avguytx Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 I've read every thread I could find about building Klipsch Belles as I don't see myself coming into a pair reasonably priced or close. I can build cabinets no problem (yeah, I do woodworking) and I want to keep them looking like Belles with the "top hats" and grills. The mid horns will be tough to come across at a decent price it seems so I thought about a 2-way using K-63's like the CF-3's or the EV 1506's or.... But what horn should I use for a 2 way and keep the same height as the stock Belle? Or just go 3 way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avguytx Posted October 21, 2015 Author Share Posted October 21, 2015 Oh, and amplification wise, I've got a couple of 12wpc tube amps to work with then it goes to S/S ranging from 100wpc to 400wpc which I know is not needed. Ultimately these will end up in a room above my garage I'm redoing for just this purpose that will be about 14' wide x 24' deep and will have that kind of typical attic ceiling to it. (A shape) I'll do some sound absorption where needed. I may run active crossover to start since I can go tube on LF and HF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moray james Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Ithink that a large format driver would be a better candidate to consider after all you are after high output with low distortion. How loud you may want to play is of little importance you want the lowest distortion driver you can find. For a small format driver the DH 1506 is a nice one and it fits very well to the CF3/4 horn. I am using a DH1A fitted with a double cutaway Karlson K-Tube, the extender nose cup of the DH1A has been removed and it is now a 1.4" exit driver with a three inch diaphragm which is a very nice compromise Altec has drivers which sound good too JBL lots of other options Fatial Pro have a 1.4" exit driver but the old drivers will be the least expensive options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 But what horn should I use for a 2 way and keep the same height as the stock Belle? The K510 works with the LaScala. I'd presume it would also work with the Belle. I'd imagine it would fit inside the top but I don't know for sure. I can take measurements of one if you want. Moray is correct.....large format is going to be the cat's meow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 The 510 looks like it's 15x9 outer dimension and around 13 1/2 x 7 for the rough opening (numbers are darn close but might not be exact) Pay no attention to the striped tail in the background of the first picture.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avguytx Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) Haha. Yeah, I saw that tail in there. It looks like the height on a stock top section is 8.5"on the inside (9.5" total height) and the plans I saw for the Belle's with the 510 horns were built with 9.5" inside section so that's doable. So large format going 2-way route sounds like the recommendation. I've no problem going the 2-way route and I know that resale won't be like originals but I don't really plan on that part. Yeah, I've said that before. Ha Thanks for those measurements on the 510. Edited October 22, 2015 by avguytx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avguytx Posted October 22, 2015 Author Share Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) And just how much are a pair of K510's? Is the $750 tag I've seen right? Edited October 22, 2015 by avguytx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moray james Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) if you want to start off with small format the CF3/4 horn (one inch throat)is very close to the same overall size as the K510 so it will have the same kind or range and similar polars to the K510 but the K510 will have lower distortion though as it has a larger diaphragm driving it. The DH 1506 is actually recommended for use at a crossover of 500Hz.. . Edited October 22, 2015 by moray james Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djk Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 "The DH 1506 is actually recommended for use at a crossover of 500Hz.. ." If the horn is big enough, and the power rating goes way down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avguytx Posted October 24, 2015 Author Share Posted October 24, 2015 But what's the price on 510's? If they are 759/pr, I might search/drive farther to buy a pair. Cabinets are a breeze...it's the other parts. :\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 I don't know a price. You would need to find out from someone who's perhaps bought them or, call a dealer yourself (Panecea Engineering, American Cinema, others...) That said, my rough understanding is, they are 'about' $750 for the horn lens and the K69 driver. No tray to mount them on (like comes with the K402) and no complimentary chocolate mint on your pillow. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantilope Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) I think the $750 does not include the driver... I am right here with you... I got some cash and need to fix my mid-horn. I definatly want a K510 and I am leaning toward the Ashly Protea 4x8 for a crossover but it doubles the number of channels as a passive would require, and is balanced. I think I want my McIntosh MC2205 on the woofers and something tube on top, maybe a Bob Latino ST120 or drop the SS and get dual ST120s. I do have an appointment next weekend to audition a new pair of Mc275s. I dropped in the Eminece Kappa 15"s yesterday into my Belles. Like what they did. Coytee, your advice sent me the horn loaded sub direction. I trust your ear. That was very good advice. Edited October 24, 2015 by Cantilope Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coytee Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Thank you for the kind words Cantilope. My understanding is, Klipsch does not sell horns without drivers attached to them. They don't want to get into the 'parts business'. That said, it wouldn't surprise me that a DEALER might sell a horn lens without the driver. Back when I bought my stuff, the going price that I was told would be a good ballpark price to use was "about $1,200 for a K402/K69" and "about $750 for a K510/K69" Back in 2006/2007 the price 'quoted' (guessed at) would have in fact included a driver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avguytx Posted October 24, 2015 Author Share Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) I do know a Klipsch dealer....known them for 30 years. Might be something I look into possibly. Edited October 24, 2015 by avguytx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cantilope Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 I have inquired at Pancea Engineering about the K510/69. I'll let you know if and when I hear back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avguytx Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 What about the Fastrac Belle horns? Seems "reasonable" at $475 for the pair versus $750+. Any downside to these? I wish I knew more about building horns since the cabinet building is no big deal. But I don't know the philosophy in them. http://www.fastlaneaudio.com/fastrac-belle.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestonTom Posted October 26, 2015 Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) Let me correct something. The price of a pair of K-510s (with drivers) is not around $750. That is probably a ballpark price for a single. BTW, the K-510 will sound very good, especially in a room with a high ceiling if you are crossing them at less than about 1500 Hz (which is the case here). Edited October 26, 2015 by PrestonTom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avguytx Posted October 26, 2015 Author Share Posted October 26, 2015 (edited) They may start out in my living room which is 10' ceilings for now but ultimately will be going to the room I'm building above the garage which will be about 14 x 25 but ceilings at highest will be 7-1/2 to 8' with about a 4' wide section at the top of the ceiling and sloping downward to the sides like a lot of A-frames are built in attics around here. Similar to this but bigger (not my image) Edited October 26, 2015 by avguytx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avguytx Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share Posted November 4, 2015 (edited) Anyone in Arkansas ever find a source for Baltic birch per chance? Getting ready to at least start on the cabinets sometime soon. The 3/4" 4 x 8 "Top Choice Birch Plywood" at Lowes doesn't seem to get favorable reviews and is made in China, it says. So that's out. The Home Depot 3/4" Birch is about the same price and gets better reviews but that top layer of veneer looks really thin. Ridout Lumbar Company doesn't carry it in any of their locations. (I live in Searcy where main owners are at....went to school with them) Cedar Creek in Little Rock carries the 1/2" 7-ply in 5 x 5' sheets. As far as woofers go, is the main choice the Citres 1526 or 1526C and the Kappa 15C? That's Eminence, right? Edited November 4, 2015 by avguytx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avguytx Posted November 4, 2015 Author Share Posted November 4, 2015 Ok, found it. Acadian Wood Products in Little Rock carries it. B/CP rated 5' x 5' in 3/4" runs $35.75 per sheet and 4 x 8 runs $63.50 per sheet. Awesome. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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