Olorin

If you had one La Scala and you wanted to be able to listen in stereo, what kind of speaker would you get?

Brewing beer sounds like fun! I've got to get into that some day, and smoked meats . . . oh yeah. There's some kind of magic that happens when fire and meat get together. The flux is utter chaos, but the end is in sight. The upside is that nobody else is spending my money any more, so I can have hobbies again. ;-)

Regardless of anything else, our team pulled off an amazing victory.

Fish are gone, home theater is in a state of flux along with life in general. It's good to be coming back around, I see some new names and character here along with some from the past as well. It's great to see you're still around. :-) How are you?

Yeah, I guess I was shooting from the lip a little bit there. I'd still be tempted to get them knowing I could use them, check them out, and get out of them for at least what I got into them for if I decided they didn't work out for me, but that's a personal decision. Sorry about that.

So for $600 you could have a perfect set that you could put any veneer you want to on for less than $100, and you're going to pass?

Through to the round of sixteen. Way to keep fighting!

I hope I'm not that somebody -- nothing could be farther from how I feel. You've forgotten more about crossovers and filters than I will ever learn and I'm enjoying reading what you have to say. The posts on the tweeter filter and how it affects power to the tweeter are certainly on-topic, and ultimately what you're exploring here is going to be informative for everybody. Isn't that one of the things this forum is all about?

That's a good point about the other crossovers not using them. Now that you mention it I used to run my Heresys at ridiculous volumes from a gigantic old Kenwood receiver and that never gave the tweeters any trouble.

The Harman/Toole papers indicate that the best placements for two subs are one at the midpoint of each of the two side walls, one at the midpoint of the front wall and one at the midpoint of the back wall, or one in each of the two front corners. Corner placement will give maximum modal excitation, which may or may not be a good thing depending on your room and your preferences. Those are good starting points, but at the end of the day the only way to find out is to drag them around and play stuff.

Thanks Greg, that's a perfect explanation.

I'd like to know.

Good eye, JB, she's a 1997 Land Cruiser FZJ-80 with about 177k on the clock, and far and away the best vehicle I've ever owned. Land Cruisers, dogs, and mountains go together. That's Gracie, AKA Best Dog Ever, enjoying her second to the last trip almost two years ago. I lost her to old age about this time last year, and I still miss her.

I take it you're not looking to build your own? I ask because IMO the second best alternative to self-built is to get some rack rails from a place like Parts Express and have a cabinet maker incorporate them in a design of your choosing.

Al, so you feel the square mag 77s don't need the zeners?

More Lascala's nice. The 78's don't have the tweeter padded, they are wide open, the only driver attenuated is the midrange. I imagine the crossovers are causing the major sound differences. BTW the mid is also attenuated on the AL, just has a different autoformer. When I stripped my AL crossovers, I saved the good parts, I ended up with the wood and barrier strip. Hehe, I think that's what I said to you about what I was going to keep from those. Ahh, my mistake, it is straight through and not -3, so apparently I need to spend some time at the Derek Zoolander Center for Children Who Can't Read Good and Wanna Learn to do Other Stuff Good Too. This Trey post indicates that the 55M is tapped differently from the 55V because the mud tweeter runs a tad hotter than the AlNiCo part does. I'll have to spend some time with both sets and learn what's really behind the difference, because I definitely have a preference. Thanks for the pointer!

Lookin' good Dave. You'll make a silk purse from that sow's ear yet. :-P

It looks great, though, Olorin. Mine is still bachelor at the moment, but that will change again this Fall when my fiancee and I get married.Bruce Thanks, it's a work in progress. ;-) Just curious, what crossover did you go to, and how did your musical preference and other system components influence that choice? Congratulations on your upcoming nuptials! I wish you much and continuing happiness.

You must mean Marvel's place, which is very nice. Mine is decorated in "Modern Bachelor with Dogs."

Gimme time, man, gimme time . . . You know, I hear that rumor about the ALs but these sound great to me. I'll have to do some research and see if the move to the AL-3 was meant to solve a problem or if it was in response to component supplier changes. To be honest these have that characteristic Klipsch Heritage sound that I love from my Heresys, just more of it plus all of that completely horn-loaded goodness. I suppose it's possible that I just don't hear well and any crossover changes would be wasted on me.

Congrats! Any new receiver ought to do what you want to do, steering the LFE to the mains if you tell it no sub is present. I know my Harman Kardon will do it easily. The Harmans also have pre-outs at almost every price point, but they do lack Audyssey room calibration. You'll have to work up your selection criteria and choose accordingly. On to speakers -- I've got Chorus IIs, and you're going to miss a lot without a sub. You're good to 40 Hz with those guys, fine for all but the lowest notes on a piano or bass guitar, but you're dropping off at 24 db/octave below that. Basically that whole last octave of movie soundtracks will be lost to you. No big deal for Chocolat and Mystic Pizza if that's your thing, but Transformers and War of the Worlds won't be at all the same.

. . . MORE LA SCALAS. Only had to drive an hour each way to pick these puppies up. 1984 LS-BLS, all original with square magnet K-77s, K-55Muds, and type AL crossovers. They do sound different from the 1978s with the Type As, KK-55Vs, and Crites tweets -- the 78s are much more polite in the top end with a more pronounced midrange, which I attribute to the Type A's padding the tweeter by 3 db. The "historically correct" Type AA for 1978 doesn't have that attenuation, and parts to convert the 78s to AAs were on the way before I saw these pop up Friday, so I'll do the AA conversion and decide which set to keep. I do like the grills, so all things being equal sound-wise, the 84s may win on style points. I won't move components from one set to the other, though I will try the Crites tweets in the 84s and rebuild their crossovers as well. Look out, Colter -- you may have West Coast competition soon!

I don't understand what you mean by then add 30? The Dynamic range is already built into the dd/dts standard so by calibrating to 75dB and then playing it back at reference level, you get dynamic peaks. The plus 30 thing would be crazy if you mean add 30 more dB's plus the addition of the dynamic range of a given disc. Yeah, I see what you mean. I should have said "If your pink noise is full volume, add 30." If your signal is recorded -30 dbfs, you don't have to add anything because the signal already has the 30 db of headroom built into it, so whatever level gives you 75 db with a -30 dbfs signal would give you 105 db peaks. Audyssey and built-in routines do that for you, so I should have been clearer about that vs. doing it manually with test tones. You raise a very good point, and thanks for doing that. Right, 105 db main, 115 db LFE, and since the decoder adds the LFE's 10 db for you, you use 75 db for all channels during calibration. I think we're on the same page here, just separated by a common language.

Hi Carlos, and welcome to the forum. There are lots of guidelines and there is a lot of advice, and there lots of people who whole lots of opinions. At the end of the day, though, you're the only one who lives with your speakers in your room, and you're the only one who gets to decide what you like best and what works best for you. This is part of the fun of audio, the tinkering, the playing, the trying this and that and listening for the differences. In other words, try the different settings and see what gives you the biggest smile! Maybe the experts are right, but maybe you're in for some nice surprises.