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---------------- On 7/14/2004 11:38:43 PM lynnm wrote: For lack of a better description I would say that while the KLF seemed ( if anything ) to have more slam and certainly imaged better.........The Khorns sound more open and natural. This is not a knock on the KLFs. Both are very good but overall the Khorns sound more real to me.I suspect that the defining difference for me is that the Khorns present a more transparent sound...... In any event one would not go far wrong by purchasing any high end Klipsch speaker. ---------------- I own both the Kipschorns and the KLF10's. Both are great speakers but they are certainly voiced differently. I like the KLF10 for it's punch and dynamics but I always thought it lacked a little in the midrange with perhaps a touch of hardness at times. More voiced for home theatre perhaps? I don't know. The Klipschorns are a revelation. The midrange is to die for. Smooth, rich and detailed. In fact the whole Klipschorn package is exceptional. I was led to expect something different - like a sound that would take your head off at the slightest provocation. I use my Khorns exclusively now - for home theatre and music. So my vote for the Heritage - you've obviously got to take into account room acoustics and your buying power.

Before we totally debunk Bose. We should acknowledge some of the good things they've done. Yes, the Wave radio is one, expensive but still good sound. The other product is the ground breaking Bose 901 loudspeaker. Not bad sounding although certainly very colorful in tone. This speaker is still in production.

Realistic, or Radio Shack by another name actually produced some ok receivers back in the early 1980's. But their best effort was the magnificent little Realistic Minimus 7's. A little metal cabinet wonder, made in Japan, that produced an outstanding sound for a few dollars each.

---------------- On 7/16/2004 10:27:56 PM paulparrot wrote: This "blooming" word is a problem, as it makes a bad thing, "distorting," seem like a good thing. Pretty flowers bloom, after all. But high fidelity by definition is playback that strives to be true to the original recording. I submit that no amp that is a veritable distortion box should be taken seriously by anyone interested in high fidelity. ---------------- Good point Paul. Although I don't think for one minute that we should confuse tube 'bloom' which can be argued is a characteristic of thermionic devices, with low cost 'distortion boxes' doing the rounds in low rent appliance stores. I think what I am trying to do is understand why low powered SET, or in fact any high quality low powered amplifier exhibits that sweetness of sound that certain audiophiles would die for.

Spider, Do you have the Sophia Baby integrated? If so this amp is built to a cost, but has received some great reviews vis a vis sound quality. There is little or no point to point wiring with the Baby - based primarily on a PCB in construction, so maybe reliability would be okay. Can't say much about the output transfomers though. As NOSvalves rightly points out, you can't see what's inside, and high quality output transfomers are essential for the tubes to perform at their best. rmlowz, I own a Jolida 202A integrated tube with EL34 tubes. Nice amp and good though not outstanding build quality. I have heard my Jolida with the La Scala's. They sound okay as a combo but as the Jolida is not that punchy down low, you may not be 100% pleased with the sound - but this would be very room dependant of course. Jolida midrange is great though and soundstage is fantastic. A better match with the lower cost Jolida's would be the Klipschorn because of that speakers extra bottom end. I would carefully consider the recommendations of the other forum members who own La Scala's before finalising your decision.

That would be interesting BEC. I think this thread has been most informative. Now can we actually hear the stuff we've been talking about?

Yeah, I agree about the Beach Boys, - okay but lacked a bit too candy flavoured for me. Wilson though is a different kettle of fish. A frustrating performer to like, you think he's dropped his bundle, then all of a sudden he hits you between the eyes with a touch of eccentric genius.

Thanks. The Duntech company here has just been sold to another manufacturer - I didn't know Dunlavy had shut down.

Good one Dave! It's interesting I was reading about Copland, a Danish amplifier manufacturer and their designers use both tube and solid state to achieve their design goals. Also another company (British I think) into this low powered stuff is DNM but they use solid state. I wonder if properly designed low powered solid state could acheive this 'bloom' we have been talking about? By the way I just got called outside. It's snowing and the kids are going beserk. I think I'll just watch the fun from inside my warm house.

It's interesting to see the similarity between these Duvlavy's and the current Duntech range selling in Australia. Apparently the Duntech company was started by the Dunlavy designer who left to start Dunlavy. Is Dunlavy the actual name of this designer?

---------------- On 7/16/2004 7:30:26 PM NatGun wrote: heh, i see it now. the top was covered with dust.. im assuming red is positive? ---------------- Whew! Another potential disaster averted by the fighting forum.

What Dunlavy's? I can only see the Klipschorns

---------------- On 7/16/2004 6:55:50 PM WhoozYoDaddy wrote: Get the Toshiba 3960. Its $60. Toshiba never meant for it to be that good, but its CD quality is up there with the big boys. Its a mistake, a good mistake. I think ill buy 2-3 backups ---------------- I agree with the Toshiba recommendation. I currently own the Toshiba 900E. A brilliant CD player and easily a match for the best from Sony And Phillips. I don't know about NAD though. My brother has had two and each have suffered reliabilty problem - mainly with the displays failing.

I saw Brian Wilson and his band in concert last year. A great experience and I thought far superior to the current Beach Boys lineup I saw the year before. Brian's new album 'GETTIN' IN OVER MY HEAD' is typical Wilson. Brilliant in parts and just okay in others. There are three standout tracks in 'You Could be Dancing' with Elton John - a real rocker harking back to Elton's best vocals since Yellow Brick Road. This could be a single. The next standout is 'City Blues' with Eric Clapton. A good rocker with excellent Wilson vocals. The very best standout track is 'Desert Drive' with Wilson doing lead and backup vocals by the Wondermints. Absolutely the best surf rocker I've heard since the 1960's. The record company would be nuts if this is not released as a single. The rest of the album is pretty good. Some tracks better than others. The only track I didn't really like was the duet with Paul McCartney 'A Friend Like You'. That's what skip buttons are for. On the other tracks Wilson shocks you sometimes with his vocals. All of a sudden he's hitting those high falsetto's like he did in the 1960's. He's still got a great voice and his production is, as always, immaculate. It's a shame the Beach Boys walked away from Brian Wilson. If they were back together they'd be reaping the rewards of Brian's resurgence.

Okay Shawn. Things are falling into place for me. Rightly or wrongly I now have a picture in my mind. Low powered amplifiers of the SET persuasian (and some low powered tube amplifiers generally?) act like a musical instrument. They accurately reproduce the incoming musical signal. In addition they add some nice sounding harmonics which are pleasing to most human ears. The low powered tube amp virtually functions like the sound boards of certain stringed musical instruments like the guitar, violin, cello, etc. If we plucked a string without a sounding board we would not be rewarded with a rich sounding musical note - only a flacid parroting (sorry Paul) of what was intended by the musician. Now many solid state amplifiers do not intend for any harmonic distortion to intrude. Manufacturers of such equipment make a virtue of the fact that their product goes from zero to 100Khz without stopping, with virtually zero distortion, and with ruler flat response. The result is an absolutely dreadful sounding piece of equipment - that horrible 'hi-fi' sound that guarantees a tube aficionado would flee in horror. But the sad thought is, if you haven't heard the real thing (I'm talking about tubes generally, not just SET), how will you know any different?

---------------- On 7/15/2004 12:00:16 PM paulparrot wrote: ---------------- On 7/15/2004 11:45:25 AM NOSValves wrote: Paul uses nothing but low power SET amps ! ---------------- Hey! You promised not to tell! ---------------- Oh, Paul! You've gone over to the dark side! And Shawn, thanks for that feedback. Very informative and it helps me make sense of the whole distortion thing. What I appreciate most is that you've coined a phrase that I can understand; 'Bloom'. I've been listening to some SE lately (Audio Note mono blocs et al and some of their integrateds) and I've been trying to put a finger on why they sound so nice in the midrange. (Sorry, Paul Parrot, unlike you and Neo I haven't gone over to the dark side yet!) Bloom, it's not magic, it's bloom! I like it when I can walk into a high end hi-fi store and say something knowledgeable and intelligent like that! And it makes sense of this whole thread.

I think everyone is missing the point here. Bose (generic)is an absolutely incredible company. Seriously! You really to take your hats off to Bose which has very good marketing expertise. They could sell ice to an Eskimo! Two big things go for Bose in a hi-fi, whoops, sorry, an appliance store. The first is people see the tiny cubes, and they actually work! (Miracle number 1) The well trained sales people employ some clever manipulation of the customer's psyche by exploiting the boom and tizz phenomena. The customer is led to believe they are actually buying this hi-fi miracle because it is actually sonically superior to other products. The result of course is the customer walks out of the store with a Bose box under their arm. They set them up, and listen to them, and then realise they have purchased a boom and tizz sound system which cost a lot of money! This is where the second big thing kicks in. This is where the Bose magic manifests itself. The victim becomes defensive. They've been taken. Will they admit it? No way! They become BIG Bose fanatics. They will work overtime to promote their great purchase to any one who will listen. They've gone over to the dark side. (Miracle number 2) So hats off to Bose

---------------- On 7/14/2004 7:56:56 PM paulparrot wrote: The record reveals that PWK liked his push-pull 10W Brook amp decades ago and then moved to a variety of mostly solid state amps in the approximately 60W range. He used lots of different brands. His literature recommended 20W amps as a minimum for Klipschorns. Seems like this was already discussed!? ---------------- Paul, is this thread, interesting that it is, part of the matrix? What is the true reality here? Is the Oracle a SET fan or a PP proponent? I've lost track of some of this thread because the technical discussion has gone over my head. I am just wondering whether measuring distortion of an amplifier whether tube or solid state, or SET or PP, is a factor that can influence musicality. Isn't it more important to measure the type of distortion? Is it not true that our ears are highly tolerant of certain types of distortion i.e. even order distortion? In fact in some tests I've read about somewhere, I can't remember where now, certain tube amplifiers featured 4 or 5% distortion but it's mainly even order and the listeners actually preferred these relatively highly distorted amplifiers because they sounded 'nice'.

I've just retubed my Jolida 202B with Svetlana EL34's. I've noticed a substantial improvement already in clarity and soundstage and they've only had about 50 hours.

Hmmmmmmm. ?

---------------- On 7/13/2004 11:14:50 PM AintJoM0mma wrote: Wow thank you, finally. Can you comment on clarity with both (Just mids and highs)? And can you elaborate a little on "holographic imagery"? As you know I want the one with the most power/clarity. Which would you get? ---------------- AintJoMOmma, it seems that you are a little confused as to what you really want. Which is okay because everyone goes through that before settling into the sound they really want and like. When you identify the sound you are after, then, and only then, can you make an informed decision about what hi-fi equipment to buy. And it's only then you can ask the right questions from people in this forum to help you choose that equipment. Go and listen yourself - no one here wants you to needlessly waste your money. And it doesn't help your cause by being rude. People are only trying to help.

---------------- On 7/13/2004 11:31:12 PM jt1stcav wrote: It was a joke...(siblings) . But really, look at that Gibson, with it's rounded curves and smooth body, and that long slender neck (and I don't even play the guitar and I can appreciate the beauty of it)! ---------------- I'm lost. Someone help me here. What guitar? I can only see Kate.

It's a close one but I have to agree. I would climb over the KT88's to get to Kate!

My first record? I'm embarrassed to admit it but it was a long playing record called 'The Best of Hank Snow'. My father was a country and Western fan and I grew up with Slim Whitman, Jim Reeves and Hank Snow. When I first got my little Pye record player, Hank Snow was all I had.

If you actually already have the Jolida 302B with the nice EL34's, then go Heresy's. Very smooth dynamic sound and bass rolls off nicely to match with a Klipsch subwoofer. The KG series might be a little too bass prominent in your room. Totem's - I don't know. Not with the Jolida. If you like some punch in your music you'll be disappointed.