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110 db sends me under the chair. Please watch your hearing! Do you still have the RF7's I see on your web page? How would you describe the differences between the Scalas and the RF7's?

...and so now that you have K-horns -- how would you characterize the difference in sound between the 7's and K's?

Does the bias need to be readjusted if replacing tubes OTHER than the power/output tubes?

Let me get this straight. The Corwalls being driven by your Celeste -- sounded more refined (less harsh, smoother, laid back), than the RF7s and the Celeste??? Your post gives me pause. I don't know what to think. Last week I had the RF7's hooked up to the Aragon and thought it was kick butt big time. I was using the AE-3 as a preamp though. It sure didn't rip my ears off like the KLF20's did a year ago at Carlin Audio. The tubes definitely take the edge off, there isn't any question about that. The sound of the RF7 certainly isn't as "refined" as Dynaudio or Magnepan, but I would definitely think they are more refined in sound than a speaker with a sqawker. I guess the only way I will ever get to the bottom of all this is to start saving some money, sell a few things off, and get some Heritage into the house.

Tom lives in Cincinnati with KLF's and Vinyl Lock the doors, here I come!!

The RF7's are "enough". Of course, two sets would be nice

Yes, I can see you two tossing Scotts and Eicos across the room at each other. Then of course the tubes. Orange drops and whatever else remains... ...until only one remains standing.

"A lot of people are used to the same sound they've heard over the years and have come to define "good" sound that way." So true, so true. Nice post "Newbie"!

I guess we could have Justin add a block for the names of Forum Members you absolutely do not want to meet under any condition. What should we call it? "The Outer Limits?"

I know from my experience with the LF-10 that Klipsch can make a very fine sounding sub. However, for the money -- it's just impossible to go wrong with SVS. If you can handle the big black oil drum look (as Ears prefers to call them) -- then they are the clear choice. The performance to value ratio is outrageous. Klipsch should work out a partnership program with SVS. The two simply go together like Peanut Butter and Jelly. I'm sorry Klipsch, and I love you guys big time -- but I've had my fill of passive radiators. If you want output that can keep up with the horns, as well as keep the distortion levels at their lowest -- then SVS is the best choice. The price of the RSW-15 takes you into dual SVS Ultra territory. The RSW-15 can almost match the output of that SVS config -- but at a cost. If you want maximum output AND true 20Hz extension -- then again, you have to go with SVS.

Justin is setting a database up for us. We can use it to find where we all live in the event somebody would like to audition a piece of gear or various Klipsch type speakers. If this interests you, please post your information in the General Forum Section in the thread under the same title.

Marksdad, DO NOT BUY anything without first hearing. Heritage and Reference are very different sounding from one another. Heritage is more "lively" and Reference is more "refined". Something to keep in mind is that though the RF5 is a dynamite speaker, it is still basically just an upscale version of the RF3. It uses the same tweeter and the same woofers. The only differences being the RF5 has the larger horn, different crossover point, and wood veneer instead of vinyl. If you want to approach the dynamics of Heritage, and maintain the refinement and smooth response of Reference -- then I really don't think you should discount the RF7 as an upgrade option.

It may be a little difficult to get a perfect "blend" as far DB's go -- but I believe sonic "signature" wise, it should be O.K. All those speakers do use driver types made from the same material. Maybe I'm being a dunce here, but can't you also adjust the output of mains down? I don't know much about HT receivers. If you can dial the 7's down a little, and the other channels up a little -- The 7's are the bomb. Heck, you'll probably end up basking in 2-channel before you know it. Everyone always criticizes me for knocking Heritage, saying I just haven't heard them set up correctly, or being pushed by the "right" electronics. Well, I can say the same thing about them. Their judgement of RF7's primarily comes from cursory exposure in dealer showrooms. Wait till you get these things home. No tweaking or fretting about fixing this or fixing that -- just stand them up and Jam! I want to hear Heritage in the proper set up. Sure. But you can't imagine what it would take to de-throne the 7's. They are simply to my ears, some of the best sounding speakers I have ever heard -- and I've been doing this for almost 30 years. Just checked out your receiver. Very nice. My favorite spec is the 45 amps of "High Instantaneous Current Capability". That is a SERIOUS 75 wpc. Your RF7's are going to love you.

Uhh...Orangepeel. C'mon man, what the heck are you thinking? The RF7's are in a completely different league than the RF3's. I mean, we are really talking apples and orangepeels here. If you can get a good deal on the 7's - BUY THE 7's! Then start saving for your RC7.

Jim's solution above is the best. Just walk around the room until you find the best bass -- then put your subs there. Stereo subs are best placed side by side -- in the same general location.

By "selfs" I imagine you are speaking of the inductors. Though you got close on the replacement mH values (within tolerance), you did not match the DCR values (resistance). The DCR is just as important. You cannot add resistors in series. That's cheating, and doesn't really work because it actually changes the inductance and capacitance values of the circuit as well. Not much discussed is the fact that resistors, capacitors, and inductors -- ALL have resistence, inductance, and capacitance!! I am curious about the bad solder joint. How did you know it was "bad"? -- That is, how did you find it?

I think some of the Polks sound very good for the money. Polk, like Klipsch -- is very value driven. I think the Polks are more suited to those who prefer a very laid back presentation.

Brennen strikes again. Hee-Hee. Tom, I wish you would post more, as well as John Warren and Will Mc. You guys are the voices of reason on most things. Now, decent cable is a good thing -- but remember you are not pushing music through the cables. All that is happening is an electrical field is being advanced through the conductor. The electrons aren't even "flowing" -- they are simply being "excited", and then bump into each other which causes the electrical current/field to "advance" down the cable. Another thing of interest to me is that no matter what you got between the binding posts on either end -- both ends are still just gold plated metal with clip wire, lead/tin solder, caps and resistors with tin covered copper behind them. So, whatever gains a person thinks they are making with the hyper crystal aligned cryogenetically treated 99.9999999999999 copper (or silver) coated with the superalitve wonder dielectric -- these are lost as soon as the cable hits the binding posts and goes through the crossover components. I think the variances in cable length and thickness (resistance), and capacitance, and other things "electrical" -- account for whatever slight differences we hear. At any rate -- I've never had a cable "drop my jaw".

Justin volunteered to set up a data base of sorts so we could track member locations -- for the purpose of hooking up with each other to listen to various systems. I think it's a great idea. I would love to hear some Heritage speakers, and would be willing to drive 2 or 3 hours to hear some -- but where? Dean Wescott Kettering (Dayton), Ohio BD - 1/22/59 Phone 937.299.6324 RF7's and AE-25 Superamp DJH/AE-3 Superpreamp DJH/Sony 9000ES

I agree with Boa regarding the B&K stuff. I've never read or heard a negative thing about any of it. I've recently become a big fan of Aragon. I bought a used 4004 MKII sometime ago to put in my second system. For grins, I stuck it in my Klipsch system. It is the closest I have ever come to being blown out of my chair with getting a headache. I am extremely impressed with the amp. I don't think it was an accident Klipsch went after Mondial, and I would venture to say that as far as solid state goes, Aragon probably matches up to Klipsch real well.

Hmmm. You might be confusing the B&K stiff with Bryston? Bryston is most certainly bright. Horribly bright to my ears. The B&K amps are MOSFET designs, which are almost always characterized as "warm". I don't know anything about Carver's Sunfire amps, though I believe he's a freaking genius. Might be hard to find another KG, but you never know. I only know that everyone really seems to like the KLF30's and the Heresys. Either one of these would be a step up over the KG's. Then there are always my personal favorites - RB5's and RF7's. No midrange horn with these, and so sound more evened out, with smoother overall frequency response. Not quite the "in your face" sound as the KLF's and Heritage speakers. Whatever you do, go slow and take your time.

Armed with the above information, one should be able to build the ultimate set of speakers. What a concept. Build them to the average ears, instead of the analyzers.

Hey Jeff, it ain't no karaoke machine -- it's a full blown mixing board with an outboard amp! Doesn't it give you the heebie-jeebies just trying to imagine the setup? Now, we aren't "Catholic", we just be normal everyday sinners who believe in what God did through His Son. So, we don't do the uniform thing. However, if you can find a wig, I'll take it.

The thread has taken an interesting turn, and I'm sorry to say I have no idea what you all are talking about. "Laid back KLFs"? I read this comment and almost blew the pop out of my mouth I was drinking. I mean, the KLF's are the consumate "earbleeders". Another comment indicated suprise that I would find the highs of the Heritage speakers "grating" compared to the RF7's. I just don't know what to say to that one. Another comment indicated how close the Cornwalls and KLF's sounded side by side. Then later that the KLF's were "brighter" by comparison (easy to believe). I can't imagine the RF7's sounding like "crap" under any condition. Of course, there is always the chance they were wired out of phase -- which wouldn't sound all that great for sure. I've resigned myself to believing all Klipsch speakers sound great. There are simply too many variables to account for when trying to explain why one sounds better than another. Room acoustics, placement, ancillary equipment, taste, and actual hearing. Now, as far as the Reference Series goes, I will say that since they use titanium tweeters -- there is the possibility that some of you can hear the "ringing" associated with these type drivers. All metal drivers ring, and though we are assured it takes place beyond the range of hearing -- it IS possible that some of you having hearing good enough to pick up on it. However, it is hard for me to believe or understand how a two-way speaker can sound "brighter" than a three-way employing a sqawker.

Option 1 is better. With the money you will end up spending on the KLF's and new center, you could also buy three new Heresys. I only present this option because the 30's might be hard to find (unless used), and the fact you are going to be using a sub (so you aren't in dire need of the extended bass response of the 30's). Scap that sub choice. SVS is the way to, as it is the ONLY product on the market that can keep up with Klipsch without bankrupting you. If I was doint HT with Solid State and Klipsch -- I would go B&K or Aragon (if you can afford it).