arkrf63 Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 I'm sorry if this has been covered before, but I couldn't find anything on search. I'm considering the following: Purchasing Heresy II or III, crossing over at 80hz to a high quality musical sub (yet to be identified). How would this compare to an RF63 or 83? I'm not concerned about Heresy's lack of bass, as it will not be sent anything below 80hz. How does the Heresy fiber composite woofer compare at 80-800 hz to the Reference cerametallic cones? I would think it would be no contest 800hz and up (Heresy wins here?) Thoughts? am I crazy? (I already own the RF-63), they are very refined speakers. I am considering building a seperate Heresy system with used pieces, or replacing outright the RF-63s with Heresy IIIs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael hurd Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 The heresy vs RF debate.... I will say that the heresy II or III has more cone area definately, but less Xmax. At 800 hz, there is negligble excursion with respect to 80 hz, so this is moot. Why not just add a sub to the RF63, cross them over at 80 hz anyways?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Dee Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 arkrf63 That's a pretty tough question. I have a pair of practically new HII's and think they sound fabulous, even without a sub. I think the biggest issue is one which is completely subjective. That is if you enjoy the Heritage sound, Heresy is an excellent choice. Just a matter of preference. ave you had an opportunity to do some listening to Heritage gear? That would likely clarify your sense of options here, which are all good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoudnClear Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 As you can see from my system below, I have RF-63s and Cornwall II's. My Cornwall II's pretty much trounce the RF-63s in midrange and imaging. The RF-63s have a more pronounced, up front, clear treble. I think the Cornwall II's are overall alot more enjoyable to listen to. They both use the DD-12 sub for duties under 100 Hz. Now you're saying, "I asked about heresys!". Ahh, the moral of my story is that many believe the Cornwall III's sound better than the II's. The Cornwall III's and Heresy III"s have the same tweeter and midrange horns and compression drivers. Therefore, I can confidently deduce, that I'd expect the Heresy III's with a quality sub to further beat the RF-63s with same sub. The logic is there, a bit drawn out, but my answer is that I would definitely go for either Heresy III's, or Heresy I/IIs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 What kind of music do you listen to? And what kind of source? I would lean towards the H3 + sub, but it depends on the kind of sub you might end up with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbuckster Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 HERESY's II or if you can swing it III's and a SUB....Hand's down winning Combo....try Scott, Heresy's, and a SUB....[] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilMays Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 Nice thread. As others have known for a while, I have been trying to figure out how to get into the Heritage product. OB loves his Hersey's which to me is enough to go out on a limb and just buy some. I really have not followed the differences between to II's and III's. Interesting. I have a RF-7 reference system for my theater, and could not imagine ever replacing it, however, for two channel listening in a completely different room I need a smaller set-up. I have toyed with getting Belle's or LaScalla's, but the cost and space needed far outweigh what I have the size and spare wallet for. The Cornwalls are interesting, but the Hersey's seem to be what is yelling at me. Sorry to go on and on, in your thread. I will say there are alot of people whom love the Hersey's. The cost of these are fairly nominal and I feel you couldn't go wrong. Also, it seems to me resale of the Heritage product is somewhat more steady over time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbuckster Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 I own the last of the Heresy II's, my buddy has Heresy III's........side by side, Same power amp, NO SUB....the Heresy III has a deeper Bass response, I feel a little smoother overall frequency response, and a SPL of 99.........I really like my H2's, but if given a choice between 2's and 3's.....I would take the H3's............they are both a fine, under-rated speaker that anyone should be proud to own....and with Tubes, OH MY................ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkrf63 Posted April 6, 2007 Author Share Posted April 6, 2007 Yes, I have listened to the Heritage quite a bit when it wasn't Heritage (70s - 80s), I owned a pair of Quartets in the 90's. I don't think I like the tractrix sound as well as exponential (they don't sound like horns to me). I already do crossover my RF63s at 80hz. I think I may buy some H3s just to experiment. What do you recommend for a musical sub? I would think a sealed design? Thanks for everyone's responses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 I always ask - music/movie %? (DVD concerts count as movies) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoudnClear Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 Those HIII's will be about 1200-1500 bucks. If you're really looking to play, I'd recommend you look at zuzu's DD-12 sub he is selling on this forum for best offer over 1700. Others on here can recommend some less expensive subs that might meet your needs too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted April 6, 2007 Moderators Share Posted April 6, 2007 This may be a silly answer/ question, If you had to buy it all, Heresy lll and a sub ? Would you not be close to the price of Cornwall lll's ? Same mid and high freq drivers with much more bass ! Just a thought [] I really do like the Heresy lll's though . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbuckster Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 dtel, Maybe it's one of those size matters things........[*-)].....That would be my guess !!!!!!..Behaving yourself ?...Go see Jerry Lee....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbuckster Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 double ....................oooops !!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuzzzer Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 For what its worth I went from an RF-7 + SVS sub system to a Forte II + SVS sub system and don't regret it for one minute. That being said, I did like how the RF-83 system sounded at Ultimate Electronics. There's just something about a midrange horn though...[8] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoudnClear Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 There's just something about a midrange horn though...[8] That's what I'm talking about too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkrf6 Posted April 6, 2007 Share Posted April 6, 2007 WAF on the CornIII. I was at the Klipsch pilgrimage last year in Hope and heard the Cornwall III, that was the sweetest sound I've ever heard in my life. I think I could come close with the HIII and a sub, which would not irritate the wife. To the person about movies/music mix. Probably 80% movies, but I'm willing to sacrifice stellar home theater performance for the 20% music I listen to. I really can only enjoy listening to music when I have the house to myself, which is rare. Thanks for all the great responses to my thread!! I am going to audition HIIIs tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted April 7, 2007 Moderators Share Posted April 7, 2007 Well if you heard the Cornwall lll in Hope you heard the new Heresy lll ! The Heresy lll has the same mid and high freq as the Cornwall lll so you are right when you say you could come close with the Heresy lll, I would guess just less bass ! Great speaker, I couldn't belive all that sound was coming from that small cabinet ! You say 80 % movies,but with the new Heresy's I bet music listning goes way up from 20 % ! [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators dtel Posted April 7, 2007 Moderators Share Posted April 7, 2007 sorry double post.[8o|] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbuckster Posted April 7, 2007 Share Posted April 7, 2007 Maybe the reason he asked about Heresy's is, he hasn't got room for a bigger speaker box, although, I know nothing about the size of the Reference box.........and , the Sub can always be hidden in the room somewhwere............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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