mustang guy Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I shared it in my Google account. That might elevate the importance. I don't do Facebook, but if any of you do, a share there might also help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesg11 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Hi Chris A, #1 post here! "Once you've determined that your track has a missing bass octave, select Effects --> Equalize... then notice a curve pops up. Here is where you will open one of the example bass boost xml files that you found above in this thread, by clicking on the "Save/Manage Curves" button at the middle-bottom of the curve window. Import that xml file by hitting the "import" button and searching for the sml file that you've saved locally on hard disc. You should see the curve appear when you select if from the list. Hit "ok" to close the curve management window, then "ok" again to close and execute the Equalize... filter. You will see the traces change shape - perhaps even turn red, etc." Keen to explore this & started with Bromberg 'crabtree', given I was already impressed with the bottom end. But, ran into an issue at the "Save/Manage" stage of importing your xml file. Using a mac & just can't locate the sml file ...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) Welcome! I found some information here on Audacity EQ curves: http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/EQCurvesDownload The default directory where Audacity looks is apparently this one identified in the above link: ~/Library/Application Support/audacity/ Since I don't have a Mac handy, I'm not sure that this solves your issue. Remember that if you save xml files, on the Mac and on Linux, you need to add the ",xml" suffix to the file name manually while exporting the file from Audacity... as per http://manual.audacityteam.org/o/man/equalization.html. Hope this helps. Chris Edited March 13, 2015 by Chris A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 I found an EQ curve for one CD (Boston, Epic 34188) that is basically the same across all the tracks (with minor variations). Attached below. Make sure that you "Normalize..." each track after using filters. EDIT: I updated this file based on a re-listen at higher SPL. This revision was done while listening at ~90 dBC at the listening chair and exhibits a bit more high end than the previous version. Let me know which you think. Note that the last two tracks on this album begin to depart from ideal equalization relative to the preceding tracks using this one EQ curve. I've attached two extra EQ curves, one each for the last two tracks (Something About You, and Let Me Take You Home Tonight) that can be run after the first filter is run (i.e., second filters), to further correct these last two tracks. Boston (Epic EK 34188) Rev. 2.XML Something About You (second Filter to be run after first filter) - Boston.XML Let Me Take You Home Tonight (second filter to be run after first filter) - Boston.XML Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted March 13, 2015 Author Share Posted March 13, 2015 (edited) Another one for Diana Krall's Stepping Out CD (GP GRD-9825): The DR Database log file of the newly restored tracks: foobar2000 1.3.3 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1log date: 2015-03-17 08:54:13--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Analyzed: Diana Krall / Stepping Out--------------------------------------------------------------------------------DR Peak RMS Duration Track--------------------------------------------------------------------------------DR14 -0.30 dB -17.26 dB 4:30 01-This Can't Be Love -Diana KrallDR13 -0.30 dB -17.46 dB 3:54 02-Straighten Up And Fly Right -Diana KrallDR14 -0.30 dB -18.29 dB 4:01 03-Between The Devil And The Deep Blue Sea -Diana KrallDR14 -0.30 dB -19.13 dB 4:19 04-I'm Just A Lucky So And So -Diana KrallDR15 -0.30 dB -20.18 dB 5:34 05-Body And Soul -Diana KrallDR15 -0.30 dB -18.65 dB 6:16 06-42nd Street -Diana KrallDR13 -0.30 dB -17.67 dB 4:26 07-Do Nothin' Till You Hear From Me -Diana KrallDR14 -0.30 dB -17.64 dB 7:03 08-Big Foot -Diana KrallDR14 -0.30 dB -17.75 dB 4:06 09-Frim Fram Sauce -Diana KrallDR15 -0.30 dB -19.88 dB 5:19 10-Jimmie -Diana KrallDR13 -0.30 dB -16.28 dB 4:41 11-As Long As I Live -Diana Krall--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Number of tracks: 11Official DR value: DR14Samplerate: 44100 HzChannels: 2Bits per sample: 16Bitrate: 923 kbpsCodec: FLAC================================================================================ Stepping Out - Diana Krall.XML Edited March 17, 2015 by Chris A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Welcome! I found some information here on Audacity EQ curves: http://wiki.audacityteam.org/wiki/EQCurvesDownload The default directory where Audacity looks is apparently this one identified in the above link: ~/Library/Application Support/audacity/ Since I don't have a Mac handy, I'm not sure that this solves your issue. Remember that if you save xml files, on the Mac and on Linux, you need to add the ",xml" suffix to the file name manually while exporting the file from Audacity... as per http://manual.audacityteam.org/o/man/equalization.html. Hope this helps. Chris That path doesn't exist on my Mac with OSX Mavericks (10.9.5). Mine says it saved the file to xxx.xml with the rest of the path, but that doesn't exist. You can change the path to point to a folder of your choosing, which works fine. I'm going to upgrade mine to Yosemite this afternoon and I'll check again. Bruce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted March 14, 2015 Author Share Posted March 14, 2015 (edited) Suzanne Ciani - Dream Suite (Musica International SW7001-2) This CD has significant "spectral shaping" below 400 Hz and above 3500 Hz. The EQ curve, below, fixes that problem. The DR Database log file of the newly restored tracks: foobar2000 1.3.3 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1log date: 2015-03-17 08:49:22--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Analyzed: Suzanne Ciani / Dream Suite--------------------------------------------------------------------------------DR Peak RMS Duration Track--------------------------------------------------------------------------------DR11 -0.30 dB -18.75 dB 4:47 01-Meeting MozartDR12 -0.30 dB -18.64 dB 4:31 02-Andalusian DreamDR13 -0.30 dB -18.02 dB 4:01 03-Lime Marmalade ReverieDR12 -0.30 dB -18.06 dB 5:04 04-Full Moon SonataDR11 -0.30 dB -17.27 dB 4:28 05-Time StopsDR12 -0.30 dB -15.49 dB 3:39 06-Dream of the Pink ZebraDR11 -0.30 dB -17.35 dB 4:11 07-Riding Heaven's WaveDR11 -0.30 dB -15.58 dB 3:39 08-Megan's DreamDR12 -0.30 dB -18.02 dB 3:16 09-Sogno AgitatoDR12 -0.30 dB -17.07 dB 4:09 10-'Til Time and Times Are Done--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Number of tracks: 10Official DR value: DR12Samplerate: 44100 HzChannels: 2Bits per sample: 16Bitrate: 690 kbpsCodec: FLAC================================================================================ Dream Suite - Suzanne Ciani.XML Edited March 17, 2015 by Chris A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted March 15, 2015 Author Share Posted March 15, 2015 (edited) The Police - Synchronicity (A&M CD 3735) The DR Database log file of the newly restored tracks: foobar2000 1.3.3 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1log date: 2015-03-17 08:46:19--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Analyzed: The Police / Synchronicity--------------------------------------------------------------------------------DR Peak RMS Duration Track--------------------------------------------------------------------------------DR15 -0.30 dB -17.70 dB 3:23 01-Synchronicity IDR16 -0.30 dB -19.73 dB 3:37 02-Walking In Your FootstepsDR15 -0.30 dB -17.08 dB 4:02 03-O My GodDR13 -0.30 dB -14.06 dB 3:06 04-Mother-1DR15 -0.30 dB -17.45 dB 2:00 05-Miss GradenkoDR14 -0.30 dB -18.05 dB 5:05 06-Synchronicity IIDR15 -0.30 dB -17.34 dB 4:14 07-Every Breath You TakeDR14 -0.30 dB -17.28 dB 4:59 08-King Of PainDR15 -2.89 dB -21.81 dB 5:14 09-Wrapped Around Your FingerDR18 -0.30 dB -21.89 dB 4:16 10-Tea In The SaharaDR17 -0.30 dB -20.55 dB 4:36 11-Murder By Numbers--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Number of tracks: 11Official DR value: DR15Samplerate: 44100 HzChannels: 2Bits per sample: 16Bitrate: 789 kbpsCodec: FLAC================================================================================ EQ curves that are not included below are okay as is. Synchronicity I - The Police.XML Walking in Your Footsteps - The Police.XML Synchronicity II - The Police.XML O My God - The Police.XML Mother - The Police.XML Miss Gradenko - The Police.XML King of Pain - The Police.XML Tea in the Sahara - The Police.XML Murder by Numbers - The Police.XML Edited March 17, 2015 by Chris A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Hills Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 (edited) Here is 30 seconds starting at about 2:55 from Supertramp's "If Everyone Was Listening," comparing the original A&M CD and the 2014 remaster. Two things stand out: 1) It would be a waste of time boosting anything below 40 Hz. 2) The difference between 80s analogue high-pass filtering and modern digital filtering. Edit: Corrected the track name (It's off "Crime Of The Century"). I was listening to one while writing about the other.... Edited March 22, 2015 by Don Hills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted March 15, 2015 Author Share Posted March 15, 2015 (edited) I used the following EQ curves for that same album - Even in the Quietest Moments by Supertramp (A&M CD 4634) with no change to the last track - "Fool's Overture": The DR Database log file of the newly restored tracks: foobar2000 1.3.3 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1log date: 2015-03-17 08:41:57--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Analyzed: Supertramp / Even In The Quietest Moments...--------------------------------------------------------------------------------DR Peak RMS Duration Track--------------------------------------------------------------------------------DR14 -0.30 dB -17.21 dB 4:09 01-Give A Little BitDR14 -0.30 dB -17.26 dB 6:53 02-Lover BoyDR15 -0.30 dB -22.01 dB 6:29 03-Even In The Quietest MomentsDR14 -0.30 dB -19.27 dB 4:04 04-DownstreamDR13 -0.30 dB -16.44 dB 4:52 05-BabajiDR14 -0.30 dB -18.01 dB 6:22 06-From Now On-1DR13 -2.33 dB -20.11 dB 10:52 07-Fool's Overture--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Number of tracks: 7Official DR value: DR14Samplerate: 44100 HzChannels: 2Bits per sample: 16Bitrate: 690 kbpsCodec: FLAC================================================================================ Give a Little Bit - Supertramp.XML Loverboy - Supertramp.XML Even in the Quietest Moments - Supertramp.XML Downstream - Supertramp.XML Babaji - Supertramp.XML From Now On - Supertramp.XML Edited March 17, 2015 by Chris A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted March 15, 2015 Author Share Posted March 15, 2015 (edited) Come Away With Me - Norah Jones - a few of the tracks... (Blue Note 7243 5 32088 2 0) --I updated these EQ curves in a later posting. Edited April 1, 2015 by Chris A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesg11 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Keep these coming! I'll get some of them. Re Harrison Crabfeathers - got it sorted - thanks! - & did an A/B comparison a few hours back. Audirvana - macmini - mytek dac. My Elacs go down to 27Hz (I'll try the stereo subs later on, which go another 10 down). Amp easily deals with it all - goes to 50 W class A (200 W rms)/ 400k microfarads energy storage). Dunno, ... the extra bottom end is hugely apparent - dramatic at start & then at ~40 secs & then a minute later ~1.40. Just not sure I get that same smooth thru gritty rasp of the strings in the lower mids - presence. Tricky because 1. my room modes! & 2. original is a definite notch up in gain, as the traces show. Questions on this track etc - are we 'recovering' info that's in the file or can you add bass wherever, whenever in Audacity? I will re-read earlier discussion. - does adding this in effect the harmonics further up thru the mid-high frequencies? - what is the lowest freq now available? My speakers won't get there of course. Loving the experiment & will keep at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesg11 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 (edited) Also, did a DR measurement - the 2006 Wood album is listed as an 8 & the Harrison Crabfeathers track I measured at 7. So fairly hot & you can see that in the traces. The revamped version care of Chris A's preset measured at 12. (& again that is therein the traces & accounts for the drop in gain above). That aspect is certainly a significant change for the better. Edited March 16, 2015 by jamesg11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted March 16, 2015 Author Share Posted March 16, 2015 (edited) are we 'recovering' info that's in the file or can you add bass wherever, whenever in Audacity? You can recover attenuated frequencies, rebalance frequencies relative to other frequencies, and attenuate frequencies of your own, but you can't make spectral information that's not there unless you add it using some other signal or noise generator to mix into the track. does adding this affect the harmonics further up thru the mid-high frequencies? Actually the process that I use "rebalances" the frequencies--including harmonics--relative to other frequencies present. That is why I find the sound of the restored tracks sound more natural than the tracks that come to us from the store on disc, i.e., the ones from the record companies, but not necessarily the artists themselves. Rebalancing the tracks puts each instrument's harmonics back into balance with all other harmonics for each instrument and voice playing. You can see the frequencies that are boosted and attenuated on the original discs in the frequency spectrum plots - with irregular frequency curves. It is those curves that I use to restore the tracks back to something natural, especially tracks whose frequencies are deliberately boosted--midrange and high frequencies--or attenuated (bass)--in order to make them sound louder on earbuds, etc. These unnatural bass level cuts, particularly those below 100 Hz, also typically change DR ratings for the tracks rather significantly, decreasing the DR rating for each track by as much as 6 DR rating points for the track. The effects of Loudness War compression and spectral shaping on our music tracks is appalling, IMHO, and you'd be very surprised which music is spectrally shaped to cut bass and accentuate midrange and highs. what is the lowest freq now available? In the Saga of Harrison Crabfeathers track, I see a great deal of spectral information that is below 30 Hz, particularly during the percussive thumping of the strings and the body of the bass instrument by Bromberg as well as the subharmonic echoes in the recording room/studio where the performance(s) were recorded. Edited March 16, 2015 by Chris A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted March 17, 2015 Author Share Posted March 17, 2015 (edited) A few tracks from Joe Cocker's Greatest Hits (A&M CD 3257)... The DR Database log file of the newly restored tracks: foobar2000 1.3.3 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1log date: 2015-03-17 08:06:07--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Analyzed: Joe Cocker / Greatest Hits (Joe Cocker)--------------------------------------------------------------------------------DR Peak RMS Duration Track--------------------------------------------------------------------------------DR10 -0.30 dB -13.85 dB 5:05 01-01 With A Little Help From My FriendsDR14 -0.30 dB -15.94 dB 4:31 02-02 Woman To WomanDR14 -0.30 dB -16.90 dB 3:51 03-03 The Jealous KindDR15 -0.30 dB -17.22 dB 4:39 04-04 Black-Eyed BluesDR13 -0.30 dB -16.27 dB 4:02 05-05 I Think It's Going To RainDR11 -0.30 dB -14.94 dB 4:07 06-06 Cry Me A River (Live)DR12 -0.30 dB -16.95 dB 2:44 07-07 You Are So BeautifulDR11 -0.30 dB -16.43 dB 4:13 08-08 Feeling AlrightDR11 -0.30 dB -15.29 dB 2:53 09-09 Delta LadyDR11 -0.30 dB -13.74 dB 4:45 10-10 Darling Be Home SoonDR13 -0.30 dB -15.17 dB 4:29 11-11 High Time We WentDR12 -0.30 dB -14.72 dB 4:18 12-12 The Letter (Live)--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Number of tracks: 12Official DR value: DR12Samplerate: 44100 HzChannels: 2Bits per sample: 16Bitrate: 990 kbpsCodec: FLAC================================================================================ With A Little Help From My Friends - Joe Cocker.XML Cry Me A River (Live) - Joe Cocker.XML Felling Alright - Joe Cocker.XML Delta Lady - Joe Cocker.XML Darling Be Home Soon - Joe Cocker.XML High Time We Went - Joe Cocker.XML The Letter (Live) - Joe Cocker.XML Edited March 17, 2015 by Chris A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted March 19, 2015 Author Share Posted March 19, 2015 Mysterious Traveller - Weather Report (Columbia CK 32494) The DR Database log file of the newly remastered tracks: foobar2000 1.3.3 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1log date: 2015-03-19 06:43:21--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Analyzed: Weather Report / Mysterious Traveller--------------------------------------------------------------------------------DR Peak RMS Duration Track--------------------------------------------------------------------------------DR13 -0.30 dB -15.54 dB 10:43 01-Nubian SundanceDR13 -0.30 dB -18.42 dB 3:42 02-American TangoDR13 -0.30 dB -16.01 dB 8:25 03-Cucumber SlumberDR15 -0.30 dB -20.96 dB 7:22 04-Mysterious TravellerDR15 -3.00 dB -28.17 dB 5:05 05-Blackthorn RoseDR13 -3.00 dB -23.38 dB 5:44 06-Scarlet WomanDR17 -0.30 dB -24.44 dB 7:23 07-Jungle Book--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Number of tracks: 7Official DR value: DR14Samplerate: 44100 HzChannels: 2Bits per sample: 16Bitrate: 639 kbpsCodec: FLAC================================================================================ Nubian Sundance - Weather Report.XML American Tango - Weather Report.XML Cucumber Slumber - Weather Report.XML Mysterious Traveller - Weather Report.XML Scarlet Woman - Weather Report.XML Jungle Book - Weather Report.XML Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted March 19, 2015 Author Share Posted March 19, 2015 By the way, it should be noted that any of these EQ curves can be easily altered within Audacity to suit personal needs. For instance: Adding or subtracting in the 4000-10000 Hz region (as a whole) will increase or decrease the brilliance or liveness, The 100-200 Hz band will increase or decrease the "muddiness", fullness or "tubbiness". Vocals lie mostly in the 200-700 band (male) and 400-1000 band (female). Stridency/harshness is found in the 1000-4000 Hz band -- adjust this band carefully. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted March 20, 2015 Author Share Posted March 20, 2015 Jaco Pastorius (Eponymous album) (Epic EK 33949) DR Database log file of the newly remastered tracks: foobar2000 1.3.3 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1 log date: 2015-03-19 14:42:18 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Analyzed: Jaco Pastorius / Jaco Pastorius -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DR Peak RMS Duration Track -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DR11 -0.30 dB -16.26 dB 2:27 01-Donna Lee - Jaco Pastorius DR15 -0.30 dB -17.12 dB 3:53 02-Come On, Come Over - Jaco Pastorius DR13 -0.30 dB -17.57 dB 4:32 03-Continuum - Jaco Pastorius DR13 -0.30 dB -16.80 dB 7:41 04-Kuru / Speak Like A Child - Jaco Pastorius DR13 -7.76 dB -23.78 dB 2:23 05-Portrait Of Tracy - Jaco Pastorius DR14 -0.30 dB -18.49 dB 5:29 06-Opus Pocus - Jaco Pastorius DR12 -0.30 dB -14.16 dB 4:25 07-Okonkolé Y Trompa - Jaco Pastorius DR13 -0.30 dB -17.08 dB 8:56 08-(Used To Be A) Cha-Cha - Jaco Pastorius DR12 -0.30 dB -16.65 dB 2:14 09-Forgotten Love - Jaco Pastorius -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Number of tracks: 9 Official DR value: DR13 Samplerate: 44100 Hz Channels: 2 Bits per sample: 16 Bitrate: 812 kbps Codec: FLAC ================================================================================ Donna Lee - Jaco Pastorious.XML Come On Come Over - Jaco Pastorious.XML Continuum - Jaco Pastorious.XML Kuru-Speak Like a Child - Jaco Pastorious.XML Portrait of Tracy - Jaco Pastorious.XML Opus Pocus - Jaco Pastorious.XML Okonkole y Trompa - Jaco Pastorious.XML (Used to be) a Cha Cha - Jaco Pastorious.XML Forgotten Love - Jaco Pastorious.XML Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted March 21, 2015 Author Share Posted March 21, 2015 (edited) Three-for-one...and these work for each James Taylor full album: Mud Slide Slim and the Blue Horizon (Warner 2561-2) One Man Dog (Warner 7599-25933-2) Walking Man (Warner 7599-27285-2) Mud Slide Slim - James Taylor.XML One Man Dog - James Taylor.XML Walking Man - James Taylor.XML Edited March 21, 2015 by Chris A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris A Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 (edited) Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band - The Beatles (Parlophone/EMI CDP 7 46442 2) The DR Database log file of the newly remastered tracks: foobar2000 1.3.3 / Dynamic Range Meter 1.1.1log date: 2015-03-22 12:49:33--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Analyzed: The Beatles / Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band--------------------------------------------------------------------------------DR Peak RMS Duration Track--------------------------------------------------------------------------------DR11 -0.30 dB -14.62 dB 2:02 01-Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band -BeatlesDR12 -0.30 dB -13.96 dB 2:44 02-With A Little Help From My Friends -BeatlesDR11 -0.30 dB -15.39 dB 3:28 03-Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds -BeatlesDR14 -0.30 dB -18.05 dB 2:48 04-Getting BetterDR13 -0.30 dB -18.29 dB 2:37 05-Fixing A HoleDR12 -0.30 dB -15.83 dB 3:35 06-She's Leaving HomeDR13 -0.30 dB -16.77 dB 2:37 07-Being For The Benefit Of Mr. KiteDR12 -0.30 dB -17.47 dB 5:05 08-Within You Without YouDR13 -0.30 dB -17.03 dB 2:38 09-When I'm Sixty-FourDR11 -0.30 dB -14.22 dB 2:42 10-Lovely RitaDR11 -0.30 dB -14.89 dB 2:41 11-Good Morning Good MorningDR12 -0.30 dB -13.62 dB 1:19 12-Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise)DR12 -0.30 dB -17.86 dB 5:34 13-A Day In The Life--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Number of tracks: 13Official DR value: DR12Samplerate: 44100 HzChannels: 2Bits per sample: 16Bitrate: 826 kbpsCodec: FLAC================================================================================ Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club - Beatles.XML With A Little Help From My Friends - Beatles.XML Lucy In The Sky With Diamonds - Beatles.XML Getting Better - Beatles.XML Fixing A Hole - Beatles.XML Shes Leaving Home - Beatles.XML Being For The Benefit Of Mr Kite - Beatles.XML Within You WIthout You - Beatles.XML When Im Sixty-Four - Beatles.XML Lovely Rita - Beatles.XML Good Morning Good Morning - Beatles.XML Good Morning Good Morning - Beatles.XML Sgt. Peppers Lonely Hearts Club (Reprise) - Beatles.XML A Day In The Life - Beatles.XML Edited March 22, 2015 by Chris A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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