RayCanales Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 well I have not heard either the SVS or the HSU but have heard from all you folks that they are great subs. I currently own a Velodyne HGS 18 and it does a decent job in setup but Im thinking about upgrading to something a little faster all the subs that I have heard sound like farting underwater. just my opinion I have a pair of Belles up front and want to place them on top of 2 of these boys. I want to drive them with a 1000W Per Channel PA Amp Peavey, or something like that and I want your ideas. anyway here is what Im thinking of getting for the belles http://www.decware.com/wicked1.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe11 Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 ---------------- On 2/17/2003 8:33:26 PM RayCanales wrote: well I have not heard either the SVS or the HSU but have heard from all you folks that they are great subs. I currently own a Velodyne HGS 18 and it does a decent job in setup but Im thinking about upgrading to something a little faster all the subs that I have heard sound like farting underwater. just my opinion I have a pair of Belles up front and want to place them on top of 2 of these boys. I want to drive them with a 1000W Per Channel PA Amp Peavey, or something like that and I want your ideas. anyway here is what Im thinking of getting for the belles http://www.decware.com/wicked1.htm ---------------- RayCanalas is a salesman for Hsu, SVS, Velodyne and a DIY dealer!!!!! Sorry Ray I couldn't help myself. ~shoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 El Sinor Canales, La revolution in da subwooferos is una grossa woofera. ANTI VELODYNE! BURN HIM! BURN HIM! LOL Prepare two ropes,the other one is reserved for James "The PeeWee" Pheele. You are lucky Canales,we will use two ropes to hang The PeeWee Now where is the gas canister? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 I hear ya,I don't think you have auditioned at home the rsw 15.For my money it blew away all others,even higher rated than the ones mentioned.This is one sub that ANYONE buying a quality sub should demo at home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted February 17, 2003 Share Posted February 17, 2003 Yes a RSW15 is a great sub,I have a RSW10 and 15.Great punch and fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayCanales Posted February 17, 2003 Author Share Posted February 17, 2003 so you guys think that the KSW 15 would be a better choice that then wicked one or the SVS sub, i want something that hits in the chest and goes low low.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Invidiosulus Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 ---------------- On 2/17/2003 11:50:28 PM RayCanales wrote: so you guys think that the KSW 15 would be a better choice that then wicked one or the SVS sub, i want something that hits in the chest and goes low low.. ---------------- No no no, The KSW is nothing at all like the RSW series. The KSW series is reported to be much looser and more floppy sounding then the venerable RSW series. I have heard some good things about the Decware sub but I have never heard them in person. Peace, Josh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 TRUE,the ksw ain't no RSW.Everyone has a different set up,room,requirements.For my mostly music set up I prefered the rsw 15,lots of in your chest power,and a nice message to boot.If you want lowwww,its hard to beat SVS at its prices and stellar service.I think the Ear will agree,the velo,svs,and klipsch are the ones you want,yee haw! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayCanales Posted February 18, 2003 Author Share Posted February 18, 2003 The Reason for the DECWARE is I want Fast Bass I believe that the only Fast and True Bass will come out of a Folded Horn enclosure, now the problem is what is a good amp to drive these things with Plate vs Rack Mount I was thinking about going with a Peavey 1000 Watt.. sorry for all the dumb questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael hurd Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 Pardon my english, but there is no such thing as " fast " bass. You may be referring to higher frequency bass, but that is not what a velodyne is going to give you. If you want higher frequency bass and a " kick in the chest " you are better off going with something with a higher tuning frequency like the ksw series or better yet the sony wm-40. That my friend will give you the only true and " fast " bass. Maybe a couple of accoustimass modules is all you need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audible Nectar Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 Sounds to me like Mr Canales needs something above and beyond the call. Hmmmmm.....HGS18 is insufficient? Not enough output?? Have you considered the SVS B4?? This puppy reads like one huge seismic beast - high output, goes very low. As SVS claims, a true "weapon of mass destruction". Not TOO large a unit, considering what it is capable of (which is more than a pair of SVS Ultras. Another huge "seismic" beast is the Edgarhorn seismic subwoofer. True horn loaded bass, in a cabinet the size of a refrigerator. Made by Bruce Edgar, who knows just a bit about horns (and real horn loaded bass). The one I would really like to have (just no room for this beast in the HT room). You can buy this in kit form for just over $1000, built for you for about $3000. Then there's the professional woofer cabinet option, and there happens to be one that may work for you on ebay (and it's in San Antonio as well). It is the Klipsch KTP-484 professional bass cabinet, item number 2509471842 on ebay (or wherever place you can get one). 130db max output, 105 db/1w/1m efficiency, goes down to 30 hz. I use similar JBL cabinets and get very good results - you will need the appropriate amps and crossovers to drive these. When you are talking subs for Heritage, you should look at high efficiency, high output designs for the best "match". My guess is the HGS goes low enough, but is not efficient enough or high enough output for you or your Belles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 Of course there is such a thing as fast bass. It refers to the speed of the attack. Attack refers to the slope, timing and peak of the leading edge of the note. It is not unusual for horn lovers to wish for a bass unit that exhibits the quick dynamics of their horns. Many hornies, like Tom Brennen, say that only horn loaded bass can keep up with mid-range horns. It is hard to imagine that the Velodyne does not have enough punch for you, perhaps, you want more upper bass output? In that case, the RSW series is much better. Go to the excellent article at http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_8_4/subwoofers-12-2001.html and see for your self. The RSW sub has the most output in that region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayCanales Posted February 18, 2003 Author Share Posted February 18, 2003 pardon My English but there is FAST BASS ... and i strongly believe I can only get that out of a Folded Horn Enclosure that is why the DEC ware was my option.. as for the KSW I have heard that and my POS Velodyne blows it away the Sony I have never heard but if it is like anything else in speakers that they make it is probably junk, and as for the Acoustimass well they are simply the best my daughter has some of those with my old HGS12 and a pair of old Fortes and she seems to like them I think she uses the bose for looks only Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Posted February 18, 2003 Share Posted February 18, 2003 Sony wm40? try a string with a can and frisbee for dispersal,now thats an econo sub!I really don't want to knock sony but please don't compare to svs, klipsch rsw,velo etc.For someone starting on a tight budget it may do,but I thought we were talking about real bass output. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horonzak Posted February 20, 2003 Share Posted February 20, 2003 If you want FAST BASS try 4 per channel JBL 1500al woofers (at $ 2000 ea.)total of eight. they will rip the green off your teeth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted February 20, 2003 Share Posted February 20, 2003 Excuse me,who in the blue hell would compare a trash can Sony WM40,a piece of compost filler with a class product like a Klipsch RSW,Velodyne HGS,Sunfire,HSU or SVS. Please stop this it is not even funny For anyone who still does not get it... SONY WM40 = GARBAGE,BOOMY,UNDEFINED,PEAKY,WEAK,POOR QUALITY In one word A JOKE And dont tell ME its a great product because a few clowns on AudioReview.com posted great things about it.These users are all newbies and dont have a clue what a great subwoofer is all about.They NEVER...EEEVER heard a well set up Velo HGS18,Revel B15 or Aerial SW12. I have and I own these.and just for laughs I took home a WM40,damn what a joke this poor excuse for a sub is.BOOMY AND BOOMY and SO UNDEFINED its a crime.Its designer should do time for its design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayCanales Posted February 21, 2003 Author Share Posted February 21, 2003 and I thought that when I referred to the Sony as Junk I was being nice. TheEar you said it all. anyone that would recommend that Junk with a pair of Acoustimess obviously has a problem. not that my system is better than most but it rocks and rolls. even though I do need to replace that old junker 50" plasma for a 60" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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