Kain Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 This is a question for TheEAR or anyone with some subwoofer knowledge. Is the f113 worth the extra money over the RT-12d? How do these two subwoofers compare for music and home theater? How low can both subwoofers go while maintaining strong output? How are the overall output capabilities of both subwoofers? How does the sound quality of both subwoofers rank among each other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holtrp Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Good thread. I am looking at both of these subs and would love to hear some more input from owners. A shop in my area has the 13 but it wasn't hooked up last time I was there. I did hear the f112 though and it is truely an amazing sub. I got to listen to 'Country Grammar' with the mains shut off and just the sub playing. It wasn't in the corner, just along the wall and the guy said he hadn't calibrated it. The JL's are amazing. I am still trying to demo the RT-12d, I only heard it once but didn't have any good source material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Trey Cannon Posted February 4, 2009 Klipsch Employees Share Posted February 4, 2009 Here you go Notice the RT-12 is more flat for more bandwidth. The others go lower below 20Hz, but the RT has more output from 20 - 30 HZ These are all measured in 1/8th space. (in a corner) velo rt12 jl fathom.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m54 Posted February 4, 2009 Share Posted February 4, 2009 yessir. that's the plot I asked for ... now you know why, homeslice ;-) .... it's called 'optimally flat' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Trey Cannon Posted February 6, 2009 Klipsch Employees Share Posted February 6, 2009 Remember that cruves do not speak to how something sounds. The JL (to me) flopped around like a sail boat in rough seas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m54 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 this is not really fair but, I thought it was still relevant due to some of the prices people are wiling to pay for flat extended bass... This is the latest version of my RT12d + RSW15 combo. no mods to either product... One thing I did since the last round was balance the output from the two, so each works less hard. ARC is active for both, obviously... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Casto Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Go for the JL Fathom 113. It blows the rt12d out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Trey Cannon Posted March 27, 2009 Klipsch Employees Share Posted March 27, 2009 Go for the JL Fathom 113. It blows the rt12d out! Can you tell us how you came to this statement? Looking at the curves thats not true. Listening to each in an A/B test, that's not true. The last curves posted is a corrected room responce. Yes the output is less once corrected, but look at the curve. Its text book flat. The RT12 has corrected for the room allowing for a better sounding system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Casto Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 I havehad both and just one movie will tell you all you need to know. WOTW for example. PS I own the complete rf-83 system and and extra set of surrounds. Not a flame thrower here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael hurd Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 The F113 uses a sliding high pass filter, IE when the volume gets up there, you lose down around 20 hz, the F3 keeps moving up. Reference the test here, and tests of other subwoofers. http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/subwoofer-tests/8152-jl-audio-fathom-f113-new.html http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/subwoofer-tests/6015-index-subwoofer-tests-manufacturer-model.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Casto Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 How come noone is running out to buy this rt12d sub to add to their HT? i DEMO'D the klipsh and the JL killed it period! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael hurd Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 I have heard the RT-12D and it is killer. I have heard a lot of reports on the JL as being 'killer' but at the end of the day when you measure it, it's not all it's cracked up to be. This is coming from someone who owns this: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted March 27, 2009 Share Posted March 27, 2009 Is a JL f113 worth more than the RT-12d? YES it is. If you value maximum sound and built quality YES IT IS. Claiming the contrary is worthy of a good laugh. I have the whole Klipsch RSW and RT line of subs and the Fathom is a class above. For HT the Klipsch is a better value(output per $),for music the Fathom will dig deeper and goe toe to toe with the very finest subs using TC Sounds drivers(I have 14 subs using TC Sounds drivers now). Only the LMS-Ultra/5400 or Acoupower sealed subs do slightly better SW wise. [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 This is comming from someone who has so many subs ...cannot move and has to use forklifts to access behind the subs to clean. [] [] [8-|] [:'(] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kain Posted March 28, 2009 Author Share Posted March 28, 2009 TheEAR! Where have you been all this time? [] I have another question for you. What do you think about the HSU ULS-15 vs. the SVS PC/PB13-Ultra? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted March 28, 2009 Share Posted March 28, 2009 Where was I ? Good question. Selling flour. Gambling and injecting myself with liquids that make believe the world economy is based on honesty and proper banking...done by bright people and not fraudulent scum. ULS-15 or PB13-Ultra? Output wise the Ultra,SQ wise both are damn close(outstanding SQ). Boils down to size you want,can live with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipsch Employees Trey Cannon Posted March 29, 2009 Klipsch Employees Share Posted March 29, 2009 All I can say is if the Ear is right then we (Klipsch) must have gotten a bad one. The JL sub was built well. The amp was laid out nice. Even the wires were dressed like you see in other car audio installs. (well all but the AC power wires which ran under and touching the sharp edge of a metal heatsink.) When placing a strobe light on the woofer while under test, you can see the cone "flop around". I think it has something to do with the foam sorround. I didnot run the test on the unit, one of the other engineers did. He likes LF as well. He must to have 2 KP-682's and a RT-12 +2 RSW-12's. I trust his test. They were ran outside in our 1/8 space test location. I would offer to test it again, but I don't want to lift the 300lb sub. So at this point I will say the ear and others must be able to test subs better than the Klipsch eng team and have proven their point. For me, its a lot like the fancy power cords and the rocks in a jar that make your speakers sound better, I just don't understand it. I am just a simple country boy from LA. ( that's lower Arkansas for you out of town folk) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. RF62 Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Floppy drivers on a foam surround. Not my cup of tea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted March 29, 2009 Share Posted March 29, 2009 Trey, Of corse I am WRONG as your post implies. The compressed foam sourround has less deviation on extreme excursions than a rubber sourround,so says JL Audio engineers I asked.You claim the exact opposite! Interesting, I will make sure to ask driver engineers like Thilo (TC Sounds/Audio Pulse)and Wiggins(countless designs used in high performance subs) who are the most trusted people IMHO when it comes to high performance sub design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay481985 Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 Isn't Wiggins running from atleast the Chilean law and such? Since he ran away from his debts. Its good to hear that Thilo is back, from his debts..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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