iwillwalk Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 2 k-horns 4-heresy's 1 svs 25- 31 pc plus but being paralized i cant feel it until is VERY loud.what sub can give me the bass needed for the horns & me? my room is 16x 20 with 14 foot valtd ceilings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackmesa Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 Are you sure? I think you should get a SPL meter before throwing another 1000 or two. Perhaps all you need is an EQ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ancientdude Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 Location... Location is everything, I had my sub in a pretty open place and from sitting position it was almost non-existent (pc-ultra) suddenly...I placed it in a corner and the output was raised by 10 times...literally! It was amazing...wow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psg Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 I assume the KHorns are on the 20-foot wall... The sub would idealy be crossed-over at around 40Hz, right? You likely have enough sub unless you listen at 115 dB. I have a Hsu STF-3 and it blends in very well. Subs usually calibrate lower than we expect... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formica Posted June 3, 2005 Share Posted June 3, 2005 If the music, or movies, are very dynamic you will run out of clean bass long before stressing out the Khorns. ---------------- On 6/3/2005 9:07:20 PM psg wrote: You likely have enough sub unless you listen at 115 dB. ---------------- Yes... the peaks are at pretty loud volumes, but the avg SPL will be well below 110db. ---------------- On 6/3/2005 6:31:32 PM iwillwalk wrote: but being paralized i cant feel it until is VERY loud. ---------------- I never realized that although your alias seems obvious now. We are not talking just about a "matter of speech" , right? I opted to go with a DIY infinite baffle sub in hopes of keeping up with the khorns... and I don't dial it hot. If you are looking for a comercially available sub, I'd point towards the SVS PB12-Ultra/2 but it doesn't come inexpensively. Have you considered "bass shakers"?? it'll add the feel without overpowering your ears... Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwillwalk Posted June 4, 2005 Author Share Posted June 4, 2005 so you think he 25-31 is enough? because i use tgo run live sound so i love it LOUD.do you think the ultra would fill the void or go all the way? my promlem is my corners are full of k-horns & bass shakers would have to be on my wheelchair ??? build a false corner for the sub? that could be a topic on its own......hum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwillwalk Posted June 4, 2005 Author Share Posted June 4, 2005 can you put a sub in a closet? and if so how long can a sub cable run? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJJeffries Posted June 4, 2005 Share Posted June 4, 2005 I have a pair of Velodyne ULD 15/2 subs and the 16hz of the 32' Mighty Wurlitzer Diaphone pipes are felt in my neighbors China closet! LOL! I have them placed between the KHorns 2 feet out from the wall. Best, Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwillwalk Posted June 4, 2005 Author Share Posted June 4, 2005 my k-horns are fine the sub is distorting.gain about 1/2 way& crossed over at 40 hz thats my questio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psg Posted June 4, 2005 Share Posted June 4, 2005 Maybe the gain is simply too high. If you can borrow an SPL meter and a calibration DVD such as AVIA, you could find out. I'd guess most people have them set too high; really muddies up music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iwillwalk Posted June 4, 2005 Author Share Posted June 4, 2005 the gain is only 1/2 way up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formica Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 ---------------- On 6/4/2005 12:49:33 PM iwillwalk wrote: i use tgo run live sound so i love it LOUD.do you think the ultra would fill the void or go all the way? ... the sub is distorting.gain about 1/2 way& crossed over at 40 hz thats my questio ---------------- Well "loud" is a relative thing... but like I mentioned in my other post... khorns can do "loud" better than most subs. Your room is a decent size at 16x20 (not big nor small) and I'm guessing that it's very well possible that your sub is running out of steam. BTW, the "gain" knob really isn't an indication of subwoofer headroom... but rather you processors subwoofer output level. ---------------- build a false corner for the sub? that could be a topic on its own......hum ---------------- Corner placement will give you the loudest, but not necessarily the flattest bass. Optimising your placement or building a false corner won't provide the gain you seem to be looking for (±3db?) but may help somewhat. A more powerfull sub will take it a step further. What kind of budget you looking at? ---------------- bass shakers would have to be on my wheelchair ??? ---------------- If you live in a wood structure (wood framed home) you can place the bass shaker beneath the floor of your primary listening position. Placing it on your wheel chair really isn't a good option, as it'll restrict your movement. ---------------- can you put a sub in a closet? and if so how long can a sub cable run? ---------------- If you mean in a closet, but with the door open... Sure why not.... but it's performance will be similarly room dependant as placing directly in fornt of the closet. Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAS Posted June 5, 2005 Share Posted June 5, 2005 ---------------- On 6/4/2005 3:55:52 PM iwillwalk wrote: my k-horns are fine the sub is distorting.gain about 1/2 way& crossed over at 40 hz thats my questio ---------------- Don't pay any attention to the gain knob; in application terms it means nothing. What sub are you currently using? This would help me understand what you may mean by loud. If it's an RSW-15 or DD-18 then much louder by your definition may cost thousands more dollars, but if you're using a Best Buy/Circuit City bought sub then we can surely find you some more headroom. If you're not familiar with the SVS product mentioned previsouly (PB12Ultra2) then you may not be aware of its capabilities. I currently use in the HT a PB12+2 which is the step down from the Ultra TV-12 driver but still an earth mover. My brother said that on his way to his car in my driveway he could feel the pavement move (and the Ultra is more potent yet!). The SVS line is well known for its subsonic performance and may be the shake you're looking for. I love my entire Klipsch lineup but their subs just aren't designed for the powerful subsonic extension I desire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DrWho Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 Ya know, if you didn't want to use the closet anymore it could always be converted into an infinite baffle setup An IB setup might also be an option if you've got an attic above you or a basement below you. If you want more output all you have to do is keep adding drivers. (4 - 8 of any 15" IB sub should get you 120dB at 20Hz with only a 1000 watt or so amp) The real key here is how much you're willing to spend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted June 6, 2005 Share Posted June 6, 2005 For most people, an IB gives you cleaner, lower sound for less dollars than any commercial cub, internet direct or otherwise. If you had to pay someone to build it, you would loose the cost advantage. I don't think the poster would tackle such a project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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