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Music compression and the loudness race.


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On 8/17/2005 10:31:02 PM Allan Songer wrote:

You gotta remember that even back in the glory days of engineering MOST people had CRAP systems. No different than today, really. I mean, is an iPod plugged into a docking station with a couple of Bose speakers really any worse than one of those all-in-one K-Mart Stereos most people had circa 1970?

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Have you even seen the Bose Sounddock? I think it mimics the sonic ability of a turd floating in a toilet.

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On 8/18/2005 10:27:30 PM mike stehr wrote:

The Klipsch forums are the WalMart of audio forums.

When was the last time you got yer dick wet, Dwagonfywo?

Wotta dildo........

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My insults were not aimed at others. They were direct replies to you and one other!

And thanks for your concern regarding my social life, but I doubt your occupied hand, sister, associates at your local wimpy bar, and the various farm animals wandering about your doublewide would appreciate your philandering concerns!

And as far as joining in your inbred redneck social soiree at WalMart, I will pass. I would indeed feel out of place without a sister to escort. And I am just 'plain out of practice' with my belching and my scratching!

But thank you for your numerous insightful technical contributions which are only surpassed by your literary prowess. Wait...what technical contributions!?

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I'm not being sarcastic. I enjoy D-fly's posts. Wish I could say the same for many other's that just pile on when there's blood in the water. I read posts for their content and insights usefull to me. When I see D-fly's blue text I know it's worth reading.

A modest proposal:

I've noticed in the various posts that there are distinct mindsets (no SET pun intended). Maybe we should adopt a color convention to help distinguish these.

SET proponents could be GREEN.

Those liking high power amps could be PINK.

Horn loaded bass could be PURPLE and cone bass could be YELLOW.

Sub enthusiats could be ORANGE.

Paul Parrot could be his own color, like BRIGHT RED?

Those that consistenly contribute value to the thread will likely prefer BLUE...

Paul

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While there is much of a factual and useful nature in his posts, it's a pain to sift through all the sociopathic douchebagerie. If his intent were to help or inform, they would be just as well written, but certainly less ascerbic. I don't think that the majority of active participants here need any type of spoon-feeding, I just really get the feeling that he's just lonely and mean, and it's ugly to read.

I have no beef with a pointed remark, or even strong feelings, but this guy is just systematically condescending, without regard to context.

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On 8/19/2005 11:03:47 PM ben. wrote:

While there is much of a factual and useful nature in his posts, it's a pain to sift through all the sociopathic douchebagerie.

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Ben, you've really impressed me this time. Sociopathic douchebagerie? You've got to be kidding!

I'm amazed you could think of such a term, not saying being able to spell it as well.

P.S. Hey buddy. How's the car hunting going?

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On 8/17/2005 4:54:58 AM Frzninvt wrote:

I don't have that problem! I use a pair of DBX 3BX-DS 3-Band Dynamic Range Controllers that restore what was originally robbed in the recording/mastering process. If you have not tried one of these units you quite honestly do not know what you are missing. Do not use any of the older 3BX units as they are not as refined and smooth as the final "Digital Series" version is.

Here is a link to one that I am selling so you can see the specs and what it is capable of doing. I have two and I get "0" noise or artifacts in my system. Try one you'll like it! If you don't all you have to do is put it back up for sale and get your money back.

My Alpine 7998 has similar circuits for MP3 playback or weak recordings but it is only an on/off button with three levels but it makes a big difference.

I actually used a DBX 3BX-DS in my IASCA competion car back in '95-'96 with a modified sine wave inverter and man the judges were impressed with the dynamics and impact the system was capable of.

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I'm a believer in these types of expansion units. I've been using an RG Pro-16 unit for 20+ years. Set to a reasonable amount of expansion, 10db-12db, you don't even know it's there. Except for the improved dynamics, impact, and lower noise.

I just bought a DBX 1BX series III from eBay to see how it compares to my old RG...

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On 8/16/2005 7:35:30 PM Erukian wrote:

... In the past 10 years, the trend has gotten out of control as engineer's are compressing the audio to only work with the top 5dB, sometimes the top 3dB, which leaves no punch, no slam, no air ...

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Greetings,

I wonder whether this is, in part, a means of addressing the current design of most home audio loudspeakers. Things such as "prat", "air", "imaging", etc. appear to be currently in favor for home audio -- even in high-end systems. These charecteristics appear, at least to my ears, to come at the expense of dynamics, speed, and heft, which are traits that I prefer. (Home theatre design, on the other hand, appears to still value these traits.)

Case in point...

At the studio here in Chicago, I was able to suggest that a pair of PSB Stratus Gold speakers (with a whopping 88dB sensitivity) be removed from the mixing room. We tried substituting my old 94dB-sensitivity KG-4's and a subwoofer (the sub was needed since the KG-4's were placed on stands, which caused a loss in their natural low frequency response).

The results were stunning. Bear in mind that I'm hearing music before anything -- compression or otherwise -- has been added. Yet, when compared with the KG-4's, the untreated music from the PSB's almost *sounded* as if a compressor were being used. Lifeless and squashed. And I'm not the only one who noticed. A local record producer was in for a mixing session last week and commented how much better he though the KG-4's sounded.

So I wonder whether the amount of compression currently in fashion is as much a means of adapting to current home-audio design trends as much as musical tastes. My guess (and it's only a guess) is that a good ol' uncompressed full symphony blast on most of today's 88-90 dB speakers would be reproduced as either mush or distortion.

Just my 2 cents' worth... 3.gif

Take care,

Scott

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On 8/21/2005 3:48:06 AM Erukian wrote:

I think I get your point, but it seriously looks like your advertising for the company. =/

just saying -- a quote would of been nicer
:)

-Joe

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Just an observation, if a few are addressing the media delivery issue, there is some hope that production issues may be next. Now if you want a serious ad, seek out my avatar!

"Ahead of its time."

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