Parrot Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 Erik, If you're going to play Pat Metheny, it really doesn't matter what equipment you use, because he's always going to sound bad. Can someone prefer the sound of weak, ineffectual amps? Obviously. (One guy likes them so much he pretends like he owns them!) Can someone like everything he has ever heard, pat himself on the back for being an audio cosmopolitan? Again, obviously, yes. Why do you continue to advance this silly strawman argument, that I somehow told you that you weren't permitted to listen to headphones while sitting next to your wife. Are you trying to get sympathy? In a nutshell, if you find better bass in a pair of headphones than you do your Klipschorns, there is something wrong. I have already discussed the most obvious possibilities. If you insist on your right to get less satisfaction out of your Klipschorns than you could, that's up to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwinr Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 My system, or should I say, the one I used to own, demonstrated superior dynamic range. My friends that have heard it, have commented how much more 'alive' it sounded compared to their own systms. Some are VERY expensive. I have an expensive pair of headphones. There is no way I can enjoy listening to music with them on. The sound is shut-in, dry, lacking attack and atmosphere. Some audio systems may sound like this. Perhaps the case may be, that those that own such audio systems, don't notice such a difference between their main system and their headphones. Therefore listening to headphones is not as traumatic to them it may be to others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Songer Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 I have never owned a pair of headphones. Or a "Walkman." Or an "ipod." I have tried to listen but after about 5 minutes I have had enough. I think the sound waves have to hit you and bounce around the room a bit in order to sound real. At least that's true for me and my puny 30 watt amps. Pat Metheny does NOT suck, by the way. His ealy LPs with Lyle Mays are excellent and "Song X" with Ornette Coleman is a GREAT record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwinr Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 Actually, there are some very good headphones on the market. Mine cost $300. But some other cost MUCH more than that. I'd be interested in listening to some of those electrostatic models. I wonder if they may offer some of the 'air' missing from the usual dynamic type headphones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwinr Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 I don't think your 30 watt amplifiers would be classified as puny Alan, depending on the loudspeaker they're matched to. With Klipschorns, I believe PWK suggested this would be an ideal power output to start with. I agree about the need for the music to bounce around the room a little before reaching our ears. There are some headphone brands, though, that have attempted to recreate a room like feel when listening to them via the utilisation of DSP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 I listened to these at a show recently: http://elusivedisc.com/prodinfo.asp?number=AKGK1000 These headphones are kept away from pressing on your ears at all. If you put these on, you look like a spaceman. Couldn't evaluate them properly because the headphone amp they were using to drive them was totally inadequate for the job. Stax electrostatic headphones do sound good (for headphones), a whole different presentation than normal headphones. I don't know if they are too much of a good thing or not because I've auditioned them only at stores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Mandaville Posted May 25, 2005 Author Share Posted May 25, 2005 Paul: "If you insist on your right to get less satisfaction out of your Klipschorns than you could, that's up to you." They are a work in progress, Paul. I recently tried the Altec mid-horn Shawn sent me, and it is a beautiful sounding horn. So, I try things from time to time, but try to enjoy music more. Building different amplifiers is within my reach, and so I have the flexibility of altering that aspect of it if I want. As for the quote above regarding my wish to enjoy my system in the way that works best for me, I would say "Yes, I would prefer to do that." Thanks for acknowledging the fact that it's my choice to do whatever I want with it, despite whether it's in agreement with your way of listening and thinking or not. Remember, what works best for you might not necessarily be the same for someone else. If making fun of the choices people make with music or playback equipment is as high on your agenda as it seems to be, may I submit that you could be getting more out of your Klipschorns as well. Take care, Paul. I'm done! Erik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Landau Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 ---------------- On 5/25/2005 6:08:25 PM Erik Mandaville wrote: Take care, Paul. I'm done! Erik ---------------- Finally Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 Not so fast, Guy. If people can pretend to own amps, we can pretend that Erik is still here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Champagne taste beer budget Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 Come on guys, tell the truth. You all know that a blue car can't possibly handle or accelerate as well as a red one, don't you? Anyone that own's a blue car is simply showing their ignorance of performance to the rest of the world, not to mention their horrendous lack of taste or class. I don't know why they even make blue cars anymore. You'd think that once someone had ridden in a red car, they'd see the light and never be caught dead behind the wheel or a blue car again. Then again, there's just no accounting for some peoples taste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo33 Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 "If only you could convince people to throw out their Diana Krall CDs, then there might be some progress in the world." Paul, would you like to listen to Mrs. Krall on my Moondogs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwinr Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 ---------------- On 5/25/2005 6:51:16 PM neo33 wrote: Paul, would you like to listen to Mrs. Krall on my Moondogs? ---------------- Come on, Neo! Nothing could make this anaemic songbird trill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 ---------------- On 5/25/2005 7:06:51 PM edwinr wrote: Come on, Neo! Nothing could make this anaemic songbird trill. ---------------- "Nothing" is the exact right word here, Edwin. Right, Neo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo33 Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 uh...left, Paul? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwinr Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 ---------------- On 5/25/2005 7:23:18 PM neo33 wrote: uh...left, Paul? ---------------- Your best comeback yet, Neo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guy Landau Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 Neo, How on earth have you managed to escape that mental institution again? I thought that they'll manage to keep you longer this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwinr Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 I think he's still there. He's talking about Krall and Moondogs in the same breath Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo33 Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 What's up, Edwin? Long time no see. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwinr Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 Hey, buddy. How are you? It's been boring without you. I've been razzing poor Alan Songer of late. You know the type of thing, I've been taking cheap shots, manipulating the truth, baiting, etc... The 'stuff' of the forum. Otherwise I've been pretty cool. Keep coming back, buddy. I need a good laugh... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khornn Posted May 25, 2005 Share Posted May 25, 2005 ---------------- On 5/25/2005 5:21:55 PM Parrot wrote: Erik, In a nutshell, if you find better bass in a pair of headphones than you do your Klipschorns, there is something wrong. I have already discussed the most obvious possibilities. If you insist on your right to get less satisfaction out of your Klipschorns than you could, that's up to you. ---------------- My, my. I would think even someone with a PhD in Trollology could grasp such a simple concept. Perhaps if you and little Eddy were not so preoccupied with giving one another verbal reach-arounds, you could find some time to educate yourselves. - Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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