tljraj Posted March 10, 2001 Share Posted March 10, 2001 I'm looking for comments and reasoning on how I can setup my HT system. I've been cramped, but soon I will be moving into a new home. The intertainment room is 20 x 24? (480 Sq Ft) This is my system 4 La scalas 5 Heresey II 1 Pair KLF 30's 1 Pair KLF 20's 1 KT-LCR 1 Pair JBL L-7's 1 KSW 300 1 KSW 200 1 Kenwood SW 300 ( Please don't laugh) it was my first sub I didn't know what I was doing. Yamaha DSP A-1 Intragrated Amp (DTS) Yamaha A/V Receiver RX-V2095 (DTS) Panasonic DVD A310 Adcom GCD-700 Adcom GCD-750 Adcom GFP-750 Pre Amp Adcom GFA 5503 Amp Adcom GFA 5500 Amp Adcom GFA 6000 Amp Onkyo M-508 Power Amp I'm looking for placement of speakers and what wall should I place it on? The 20' or 24'? Should I run both the Intragrated Amp and Receiver together using more speakers? My DVD player can run both optical and Coaxal at the same time. At present I'm using my Amps for pre outs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rowooo Posted March 10, 2001 Share Posted March 10, 2001 I can only dream of having that much equipment. What speakers are you using the 5500 for? Sorry for not answering any of you questions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tljraj Posted March 10, 2001 Author Share Posted March 10, 2001 HI Rowooo, I have a set of Heresey II's running off of the 5500, the 3 centers are running off of a 5503 and the rest are using an Onkyo Amp. Thanks for Posting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted March 10, 2001 Share Posted March 10, 2001 If you want a lot of seating, La Scalas in all 4 corners, TV in the center of the short wall, 1 Heresy for a center channel, another for center rear, 2 more for side surrounds. Sell the rest of the gear and buy better amps than Adcom. Look hard at an Aragon Soundstage and 8008 amps. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T2K Posted March 11, 2001 Share Posted March 11, 2001 tljraj, don't have an answer for your set-up question,sorry,but instead have a question for you.I have been looking for info on the Klipsch KT-LCR line of speakers.Have had no luck.Interested in specs,pics,etc.Any idea of where to find info? Thanks. Keith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tljraj Posted March 11, 2001 Author Share Posted March 11, 2001 John, I'll try the Lascalas in the corners and Heresey II's as side surrounds. My DSP A-1 Amp has terminals for dual centers, would having two Heresey II's for center be better than one? (The more the better thinking) When you say center rear do you mean center surround, because I don't believe I have that capability?. I'll take a look at the Aragon Soundstage and 8008 Amps. What kind of spes's on amps in general should I be seeking? Thanks for your post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tljraj Posted March 11, 2001 Author Share Posted March 11, 2001 talktoKieth, Yes I know what you mean this is what I have for spec's. The KT-LCR family consist of: KT-LCR, KT-DS surround channel, KT-SW 15 powered subwoofer. KT-LCR: B/W 65-20 kHz Sen 95 dB 8 ohms nom/ 4 ohms min Power 100 watts (425 peak) Video shielded KT-DS: B/W 100-20 kHz Sen 91 dB 8 nom/ 4 min Power 100 (240peak) KT-SW 15: Amp 200 watts / 4 ohms/ Dynamic Headroom 1 dB (252 watts into 4 ohms) Passive Radiator F/R 35-250 Hz Video Shielded Hope this helps out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnA Posted March 11, 2001 Share Posted March 11, 2001 Two Heresy centers won't hurt. The center rear is a new inovation. I believe it's called ES and EX, basically using ProLogic to make a rear center out of the 2 rear channels. The disc has to have the encoding for it to work well. I like to see an amp that can put out nearly 2x the rating into 4 ohms and I think 100 watts/channel is plenty. I like to see distortion ratings at or just below 0.1%, too low implies too much negative feedback and much more implies too little. I like simple designs, MOSFET output devices, high damping factors (>300) and slewing rates (>100). Knowing that an amp can pass a clean square wave at more than 1 watt is good, showing good power supply, current capacity and wide bandwidth (you won't se this info much). Finally, you have to listen to it, because all of the specs in the world won't describe how it interacts with your electronics and speakers. If the amp has a "character" or sound of it's own, other than the ability to tightly control the speaker, I don't like it. Boy, that sounds erudite, didn't mean to get that far out. John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tljraj Posted March 11, 2001 Author Share Posted March 11, 2001 John, Do I need a 6.1 unit my present unit is DD 5.1 DTS capable? I have seen the ES and EX DVD's you speak of, but how do I establish a rear channel or do I tap in off my rear surrounds? Thanks aklipsch (abunch), Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tljraj Posted March 14, 2001 Author Share Posted March 14, 2001 Can anyone help: Do I need a 6.1 unit my present unit is DD 5.1 DTS capable? I have seen the ES and EX DVD's, but how do I establish a rear channel or can I tap in off my rear surrounds and how? Thanks aklipsch (abunch), Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J M O N Posted March 14, 2001 Share Posted March 14, 2001 I agree with John about getting better amplification than Adcom. Not that Adcom is bad, but there are better options out there for your La Scalas. Also, I don't think you have too many speakers, but you may have too many speakers in that room. Remember that each speaker has movable diaphrams. When one speaker is playing, the sound pressure is going to vibrate the diaphrams of the speakers that are not playing, and thus they will make some (unwanted) sound. I haven't tried this out in practice, but in theory it sounds like the other speakers will affect the sound. Maybe you can test this theory. Just a thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougdrake Posted March 15, 2001 Share Posted March 15, 2001 tljraj - There are ways to create pseudo-6.1. The one I've heard most about simply involves digging out your old Dolby Pro Logic receiver, feeding the rear pre-amp outs of your Dolby Digital receiver into your Pro receiver, then wiring left/center/right speaker outputs to your rear left/center/right speakers. That creates a center channel by matrixing the rear channels. SteveP on this board used that successfully before he got a "real" 6.1 decoder (Denon 3801). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boa12 Posted March 15, 2001 Share Posted March 15, 2001 if you want to do more than 5.1 channels, you have to have a preamp (or preamp section) that decodes into 6.1 or 7.1 channels. you certainly have enough speakers. i don't know- is your yammy upgradeable to any of the 6.1 matrixed, DTS 6.1 discrete, or 7.1 matrixed? if not u may want to look for a new preamp/receiver that does it (like the denon 5800 f.e.). then u could spread out 4 of the heresy as side surrounds running a+b & use the other 2 lascala for the 2 rear surrounds. then u still have speakers to spare. just a start - how to get all those speakers working best w/ just a 9.1 setup is my limit. but like DD said u need the decoding for those. to add though, DTS now has 6.1 discrete where the rear center is a distinct non-matrixed channel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T2K Posted March 15, 2001 Share Posted March 15, 2001 tljraj, thanks, Keith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Phillips Posted March 15, 2001 Share Posted March 15, 2001 Doug is right,it worked very good.I can not tell the difference between the home made EX and the matrixed EX that the 3801 does. Now the ES discrete is a noticable difference.But still nothing to jump up and down about. I completly agree with John,but I'd go with 2 Heresy centers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forresthump Posted March 15, 2001 Share Posted March 15, 2001 i think wiring up 2 centers is pretty silly. the 4 heresy would be great for 2 sets of side surrounds to really give you that theater effect. but hell w/ all those damn speakers if you want 2 centers u've got the klf to spare for side surrounds. is this a joke boy? u the nephew of Mr. Klipsch? what the hell u doing w/ all those speakers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tljraj Posted March 20, 2001 Author Share Posted March 20, 2001 Thanks for the ideas. I'm moving into my new home at the end of the month and with the HT room I'll have plenty of space to test out different set ups. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbngaa Posted March 31, 2001 Share Posted March 31, 2001 well, i just bought a demo model of the kt-lcr center from hooper's audio - i haven't even hooked it up yet, because it has nowhere to sit! the manual recommends it sit vertically instead of horizontal. any ideas about that? i'm gonna try it horizontally anyway. fingers are crossed that it sounds as good as it looks. david Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundog Posted April 1, 2001 Share Posted April 1, 2001 Use the heritage series speakers(LaScalas and Heresys)together. Don't mix them with the others or you have a sonic mismatch. Use the LaScalas as left and right front ...probably best in corners but depends on room acoustics ... experiment .... Center could be a LaScala or one or two Heresys ... four Heresys as surrounds will probably work well ...hang them high perhaps angled slightly downward ...again you must experiment due to room acoustics .... I use 2 Klipschorns, 4 LaScalas and the components from two Heresys (above and below my TV monitor in a custom built cabinet) ... had to do a lot of experimentation ....ended up with La Scalas stacked with upper set angled forward and serving as surround/dsp speakers with the bottom pair angled towards and reflecting off of back wall in a similar sized room to yours. Unbelievable sound! The Heritage speakers are much,much cleaner than the subs you list so I would suggest using the subs only for the .1 LFE effects on movies. You probably will find the sound is better without them for music ,,,my K-horns have the cleanest bass imaginable ...very natural; very real ...I use the discontinued Klipsch LF-10 subs for my LFEs. Can not comment on the amps because I use an Outlaw 1050 6.1 receiver which I love. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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