mas Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 This looks like a joke. I couldn't disagree more. While I am no fan of Monster's 'marketing over engineering' approach, this 'thing' you decry is an indication of just what will eat your proverbial purist's lunch! While so many here constantly decry the size and appearance of so many subwoofers, someone has finally attempted to incorporate the design into an achitecturally acceptable format that just might be acceptable to a much broader marketplace. So complain and criticise all you want. But meanwhile someone has finally taken a step to overcome a major market acceptance factor, and while i may lament that it was Monster, i suspect that this concept just may indicate a trend that will outsell all of the elitist purist subs. (Just as receiver manufacturers who fail to include a USB or other iPod(et al)/PC compatible streaming interface will also discover...whether we like them or not!) The problem is that both Bose and Monster have discovered this fact...while the erudite purists who know so much more are still oblivious to the market realities and fail to address them. Folks, like it or not, we who value the audio system above the environment in which it exists are in an ever decreasing minority. And whether you like it or not, both consumer and especially pro audio are on the ropes. So you might want to make sure that its a mighty sweet tune the band plays as the Titanic slowly sinks.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkside Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Why do you say pro audio??? Also, you're saying that this is (simplyput) about WAF (not specifically, but it's the general ideal)? I don'tget it....especially the pro audio comment... And Ear, what do you mean by "9900"...just wondering...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mas Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Why do you say pro audio??? Also, you're saying that this is (simply put) about WAF (not specifically, but it's the general ideal)? I don't get it....especially the pro audio comment... Gauss, JBL, EV and the list goes on... What is this about pro audio????? Where have you been for the last 15 years? May I suggest that you get a subscription to FOH and ProSound News to start. And become familiar with the business side of audio and strategic marketing... [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkside Posted August 24, 2007 Share Posted August 24, 2007 Oh, excuse me for being an ignorant teenager[][:S] And I still don't get it, but whatever...no matter. Subject for another thread (I don't like being hugely OT). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marksdad Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 not crazy at all, after i sold my klipshorn based ht/ 2 channel system i needed deep bass, so i have had both klipsch reference and synergy subsm both were anemic, good but anemic. so as i bought my new system i auditioned a few different manufacturers, klipsch-def tec supercubes-b&w just to name a few, all were adequate, but i finally ended up with a velodyne SPL 1200R 1000 WATTS it is currently set at around 36% and did the whole spl thing it is amazing headroom delux, there is so much hidden in sound tracks that normal subs don't show, sometimes in scenes that you do not suspect, just to add flavor to a scene. i watched "black hawk down" the other day after not watching it for 6-7 years, the last time was with a lesser sub, wont say model to irritate fellow klipshers ( still have my sons entire klipsch system in house) but instead of booming its way through the movie, the sub just made the movie real, never booming-muddy-exaggerated. it was so different, and absolutely lifelike, the headroom makes equal sense in subs as with the down stream electronics. to truly test your subs the best movie i have found so far is war of the worlds, with some subs i encountered the first attacks are a bit undynamic, but when your sub is dialed in, the entire scene has really cool lfe, the lfe in the aliens lazer blasts are over whelming. any way, NO 1000 watts is not enough or too much, judging by my experiences is is a good beginning, you wont use it all, but it is about headroom, and the inherient ability of the sub. to know! just to know i can push another 2/3rds if needed is ...................wow, as it is the lazer blasts feel like they might pick my couch up, and they are neither loud or harsh, but my neighbor feels them too. nice to be back, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mas Posted August 25, 2007 Share Posted August 25, 2007 not crazy at all, after i sold my klipshorn based ht/ 2 channel system i needed deep bass, so i have had both klipsch reference and synergy subsm both were anemic, good but anemic. so as i bought my new system i auditioned a few different manufacturers, klipsch-def tec supercubes-b&w just to name a few, all were adequate, but i finally ended up with a velodyne SPL 1200R 1000 WATTS it is currently set at around 36% and did the whole spl thing it is amazing headroom delux, there is so much hidden in sound tracks that normal subs don't show, sometimes in scenes that you do not suspect, just to add flavor to a scene. i watched "black hawk down" the other day after not watching it for 6-7 years, the last time was with a lesser sub, wont say model to irritate fellow klipshers ( still have my sons entire klipsch system in house) but instead of booming its way through the movie, the sub just made the movie real, never booming-muddy-exaggerated. it was so different, and absolutely lifelike, the headroom makes equal sense in subs as with the down stream electronics. to truly test your subs the best movie i have found so far is war of the worlds, with some subs i encountered the first attacks are a bit undynamic, but when your sub is dialed in, the entire scene has really cool lfe, the lfe in the aliens lazer blasts are over whelming. any way, NO 1000 watts is not enough or too much, judging by my experiences is is a good beginning, you wont use it all, but it is about headroom, and the inherient ability of the sub. to know! just to know i can push another 2/3rds if needed is ...................wow, as it is the lazer blasts feel like they might pick my couch up, and they are neither loud or harsh, but my neighbor feels them too. nice to be back, Welcome back. And an elegant testimony to the affects of a quality sub. But for the life of me, I can't figure out what the post has to do with the subject of the thread...aside perhaps that it concerns a subwoofer... Now, don't get me wrong, as I know from experience that the subject has little to do with the criteria for posting! ;-) And since the emoticons once again do not work (hey, at least the website is consistent!): ;-)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted August 27, 2007 Share Posted August 27, 2007 [] 9900...I was sarcastic. Since Jay has a LMS-5400 I will have to get a PMS-9900... woofa. The PMS-9900 does not exist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkside Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Oh, hehe. When you say 9900, I think of Digital Designs, which does exist.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 Not much digital in Digital Designs...[] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkside Posted August 28, 2007 Share Posted August 28, 2007 True [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy W Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 She'll have to take the knick knacks of the table er, subwoofer every time they turn on the stereo. What a pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 The Elegonzo sub tweeter is one heck of a tweeter ! [] 18" woofer,6" voice coil,180lbs motor structure,a BL of 80! And an Xmax of 80mm !!! The Elegonzo beats the competition into the pavement !!! With a 24lbs sledgehammer...to a bloody pulp. [8-|] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 I think I dated Ella Gonza in high school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldbuckster Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 I think I dated Ella Gonza in high school. OH, that was you? Hell man, I married her....................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CECAA850 Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 I think I dated Ella Gonza in high school. OH, that was you? Hell man, I married her....................... I could never get past the 3'rd eye. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 It's like pie-shaped so you have to put it in a corner- what kinda stoopid idea is dat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkside Posted September 1, 2007 Share Posted September 1, 2007 No joke, this thing has a "Basso Low Frequency Driver" LOL http://www.mdesignlife.com/lit/LIT_PIL_ELG_Gfather_G3ks.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 No joke, this thing has a "Basso Low Frequency Driver" LOL http://www.mdesignlife.com/lit/LIT_PIL_ELG_Gfather_G3ks.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 No joke, this thing has a "Basso Low Frequency Driver" LOL http://www.mdesignlife.com/lit/LIT_PIL_ELG_Gfather_G3ks.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheEAR Posted September 6, 2007 Share Posted September 6, 2007 No joke, this thing has a "Basso Low Frequency Driver" LOL http://www.mdesignlife.com/lit/LIT_PIL_ELG_Gfather_G3ks.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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