vert CWs are not labeled CW2. I ordered them from the factory so I know they are the real deal. CW & CW2 labels? Just like girls in 1973. Some do and some don't. I.B. Slammin

Gil, I use little Tommy Holmans preamp built in the late 70s for APT corp. (I think he was still in school at the time..Cambridge I think) Paid $550 for it as I recall. An ugly black trim-line little box. Very "plain Jane" but beautiful, dumped into the old Luxmans.One can see the roots of surround in this 2channel preamp. There is a wounderful bench guy here in north west AR. ...A few mods .... Anyway...The "H" in THX is HOLMAN. I.B.Slammin

---------------- On 3/31/2003 9:38:20 PM JCturboT wrote: Moon, Don't know if you been asked this yet-what is your music preferrence? Jeff ---------------- Jeff, I hate to think that source material preferrence is a factor, but you have a good point. Having owned CWs from 1973, I do have a good feel for the sound. In earlier days I sported Khorns flank, 2LaS center, 2LaS back.In those days, that system was considered "big time audio". So back to personal preferrence. I now use 4 CWs and 4 Mod-H. God help me, I am addicted to the "boot in the chest" of the CW. I spoke to a Klipsch engineer about 4CWs vs 2 Cornerhornes and his reply was "no comparison". I took that as a positive comment. Am I addicted to bass reflex distortion? Some here will say yes. Back to the Bell. It is a furniture grade, cut down LaS. A lesser speaker than LaS. The top end and 400 mid sound wonderfully clean in the LaS.(Opps a little less in Bell)...But the bottom end of Bells & LaS make the overall sound "hollow" to my ear. Yep, they are quick...But they just dont get down there. VERY FORWARD. (great projection in a theater) But just dont get down there. Having said all this...I am opening myself up to ridicule with this statement...Properly amplified, 4CWs will stomp the guts out of any 2 cornerhorns. Anyone? CW people help me out! Back to the point. Cornwalls being voiced like Pauls cornerhorn...If you like the horn sound...for two channels,Cornwall is the only Klipsch product that I would accept if I couldnt have the cornerhorns. Choose between 2Khorns and 4 CWs....Well........ I.B. Slammin