JoshT Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 Some time ago, BobG posted that Klipsch was developing a new speaker series that would be considered very high end, and would be priced accordingly. He was not talking about the Jubilee KHorn, or the Reference series, or the Heritage series with the new drivers, but something totally new. Has anyone heard anything about this line lately. Care to comment BobG or JimG? Very curious, JoshT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 Klipsch found it impractical to market the product due to it's elaborate cabinet design and associated price. The drivers utilized in Reference however -- benefited directly from the R&D done for the project. Quite a bit of trickle down as I understand it. ------------------ dean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 The best REASIONABLLY PRICED speakers in the world are going to be those that benefit from millions of dollars in R&D. Forget Wilson Audio. Klipsch, JBL, Boston, etc. have some real money to invest in R&D from being big, successful companies. Imagine spending $10,000,000 to develop a speaker, look at the examples: -Speaker Company 1 expects to sell 1,000 of the speakers. As a result the price needs to include $10,000 in R&D costs. -Speaker Company 2 expects to sell 1,000,000 of the speakers. As a result the price needs to include $10 in R&D costs. Just think about that, if the speaker materials were $1,000, Speaker Company 1 must charge $11,000 to break even, while Speaker Company 2 ONLY has to charge $1,010 to break even. That is a huge difference, Da! I'm sure that makes since. If a small company was making the RB-5II's, they may have to charge $3,000 or more to make it feasible to sell. Klipsch sells so many speakers; they can get away with selling them for $600 or so. With hi-end stuff, you have to do exactly what the low unit sales company did and charge an arm and a leg for it, even if they dont sound as good as a lower-priced, mainstream speaker. Of course, the other aspect is that super hi-end speakers sound a little better, but most of us can't afford $10,000 for a pair of speakers. Having the huge R&D prices paid for by hundreds of thousands of speaker sales lets us enjoy a TERRIFIC speaker at a REASIONABLE price. ------------------ Receiver: Sony STR-DE675 CD player: Sony CDP-CX300 Turntable: Technics SL-J3 with Audio-Technica TR485U Speakers: JBL HLS-610 Subwoofer: JBL 4648A-8 Sub amp: Parts Express 180 watt Center/surrounds: Teac 3-way bookshelfs Yes, it sucks, but better to come. KLIPSCH soon! My computer is better than my stereo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 What? Klipsch abandoned a High-End line! WHAT A WASTE KLIPSCH,SHAME ON YOU I would buy these unless they would be over 10 grand per pair.Serious With a tiny pricetag of 2K for the RF-7's and a sound so BIG and so detailed I can only imagine what Klipsch could do with three to four times the budget. Come on Klipsch you should reconsider and release this High-End line. Dynaudio makes inexpensive speakers(Audience line) as well as their super line the Evidence line.The Evidence line is the pinnacle of Dynaudio know how,while they will not sell to many Evidence speakers they are the flagship and these project a positive image of the company. I heard the Evidence Master a few months ago and the sound quality is at the very top of dynamic loudspeaker class.AWESOME Klipsch should release their true reference speakers,like I said if they had a small floorstander for under 10K I would seriously consider it(and I have a spare amp to drive it too MOON W5 ). TheEAR(s) Now theears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 Ken, Good example of how costs can be lowered but... Dont blow the research costs out of proportion . $10000000 to develop speakers! LOL And who is in charge and on the payroll? Von Braun! They would have to find a money pit to spend money and work in LasVegas casinos. LOL You know they dont design the Saturn V moonrocket here,millitary budgets are not really needed,even for the most complex speakers. TheEAR(s) Now theears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted March 30, 2002 Share Posted March 30, 2002 TEN MILLION is too high, I knew that when I wrote the story. I KNOW that JBL/Harman have spent over $2,000,000 in the Studio/Northridge Series development. DO YOU AGREE: The future of mainstream speakers, becides advertising (or availability) will be to spend more on R&D and just make a better sounding speaker? ------------------ Receiver: Sony STR-DE675 CD player: Sony CDP-CX300 Turntable: Technics SL-J3 with Audio-Technica TR485U Speakers: JBL HLS-610 Subwoofer: JBL 4648A-8 Sub amp: Parts Express 180 watt Center/surrounds: Teac 3-way bookshelfs Yes, it sucks, but better to come. KLIPSCH soon! My computer is better than my stereo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted March 31, 2002 Share Posted March 31, 2002 NOT with B0$e With them its Better Sales Thru Brainwash B0$e spends about $78/year on speaker research and $25000000 on adds!Talk about exaustive R&D,marketing that is TheEAR(s) Now theears Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted March 31, 2002 Share Posted March 31, 2002 Oh, we cannot forget Bose. They are the black sheep of the audio/consumer electronic world. Need i say more? I think Bose is the ONLY audio company to have: -TV add's -Radio add's -Major (Time, Newsweek, Popular Science, etc.) magizine add's -Home mailing add's, both letters and flyers (I get them monthly, like posion coming to my house) -Have products on major TV shows (Friend's has Martin Logan) ------------------ Receiver: Sony STR-DE675 CD player: Sony CDP-CX300 Turntable: Technics SL-J3 with Audio-Technica TR485U Speakers: JBL HLS-610 Subwoofer: JBL 4648A-8 Sub amp: Parts Express 180 watt Center/surrounds: Teac 3-way bookshelfs Yes, it sucks, but better to come. KLIPSCH soon! My computer is better than my stereo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted March 31, 2002 Share Posted March 31, 2002 Ken, Just wait here there is even worse than B0$e! Yes you read that right,its *uance from Canada(* is an N)! *uance not only sells garbage quality speakers but they have sales reps in every store their lousy produce is being sold(read forced down the poor customer throat with a pressure forced credit card!). *uance speakers all use the same tweeters(about $5 worth)and the same 8" midbass($10 max value)and slap them into Mirage immitations and claim thier jusnk has Spatial Sound(err they use Q sound demos to fool the newbies and force them the trash on FREE credit cards) Without the shark sales reps *uance would be long out of business.Their ONLY hope is to lure newbie youngsters into a "sound room"(read torture chamber) and at ALL COSTS force a credit card and say they can pay per month! What is more,*uance gives a ten year warranty on thier junk,how come?Well like I told you if the drivers break they can replace them at dollar store prices and still make a load of cash. What is more? *uance reps will tell the unsuspecting buyer speaker A is "evaluated at $4500" and for this time only the deal is $2250!The buyer sys WOW and when the sales rep throws in sone FREE DVD palyer and cables the youngster says WOOOOOOOOOOW and the deal is sealed around his neck.Fact is this $4500 evaluated price is nothing true,the fact is $2000 would be a total ripoff still.The speakers are worth $500 max,and the cost is even lower!Be warned To ANY CANADIAN folks on this board reading this.BE WARNED stay away from *uance and its retailers.Or you will have an unwanted credit card and a pair of music raping speakers.Dont let the *uance sales rep lure you in. And remember if by mistake you walk into a *uance sales rep ask to compare their JUNK against Klipsch R series,Dynaudio Audience series,B&W Matrix series and PSB Stratus.You will discover very fast what *uance is all about,SCAM and legal ripoff. BE WARNED,anybody.Dont let the lies comming out of the *uance sales rep fool you. Remember *uance did not even let Andrew Marshall (Audio Ideas Guide a good Canadian audio mag) review their speakers!Why do you think? Because if Andrew would report the truth their sales would have been cripled. Thank you for reading Klipsch fans,and remember to warn anyone who wants to buy a *uance.Its in the same league as B0$e only disguised as Mirage wannabe with B0$e sound and sales tactics so dirty it makes a WWII almost romantic. TheEAR(s) Now theears This message has been edited by TheEAR on 03-31-2002 at 11:34 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew2 Posted April 6, 2002 Share Posted April 6, 2002 I Hate *uance... To think I was sucked in once makes me cry!!!!!! ------------------ Matthew Klipsch Rocks This message has been edited by matthew2 on 04-06-2002 at 08:24 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted April 6, 2002 Share Posted April 6, 2002 O.K. Dean, Let's have it, Dish. I remember BobG mentioning the Super Klipsch, but I thought that was the Jubilee. Tell us about elaborate cabinet designs! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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