Audio Flynn Posted January 8, 2005 Share Posted January 8, 2005 I have an AQ and a Better Cables. Opinions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audio Flynn Posted January 9, 2005 Author Share Posted January 9, 2005 so no one uses coaxial digital? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 For anything but the most critical components in a hi-end system: http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=181-626 Or, because I sell them and get them cheap, I use: http://www.araccessories.com/Cultures/en-US/Recoton+AR/Product+Catalog.htm?ModelNum=AP070&CatalogNavigationBreadCrumbs=Recoton%20-%20Acoustic%20Research;Premium%20Interconnects;Performance%20Series;Audio%20Interconnects;Digital%20Coax%20Cable&ProductDetail=YES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Oh, the two brands you mentioned are very nice. I also have access to AQ cables and just bought their Sub-X for my woof woof. Nice cable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMcGoo Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 AQ is over rated IMO. All that is required is a true 75 ohm shielded coax with good conectors. Personally, I prefer IEEE 1394 with rate control. Quality DAC's that eliminate jitter by reclocking the signal are more important than the digital coax used to get the siganl there. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 ---------------- On 1/9/2005 1:21:46 AM MrMcGoo wrote: AQ is over rated IMO. All that is required is a true 75 ohm shielded coax with good conectors. Personally, I prefer IEEE 1394 with rate control. Quality DAC's that eliminate jitter by reclocking the signal are more important than the digital coax used to get the siganl there. Bill ---------------- Well, if you visit AQ's site, you will realize they sell their 75ohm composite video cables as their entry digital coax cables! They start at ~$25 (VDM-A) for a 2 meter one - not that bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meuge Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 I have a dual shielded true 75-ohm DIY cable. Cost me less than a dollar per foot plus connectors and techflex. Works perfectly fine. I think you have to realize that digital transmission is very close to all-or-nothing. If the signal is degraded enough to make a difference in sound, it's been compomised enough for the link to cease altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 ---------------- On 1/9/2005 1:31:03 AM meuge wrote: I have a dual shielded true 75-ohm DIY cable. Cost me less than a dollar per foot plus connectors and techflex. Works perfectly fine. I think you have to realize that digital transmission is very close to all-or-nothing. If the signal is degraded enough to make a difference in sound, it's been compomised enough for the link to cease altogether. ---------------- I agree, but there ARE other factors: -Build quality -Looks -Pride -Preceived improvement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 No point in arguing with him, Ken. He'll stomp his feet and yell all day that no one needs anything but RF coax for all their RCA-tipped connection cables. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 ---------------- On 1/9/2005 9:47:59 AM Griffinator wrote: No point in arguing with him, Ken. He'll stomp his feet and yell all day that no one needs anything but RF coax for all their RCA-tipped connection cables. ---------------- The digital coax cable that connests my computer to my receiver cost me $4.50. Need I say more? I am talking about why some people, including ones who know they don't need a more expensive cable, would buy it. Audio jewelery. I also use 12 AWG speaker wire from the Depot, Home Depot, terminated with AR banana plugs that cost me $1 for 4 connectors. I do not use any Monster products in my system and I bought the AQ sub cable for a few other reasons. Get the idea where I am coming from with cables? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 ---------------- On 1/9/2005 11:09:41 AM kenratboy wrote: The digital coax cable that connests my computer to my receiver cost me $4.50. Need I say more? I am talking about why some people, including ones who know they don't need a more expensive cable, would buy it. Audio jewelery. I also use 12 AWG speaker wire from the Depot, Home Depot, terminated with AR banana plugs that cost me $1 for 4 connectors. I do not use any Monster products in my system and I bought the AQ sub cable for a few other reasons. Get the idea where I am coming from with cables? ---------------- I hear ya. I'm not that far off of your thinking, either. However, we're talking about a guy who absolutely insists that solid-center-conductor 75Ohm coax is perfectly acceptable for any and all audio applications requiring RCA terminations. I was just pointing that out before you engaged in a debate with him about the merits of something slightly better constructed than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Griff, I hear ya! However, a piece of RG59 or RG6 with coax to RCA converters doesn't look nearly as cool as a dedicated RCA cable I agree with Audioholics cable section - cables will all sound the same if they are designed well. It doesn't hurt to have them look pretty, too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougdrake Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 "However, a piece of RG59 or RG6 with coax to RCA converters doesn't look nearly as cool as a dedicated RCA cable " As an aside, PartsExpress sells RCA connectors for RG-x cable, so you don't need a converter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meuge Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 ---------------- On 1/9/2005 9:47:59 AM Griffinator wrote: No point in arguing with him, Ken. He'll stomp his feet and yell all day that no one needs anything but RF coax for all their RCA-tipped connection cables. ---------------- ---------------- On 1/9/2005 9:47:59 AM Griffinator wrote: I hear ya. I'm not that far off of your thinking, either. However, we're talking about a guy who absolutely insists that solid-center-conductor 75Ohm coax is perfectly acceptable for any and all audio applications requiring RCA terminations. I was just pointing that out before you engaged in a debate with him about the merits of something slightly better constructed than that. ---------------- What the hell? I don't understand Griff - did I offend you or something? I don't remember ever writing anything like that, nor do I remember actually engaging in a debate with anyone about the merits of cable construction. Oh, and by the way, I used Belden stranded core coax for my digital connections. And I would argue that my cables don't look any worse than most things you can buy, and the build quality is very good, I assure you. Now I will put the digital (or analog) cables I make up for a Pepsi challenge anytime. I'll bet my tuition that not in a million years will they be statistically different in an ABX test. Next you want to put someone down, why don't you look in the mirror, you'll find a really good target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KMyers Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Why would anyone use a coax cable for digital? Last is a lil' out dated dont you think? Yesterdays news!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meuge Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 I used the coax for digital because when I was initially making the cables, I couldn't find a dual-shielded twisted pair that I liked. Since then, I've used strictly twisted pair cables, but when I made one for a friend, I substituted it into my system and was unable to hear the difference, so I concluded that there was no point in redoing them at this point. That's for digital cables only. My analog interconnects have always been twisted pair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boomer9911 Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 using Kimber Cable for Dig Coax, like the StraightWire Silver Link II also... I believe it to be far better than optical..light, give me a break Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenratboy Posted January 9, 2005 Share Posted January 9, 2005 Can we all at least agree that it is OK to use expensive cable just because we want it? Kinda like a nice AV rack, just a 'nice thing' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougdrake Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 "Why would anyone use a coax cable for digital? Last is a lil' out dated dont you think? Yesterdays news!!!" Compared to what, Toslink/fiber that's been around in consumer gear for 20 years? Wonder why it is that more and more higher-end receivers/pre-amps are INCREASING the number of coax digital inputs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noobzilla Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 I make mine out of Canare L-5CFB coax cable with their RCAP RCA connectors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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