Al Klappenberger Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 Dean, you big dope! You shove the horn end of tweeter through the hole from the back, not the magnet through the hole from the front! The hole is slightly wider than the horn. Al K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnysal Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 LOL! Tony p.s. sounds like you have a winner there Al! how similar are the beyma and the JBL 2404H dimension-wise? could I mount the JBL where the byme goes? P.P.S. Al, I figured out why he mounted the tweeter inside, you sent the thing preassembled, which means with the gril cloth on and everything...so he had to mount back there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Klappenberger Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 Here's a front and side view drawing of the K77 tweeter bracket as it mounts to the grill frame. Maybe it will explain it. Note the hole is wider than the horn but just tall enough to support the 4 original nounting screws. Al K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-MAN Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 I think that you are referring to "comb-filtering" effects caused by different soundpaths. This is only noticable when both drivers are producing the same frequencies. The higher frequencies are somewhat less effected because of the wavelengths involved are very short and are lower in SPL than lower frequencies which are far more noticable. The issue becomes somewhat moot with a steeper slope crossover. DM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Klappenberger Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 Tony, Thanks to Shawn Fogg (sfogg) who was kind enough to loan me a big JBL I was able to design a bracket for it. It's now one of the three standard tweeter brackets available: K77, Beyma CP25 and JBL 2404. Al K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Klappenberger Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 Tony, Here's the drawing of the optional JBL 2404 mounting bracket. Al k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnysal Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 great! now I just need to investiagte a bit more the crossover and I will be ready to place an order...tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Dee Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 ---------------- On 7/25/2005 2:16:56 PM Al Klappenberger wrote: Dean, you big dope! You shove the horn end of tweeter through the hole from the back, not the magnet through the hole from the front! The hole is slightly wider than the horn. Al K. ---------------- hehehe... you can get a new horn and a hard time all in the same location. Al, the is a genuinely OEM level mod. attaboy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raypenn Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 ---------------- On 7/24/2005 10:57:18 PM DeanG wrote: I mirror imaged my tweeters, and they are towards the inside. ---------------- Dean - As you may already know, I believe that you can simply flip the horn assembly 180 degrees (upside down) to change the orientation of the tweeter versus the horn(i.e. mirror inside, mirror outside, tweeter on left for both or tweeter on right for both). Your speakers are fairly close together, and I am wondering if you would get better imaging with the tweeters to the outside. Did you consciously decide to put the tweeters on the inside? Do you think that this is preferrable? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted July 25, 2005 Author Share Posted July 25, 2005 LOL, yeah, sometimes I can be a big dope! Hey, what can I say -- I was excited -- there wasn't time for thinking! I suppose I should flip those things just to see what it sounds like -- what do you guys think? Tony, you will find that you can finally step off the merry-go-round. There is such a rightness to the sound that you no longer sit in front of the speakers thinking about some tweak, or whatever else it might possibly take to pull it all together. As far as what network to run, I wouldn't worry a bit about it. I strongly suspect you can run anything you want. I've really been enjoying the sound of a simple first order type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Klappenberger Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 Dean, Actually, mounting the tweeter the way you did was a logical mistake. That's they way Klipsch always mounted them mainly becasue there is no gap between the front of the "motor board" and the grill cloth like you have here. I think a lot of people will do it the same way you did. If you decide to move them to the front, take a picture. It's abvious I am going to have to make a point of this in the installation instruction sheet. Al K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fini Posted July 25, 2005 Share Posted July 25, 2005 It's like pulling teeth to get Dean to answer me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al Klappenberger Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 Guys, Here's a quote from an email I received from Bill Martinelli of www.woodhorn.com. He took a look at this thread. This is the fellow who is building my Trachorn for me. I credit Bill not only with woodwork far superior to anything I could do but with comming up with an much better driver mounting board than I had intended. I think he sums up everything exactly: "I see some questions on the length of the new horn. Well, that's the beauty part of the tractrix curve used in a horn. It allows the same cutoff point yet is a shorter length horn than an exponential flair. This of course gives a wider dispersion than the longer horn. The new dispersion and peaks and valleys of the new horn are different than the old and probably allowing a more open and natural sound the Klipsch speakers have had pent up inside just waiting to release." Al K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted July 26, 2005 Author Share Posted July 26, 2005 I'm sorry Fini, I just caught the question about cost which you figured out on your own. It's doubtful that I'll be bringing the horns down south with me. Right now, I'm seriously thinking about flying down, so bringing them with me isn't all that practical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fini Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 Thanks, Dean. How about some networks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted July 26, 2005 Author Share Posted July 26, 2005 LOL, can you imagine the fiasco that would ensue at the airport after someone pulls one of those from by luggage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fini Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 Yeah, but wouldn't that make a great story? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3dzapper Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 I can see the title and headlines already: New New York Times New Bestseller "Dean Does Gitmo". Dean can do the circuit. Today, GMA, Fox And Friends, O'Riley speaking about the values of Klipsch and custom networks. Next thing you know ole Dean's a millionaire...... Hmmm that could be a catchy tune and a TV series or movie deal. Nic are you listening? Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jim-analog Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 Hi Dean, I'm glad you've had such a positive experience with the Thorns. I still kind of mixed; seems the relative frequency balance that I had previously was upset when the Thorns were installed. I've been trying all kinds of things to get it back. Transformer attenuators on both the tweeters and squakers now, adjusting and adjusting. Even an EQ (yuk!). BTW, Al Ks' tweeter attenuators are VERY nice units! I moved the Fostex to the squakers when they arrived. All in all, I think the Thorns are a great product, but require quite a bit of effort to dial in IME so far. Regards, Jim On 7/25/2005 10:08:47 PM DeanG wrote: Tony, you will find that you can finally step off the merry-go-round. There is such a rightness to the sound that you no longer sit in front of the speakers thinking about some tweak, or whatever else it might possibly take to pull it all together. As far as what network to run, I wouldn't worry a bit about it. I strongly suspect you can run anything you want. I've really been enjoying the sound of a simple first order type. ---------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnysal Posted July 26, 2005 Share Posted July 26, 2005 jim, what crossovers are you running on your speakers? can you describe a bit the whole system as it stands now? thanks, tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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