Guy Landau Posted February 11, 2001 Share Posted February 11, 2001 Dear john, Is there a big difference in bass quality between your EV Patrician vs Khorn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-Man Posted February 11, 2001 Share Posted February 11, 2001 John, If you were here I would kick you in the butt. Looking at those nice pictures of yours reminded me of the EV Patrician that I wanted to try out. Today I took down the LaScalas that sit on top of my K-horns ( something I hate to do), and pulled the K-horns out of the corners. My intent was to install AL's networks in the K-horns, but I kept thinking of your pictures, so I decided to use AL's networks for a Patrician build. So I just stiffened up the falce corners & screwed them to the adjacent walls & wall unit. I was getting a slapping sound when they vibrated againts the side walls & wall unit. I even had to renail the base board that loosened up & was vibrating againts the walls. So all was not lost. I dug out some Patrician plans that Gil sent me a while back & I'm now comparing them to the K-horn plans. The Patrician is a 4-way, but I'll config a 3-way. I'm starting to look for an 18" woofer with similar paramters to the K-33-E woofer. If anyone can help me find one , I would appreciate it. The K-33-E T/S parrramters are. Znom = 4 ohms Revc = 3.5 ohms Levc =1.00 mh FS = 27 Hz SPLo = 92.3db SPLi = 91.13db Vas = 12.1130 cu ft. Qts = 0.633 Qes = 0.684 Qms = 8.500 BL = 9.77 TM Cms = 305 um/n Xmas = 4.000mm John, those squawkers of yours sound interesting. Guy, The Patrician is said to be solid down to 25 Hz. The bass horn is a copy of the K-horn , but 16% larger. Q. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Phillips Posted February 11, 2001 Share Posted February 11, 2001 MacKlipsch,nothing out of the ordinary when you click on my "little House"icon. The Klipschorns have ALK networks and the modified Heresy w/K-Horn sqauwker has an AA network with the tweeter caps changed to match the ALK's and woofer inductor matches too.And all three are bi-wired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted February 11, 2001 Share Posted February 11, 2001 John - nice work if you can get it oh my god Steve! guess I have to spend a lot more money on my system Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Warren Posted February 12, 2001 Share Posted February 12, 2001 Q-man, My Patrician plans came from Oct 1955 Audio magazine article written by Roy Allison. Very well detailed and includes a step by step procedure. I built the unit detailed in the article and used EV 18WK bass drivers, no decorator cabinet, utility look only. If you have different plans, lets copy and swap. Send me address off-line, I'll reply. Regarding construction, It is my opinion that the Patrician per the Audio mag plans is easier to build than the K-horn per factory plans. Also, high end roll-off of the Patrician starts around 250Hz, 3-way will leave a hole in the response unless you go horn loaded cone for mid-bass. LaScala atop Patrican folded unit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-Man Posted February 12, 2001 Share Posted February 12, 2001 John, I didn't realize the hign end roll-off of Patrician bass horn is only 250Hz . My plans say nothing about that. They do say it's crossover is at 200Hz . I was thinking that do to the woofer limitations, not the cabinet. The Patrician horn is so similar to the Klipschorn I assumed the cabinets high end roll-off would be more like the 400 Hz of the Klipschorn. So, this build won't be the one to use Al's networks in. Thanks for the info., Q. I'll be in touch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-Man Posted February 12, 2001 Share Posted February 12, 2001 John, I didn't realize the hign end roll-off of Patrician bass horn is only 250Hz . My plans say nothing about that. They do say it's crossover is at 200Hz . I was thinking that do to the woofer limitations, not the cabinet. The Patrician horn is so similar to the Klipschorn I assumed the cabinets high end roll-off would be more like the 400 Hz of the Klipschorn. So, this build won't be the one to use Al's networks in. Thanks for the info., Q. I'll be in touch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Klappenberger Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 Hi Guys, Ok.. I am joing the party! I have just set up a personal web site with my stereo equipment on it. You should be able to see it using the little house icon at the top of my posts. The site is not complete, only the pictures are there. They are very poor ones too. They were taken with one of those $6 throw-away cameras! Al K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacKlipsch Posted February 13, 2001 Author Share Posted February 13, 2001 Al, Good job....A Mcintosh man....That really warms my heart.... Fred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Klappenberger Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 Thanks Fred, I guess you noticed, the site is pretty much complete now (believe it or not). Al K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider124 Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 Hey Al, how do you like that LF-10 with your Belles? How is it set up? Live level, speaker level? Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Klappenberger Posted February 13, 2001 Share Posted February 13, 2001 Charlie, I have the LF-10 connected line input from the equalizer and line out to the center channel spliter box. I found it very hard to remove the interaction around the crossover at 100 Hz. The filter slope in the LF-10 is only 6 db / Octave. I don't think that's a steep enough slope. I plan to design and build an external active crossover and use the LFE input instead. I am able to get good response clear down to 20 Hz with it using the bass boost of the Mq104 equalizer. I like the LF-10 so far! I have only had it for about a week though. I got it off eBay. Al K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shock-Late Posted February 14, 2001 Share Posted February 14, 2001 quote: Originally posted by Seb: john, AMAZING WORK!! have you ever considered selling some of those? if so, i'd be VERY interested... where do you live? Seb, so you're finally seriously thinking about buying some big klipsches?? Great! now we'll be able to sing "il est des no-o-tres, il a bu son verre comme les au-au-tres!!" (stupid student song, don't think you sing that in Quebec...) regards, Frans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Warren Posted February 14, 2001 Share Posted February 14, 2001 Guy-Patrician bass output is impressive, organ pedal notes are reproduced with real weight. Down side is that it is a 4-way configuration a real pain to network. Need a decent mid-bass horn and complex CO network. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnysal Posted February 14, 2001 Share Posted February 14, 2001 al k., congrats on your site and lovely stereo system....!!!! tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q-Man Posted February 15, 2001 Share Posted February 15, 2001 MacKlipsch, You must really like coffee. Q. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacKlipsch Posted February 16, 2001 Author Share Posted February 16, 2001 Q, Good one.....I tried to bid $25 on that cup with a cap of $50, but the friggin thing just registered the $50 bid???? Not worth the hassle to try to cancel it...Why don't you bid $51 and get me off the hook? If I end up spending $50 for that cup, I'm planning on taking it on tour like the Stanley Cup...LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shock-Late Posted February 16, 2001 Share Posted February 16, 2001 quote: Originally posted by Malcolm: Just Heresys and subwoofer: 1966 with EV woofers, Type C network 1972 with CTS woofer, Type C 1974 different CTS woofer, Type E 1978 Eminence woofer, Type E Decware WO32 subwoofer All in various stages of being veneered with Narra, trimmed with Teak and covered with cane grills. http://midtown.net/blackhal/images/1966.jpg http://midtown.net/blackhal/images/1972.jpg http://midtown.net/blackhal/images/1974.jpg http://midtown.net/blackhal/images/1978.jpg http://midtown.net/blackhal/images/wo32.jpg http://midtown.net/blackhal/images/narra.jpg This Deckware WO32 sub looks cool!! could you tell us more about it?? Thanks!! Frans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnysal Posted February 16, 2001 Share Posted February 16, 2001 Hey Malcolm, start another thread and tell us about the electronics behind your system...for example, how are you driving the decware subs? I have the plans for that same sub, how hards did you find it to build? the instructions, I find, leave a little to be desired...regards, tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johns02 Posted March 5, 2001 Share Posted March 5, 2001 My current stereo system Lexicon DC-1 Bryston 4b, 3b , 4b McIntosh MC240 (highly modified) Klipsh KHorn Alk Crossovers ULD-15 subwoofer KEF- side,rears Klipsch - center Sony DVD Carver SDA260t tube cd player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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