Amit Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 Hey whats up guys, A few weeks ago i purchased a PW-2200 since i live in canada. I noticed one thing, this sub is very good down low, but does not really give you that tightness and speed in the 40hz to 80hz range. Would adding a desent quality 10 inch sub fix this issue. This is what i thought of, use the PW-2200 for anything below 40 hz, and then cross a 10 inch Infinity IL100 sub to fill in frequencys between 40hz and 80hz. Is this a good idea, because i am looking for that mid bass punch and speed. By the way is the IL100 a good sub for this, if not what other subs would you reccommend withing the same price range. Please note that i live in canada so i do not want to spend anymore than $600 canadain. Would the servo 15 maybe be my answer, since it is a sealed enclosure! Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted March 1, 2002 Share Posted March 1, 2002 amit, what are you using for front speaks & amplification? i think that's the answer to cover that 40hz+ range (2nd octave on up to the midrange). ------------------ My Home Systems Page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amit Posted March 1, 2002 Author Share Posted March 1, 2002 Hey boa, i am using klipsch RF-3 as my mains with an onkyo reciever which has a fixed crossover at 80hz. thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seb Posted March 2, 2002 Share Posted March 2, 2002 have you tried different positioning of the sub? I'm not experiencing that lack of tightness in the frequencies you describe with my sub, however when I move around the room there is a place where the bass is more powerful (overbearing actually) but lacks tightness in a major way. before spending money, I would explore that possibility. ------------------ http://members.fortunecity.com/sebdavid - go laugh at my crappy website/equipment http://www.dvdprofiler.com/mc.asp?alias=Sebdavid - go laugh at my puny little DVD collection Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Greenway Posted March 2, 2002 Share Posted March 2, 2002 Have you tried setting your receiver front speakers setup as large? Just a thought... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amit Posted March 2, 2002 Author Share Posted March 2, 2002 Hey guys, It's not like the PW-2200 really lacks tightness, but it's just not as fast and tight as a 10 inch sub thats why i am looking to add one like the infinity IL100, if that is a good sub that is! Maybe i will use the PW-2200 for HT and the 10 inch for music or maybe cross the two. Who know's but for now opinions would be great for 10 inch subs in the $600 canadian range. Thanks, and yes i have tried everything you guys mentioned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted March 2, 2002 Share Posted March 2, 2002 amit, if setting the mains to large gives you bad bass, then you may wanna get something that lets you set the rf-3 small & w/ a high pass cross of 40-50hz. iow the fabled adjustable crossover in the preamp. or you can go your two sub route but i'd think that's be a pain. instead you could set the mains large & turn the para sub's low pass cross according to the material. those rf-3 will go pretty flat below & beyond 40hz. ------------------ My Home Systems Page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underhanded Penguin Posted March 2, 2002 Share Posted March 2, 2002 Amit, that is the exact reason why I ended up with a ksw-15 instead of a pw2200. The paradigm hit hard down low but was far less pronounced in that 40 - 80hz region that you were talking about. I noticed this on a lot of the music that I play. Some people call this bomminess. If it is, then I like boominess. I almost considered getting a 10" sub just like you did, but opted not to when I noticed the pw2200 was not keeping up with the faster bass notes. My ksw-15 is fine for now. While not a great sub by any means, it does an okay job down to 25 hz. There's not much below 25hz, so it's great for the music I like, but not as great for movies. (Still good though). -UP ------------------ Liv Tyler as Arwen: "If you want him, come and claim him!" - Translation: "I am very hot." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underhanded Penguin Posted March 2, 2002 Share Posted March 2, 2002 If you want, get a ksw-10 or ksw-12 to fill in the gap, but you'll still have the slower bass notes of the pw-2200, which could be distracting. Unless, you turn off the pw-2200 during music, and use it only when you're playing dvd's. -UP ------------------ Liv Tyler as Arwen: "If you want him, come and claim him!" - Translation: "I am very hot." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amit Posted March 2, 2002 Author Share Posted March 2, 2002 hey guys, Do you think that if i returned my PW-2200 and got a servo 15 i would get more punch and midbass since it is a sealed design. Just a thought, since i have heard that the servo is also very good down low, and is NOT A ONE NOTE SUB that is very tight. What do you think, i do not mind paying the extra money. Thanks again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amit Posted March 2, 2002 Author Share Posted March 2, 2002 "iow the fabled adjustable crossover in the preamp" Hey BOA12 this is what you mentioned above, what does IOW mean by the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted March 2, 2002 Share Posted March 2, 2002 amit, yea that servo-15 may be just the ticket. from what i hear much more musical. my velo h(igh)g(ain)s(servo) will do fine up to 80hz if i let it. iow=in other words. ------------------ My Home Systems Page This message has been edited by boa12 on 03-02-2002 at 11:28 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted March 3, 2002 Share Posted March 3, 2002 LOL cubed A sub-mid woofa What will I see next? A teweet-woofa(80-150Hz)! Just get an M&K or Monitor Audio sub if you want fast upper punch with some good sub bass.M&K and Monitor Audio subs have the punch some seek to go with small monitors,superb match with RB-3 and RB-5's. If you start building a two or three way sub you may and up with a bloody mess. This makes me think,last year a customer(err read fool)walks in the store and asks me "DO YOU SELL FOUR WAY SPEAKERS?" I said NO,and asked why four way. He said "FOUR WAY ARE BETTER,HAVE A SUPER TWEETER" Ha TheEAR(s) Now theears TheEAR(s) Now theears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike stehr Posted March 3, 2002 Share Posted March 3, 2002 So, do you have 4-way speakers? I wish I was closer to Montreal, I would love to listen to Demos with you around, that would be a kick! My Sansui's are 4-way! HAHAHAHAHA!! They sound great in storage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oogins Posted March 3, 2002 Share Posted March 3, 2002 Are you saying the 4 way speakers are bad? I suppose if they're cheaply constructed, they could be. But what about 5 way? The Totem Acoustic Shaman are 5 way. And Totem speakers aren't exactly bottom of the line. They use high quality drivers, including Dynaudio. http://www.totemacoustic.com/NewFiles/shaman.html#Anchor-49575 They retail at $11000 US. This message has been edited by oogins on 03-03-2002 at 10:42 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamer Posted March 3, 2002 Share Posted March 3, 2002 I also have a Pw2200 and like its sound. But I have thought about eventually adding a rsw10. This might be one to do a search for online. Try playing with the crossovers on your sub and as always placement can make or break even the greatest of subs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVodhanel Posted March 3, 2002 Share Posted March 3, 2002 The problem isn't a lack of *speed* by the pw2200 >40hz. It's the pw2200 is capable of producing strong output <35hz. 99% of the time, the *musical* subs are simply considered that because they wuss out on the first octave. They rolloff <35hz...so everything above that is more pronounced. Since 99% of musical transients are >35hz.....presto....musical subwoofer. Chances are if you put a highpass filter on the Pw2200 around 35hz it could suddenly sound much more musical to you. TV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h2xmark Posted March 3, 2002 Share Posted March 3, 2002 Hello TV, where have you been? its a little quiet without you, welcome back. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted March 4, 2002 Share Posted March 4, 2002 Mike, Yes when I demo sound gear its quite a show.And it works,not to brag or anything(ahem)but my sale rate is way up there.Most who held B0$e,Nuance and DefTech in high regard want to puke on these.And even Paradigm and a few "quality" brands eat dust. I fully back Klipsch,Dynaudio,Monitor Audio(Gold Series) and B&W(Nautilus).Wilson Audio and Joseph Audio are quite good too. So you still want to hear a "FOUR WAY"? LOL oogins, I was refering to the mass market three and four way Technics and Co. speakers.A total disgrace and these are labeled Hi-Fi! TV, How right "99% of the time, the *musical* subs are simply considered that because they wuss out on the first octave. They rolloff <35hz...so everything above that is more pronounced. Since 99% of musical transients are >35hz.....presto....musical subwoofer." This is why Sunfire is NOT musical,because it does not have much output above 80Hz!LOL Let me add a tweeter TV where are the pics of your fabled SonoSilo SVS? You know the one built in a grain silo using 400 15" custom TC Sounds woofers? What you dont have pics! HSU has their $80000 sub,they never built any and have no pics. Hmmmm TheEAR(s) Now theears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h2xmark Posted March 4, 2002 Share Posted March 4, 2002 thats a good one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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