Klipschguy Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 Look bone stock and virgin to me - leave 'em alone. Start looking at room, room placement and amplification. Great looking pair. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBrennan Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 Mobile---That wire ain't certified by me, PWK put it in there. But what in the Hell did he know anyway? www.chicagohornspeakerclub.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBrennan Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 Johnson---A couple of possibilities. The speakers might sound better with different electronics. or The speaker's basic "voice" is not to your liking. There are what I consider problems with the tweeter and midrange horn. Perhaps you consider the same things problems. Don't judge all horns by Klipsch, there are horn speakers out there that sound much different than Klipsches. www.chicagohornspeakerclub.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjohnsonhp Posted September 4, 2002 Author Share Posted September 4, 2002 I think a quick listen to Corns with better electronics would be very helpful...one with SS and another with tube. I'll then go buy the perscription. I must say that when I listen to movies the sound is really impressive. I kept my cheap 500W/12" CSW sub on from my old system and watched parts of U571, Star Wars Ep1 and MI-2. It was awesome! I can only image the difference once I replace the 3 other speakers and sub! Music CD's are much louder and I back off on the volume from say 11:00 to just under 9:00 (clock face position of volume knob). I then enjoy the music, too. THANKS for all the ideas and comments! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile homeless Posted September 4, 2002 Share Posted September 4, 2002 Tom, look at the picture with the "back" label. Yes, it is the SPEAKER wire, not the internal wire going to the crossover or the drivers. Hey, do I make mistakes like that? heh.... As for the CW sound, if only you had heard what they are capable of. kh This message has been edited by mobile homeless on 09-05-2002 at 12:06 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjohnsonhp Posted September 5, 2002 Author Share Posted September 5, 2002 It's interesting that I hired a high-end HT firm to wire my room prior to building it. Although the firm focuses on $50K+ installs I guess they were positioning my room for a budget 5.1 sound system and expensive DLP projector. $15k in projection, $5k in sound. A couple years later I'm putting more focus on sound and may wish I ran better cables through the walls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vavoline Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 Just curious. Who wired your HT? Hillcrest HF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBrennan Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 Mobile---Ah, I see. In any case how do you know the wire is crummy? Do you know what wire it is even? You're painting with a broad brush. I know what CWs sound like, I've heard them with a variety of stuff and I've modified them too. It's a good speaker but it does have problems. I think that when you become exposed to a wider variety of horn speakers you might become aware of the CW's shortcomings. On the other hand maybe not, it's all subjective. My best friend prefers the CWs to the Altec 605s, that's why we traded my CWs for his 605s. But IMO the 605 is a much better speaker, WAY better. But it has it's weaknesses too. www.chicagohornspeakerclub.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike82 Posted September 5, 2002 Share Posted September 5, 2002 I pretty much agree with Mobile and the others that recommend getting into tubes. I, too, used to scoff at Klipsch until I heard them with SET amps. /that was a real epiphany!!! I now use '85 K-horns in my main system. The transparency of the Heritage series allows them to showcase the warts of cheap and mid-fi solid state gear. I'd also re-wire the innards. Copper oxidizes over time no matter how good the jacket/insulation is. My K-horns wiring was stock. It had a translucent jacket and the wire itself was black!! Partial re-wiring with some spare Silverline Audioconductor made an improvement, both in transparency and removing some of the "edge". My ALK crossover should be here tommorrow. When it arrives, I'm going to rewire the entire speaker with Anal Plus cable. I'll post my impressions when the job is finished. ------------------ 2 Channel Transport: CEC TL-2X DAC: Audiomat Maestro Pre-amp: Wyetech Jade Amps: Jeff Korneff 45 Interconnects/Speaker cable: Analysis Plus Solo Monocrystal Power cords/line conditioner: CPCC Top Gun, Model 11, Super Power Block Equip Stand: Grand Prix Audio Monaco Belle Klipsch, K-horns Second system- My dad's old Fisher 400-refurbished, Heresy II, Vecteur Variation CD player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjohnsonhp Posted September 5, 2002 Author Share Posted September 5, 2002 <img src="http://members.aol.com/kjohnsonhp/wire.jpg"> For the record here is my speaker wire installed by Performance Audio Video of Flower Mound,TX dealer in Snell speakers, Lexicon, Runco, etc. THX certified. The recommendation was to use a projector for a big screen home theatre for the entire family...not audiophile music. I'm now trying to get the music setup first then I'll pursue HT. As you can see in the attached my challenge is the roof line. Cornwalls fit nicely in corners where the old Pioneer speakers stand in the photo. However, it limits my ability to use KHorns and the screen size. I'm leaning towards a 65" rear projectoring TV instead of a DLP projector...should be plenty big given the 20' depth of room with listening position about 2/3's back. The room is evolving from a kids play room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisK Posted September 6, 2002 Share Posted September 6, 2002 kjohnsonhp, Started out just like you. Had an all Klipsch HT system. Got a free pair of Cornwalls from a friend. Listening to 2 channel music was, at best, uninspiring. Now thanks to Kelly et al, I feel like Bebe Rebozo or one of the guys at Enron with slush funds and offshore accounts for the purpose of hiding audio expenses from the boss. All kidding aside, their "get tubes" advice was spot on for me. I began with a Decware Zen. Wow, what a difference from my HT receiver for 2 channel. Now I have a Cary 300SEI amp with a vinyl front end that simply sounds fantastic. BTW, wish I had kept the Decware. I'll probably be buying another one for a second system in my....er....our bedroom. Regards, Chris ------------------ click below to see my rig http://cgi.AudioAsylum.com/systems/2235.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Robinson Posted September 8, 2002 Share Posted September 8, 2002 One other comment ... the hiplines on your cathedral ceiling sound very approximate to your Cornwall high end (about the same height off the ground). The highs will bounce off surfaces like your ceiling, so you might be getting a lot of reflections and reverberation going on there too. I too have a separate room for my 2-ch system. The HT is one-time set-up ... However, having a dedicated 2-ch system lets me tweak without destabilizing the setup. BTW, my Khorns were VERY screetchy with my first amp (AES SuperAmp (tube)) ... The Eico HF-81 is much smoother and easier on the ears when playing marginal recordings. All the Heritage series are very revealing of poor digital recordings; unfortunately, there are many, but the good ones sound fabulous. ------------------ "Bullsh*t!" -PWK- --------------------- TWO-CHANNEL SYSTEM Eico HF-81 Eico HFT-90 New Tube 4000 CD Player 1976 Klipschorns (KCBR's & ALK'ed) HOME THEATER Klipsch 1968 ALK Cornwall "II"s (LF/RF) ALK Belle Klipsch (Center) Klipsch Heresy (RR/LR) Klipsch KSW-12 sub Sonic Frontiers Anthem AMP1 (driving Cornwalls) Sonic Frontiers Anthem AMP1 (driving Heresy's) Denon AVR-4800 Toshiba SD-3109 DVD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShapeShifter Posted September 8, 2002 Share Posted September 8, 2002 Better amplification, acoustically treat the room and careful selection in the media you choose. I feel these considerations will yield major sonic benefits. ------------------ KLIPSCH IS MUSICf> My Systems f>s>c> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjohnsonhp Posted September 8, 2002 Author Share Posted September 8, 2002 Thanks for all the ideas! I'm looking for a tube amp. My antique radio restoration friend and tube collector said he would restore an amp for the cost of parts so I'm looking for something that won't take up too much of his time....or something that won't need his services. I'm not sure where to look other than audiogon & ebay. The Decware Zen amp seemed like a good value and I like their 30-day trial but the two posts on that amp resulted in returns. Finding an amp and a pre-amp may take some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leok Posted September 8, 2002 Share Posted September 8, 2002 With a good amp you may not require a "preamp." A simple attenuator with source switching may be preferable, simpler, and better sounding. Creek makes the OBH-12, for example. Your example makes me think you're hearing the ss amp transition from class-A to class-B operation and you hear a load of crossover distortion. Just a guess. Anyway, a good class A SS or decent tube amp should get you out of the woods. leok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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