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---------------- On 5/9/2005 10:46:18 PM Woodog wrote: Ebay must be the hacker crowd's ultimate wet dream! ---------------- I think a hackers wet dream would be undetected access to an edu or gov site with an internet2 connection and lots of storage

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---------------- On 5/9/2005 10:00:39 PM sfellini wrote: Ok, so some are feeling pretty good about this positive review of the Belle Klipsch - BUT, what about the fact that the reviewer felt it was necessary to replace all of the wiring to make it sound listenable. Not to mention a couple of hundred hours of "breakin" time, and "that any Klipsch speaker requires considerable user tweaking". Do you really trust the opinions of this guy? Steve. ---------------- He reminds me of a friend who would buy a new car but couldn't feel like it was his or good enough until he had gotten under the hood and changed a few things. Honestly I had to tell him the car drove much better just to get him to leave me alone about it LOL. I've thought about a couple doing a couple of his tweaks but before I do anything I'll be sending my crossovers to Bob Crites for a once over hopefully in the next month or two. I think I am going to pay overnight shipping there and back just to limit the time as music is my detox for day to day insanity. Not sure if it's just me but sometimes my system sounds better than other times but this weekend it has just sounded extraordinary. Why are there so few reviews of Belles, LaScalas, and Khorns or am I looking in the wrong places?

the rebel 7 was on ebay but the auction was pulled. i really want a pair of shorthorns for the bedroom. i saw some someone on the forum posted a while back and they just looked cool. i understand that they don't have much bottom end but they would be in the bedroom and mostly for nastalgia anyhow. Living in Arkansas I would have thought there would be more of these on our used market but oh well maybe i'll find some at a flea market some day.

http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Fuji/5719/belle.html Interesting read what do you think of his tweaks? _____________________________________________________________ Article Belles 'N Beyond Named after Paul W. Klipsch's first wife, the Belle Klipsch strikes a chord in Joe Gorman. Belle Klipsch 3-way, fully horn loaded loudspeakers 8 ohm 104 db/w/m efficiency 124 db maximum continuous output 100 watts power handling (continuous, 400 watts peak) 45 to 17.5 KHz +/- 3db frequency response H 35.6" x W 30.1" x D 18.7" 125 pounds The Khmer Rouge Hates Paul W. Klipsch There is a lot of Klipsch hatred immediately beneath the skin of many self-described "knowledgeable" audiophiles. Mention Paul W.'s last name at the local, big-dollar audio salon and see for yourself. There must be a chapter in The Bible of Snooty Audiophooldom that begins, "When one has disowned Klipsch products, one has taken the first steps toward discovery of the Holy Grail." I consider these types the Khmer Rouge of audio. I don't speak with the Khmer Rouge about my love affair with those products designed by Paul W. Klipsch. It invites too much viscous assault on his products. Nearly always, the Khmer Rouge have heard Klipsch products mated with the wrong electronics and this forever is used as the example when they attack the Klipsch sound. Of course these same people lust after effeminate, $10,000 monitors with zero bass impact, Lilliputian sound staging and girlie-man dynamics. They pontificate about the "accuracy" of their products and tolerate not heresy. They justify all the blatant shortcomings of their speakers with talk of "transparency" and try to intellectualize music itself. The problem is, of course, great music is all about emotion. Musical emotion is expressed primarily through dynamics. Music is both as minute is as a sliver and as vast as the Montana skies. Music is both as quiet as a breath and as thunderous as an assembled orchestra throttling up to Supernova. And the accurate portrayal of dynamics is one area in which Klipsch speakers have no peer any where near their price point. A Beautiful Time Machine Opening up the Belles was like opening up a time machine. The heavy-duty, brown, cardboard boxes, seem to have changed little over the 20 years I have been buying Mr. Klipsch's stuff. Once liberated from the boxes, I noticed how similar the crossovers and cabinetry are to Klipsch speaks of the late 70s. Oh, sure, a few things are no doubt different: I noticed the mid-horn (they still call it a squwaker) is some sort of super tough injected/resin plastic instead of the erstwhile metal and the veneer is attached to M.D.F., not plywood. But otherwise, it could be 1978. Charlie's Angels, Andy Gibb, pet rocks, click-clack balls, Barbarino, the whole nine yards dude. Construction quality was excellent. And to prove it I totally disassembled them. My wife thought my brain seized. "Why are you doing that to new speakers?" she asked. I started to answer but she waved me off and rolled her eyes (a habit my 22 month old daughter is beginning to master). "Never mind," she said "I wouldn't understand." But what an example of craftsmanship. Klipsch still builds a cabinet that could stand up to a Pamela Anderson Lee X-treme Fetish and Lubricant party. And I'm talking midgets, llamas, olive oil, aluminum foil, turkey basters, duct tape, well, I've heard that's what can be found there though I have no personal knowledge. Ah hem... Of course, I needed to hook them up to the resident system to see what they could do when pumped some good ol' Audio Research juice. So I did. Ever Hear a Southern Belle Sing? In setting up the Belles, I put them on the 14' wall of my 14'x 20' listening room. I placed them 26 inches from the back wall with 10 inches of toe-in and 5" from the side walls. This fired the speaks directly at my listening chair which sat about three feet from the rear wall. I would try many other positions but this set-up yielded the best balance of bass reinforcement, imaging and overall tonal balance. Initially, I hooked up the Belles in bi-wire configuration. This requires one to snip two, red, jumper wires (16 gauge stranded copper) and use an auxiliary barrier strip for hooking up the mid and tweet wire. I used AQ Indigo on the mids/tweets and AQ type six on the bottom. I powered up the ARC VT60 amp, ARC LS7 pre-amp, Thorens 320 MKII turntable, Ortofon X5-MC cartridge, Rotel phono stage and Pioneer PD 65 CD player (connected to AQ turquoise) and threw in Miles Davis Kind Of Blue CD (the new Columbia version) and before the first track was over I muted the volume. The Belles seemed bright, glassy and screechy. I knew something was wrong. I know Klipsch speaks have an unusually long break-in period and they can, at first, sound a bit harsh and aggressive but this was ridiculous. I quickly fashioned jumpers from doubled up AQ type 4 wire and stuck them in where the red jumpers had been. I ran the AQ Indigo wire to the main inputs. That balanced the Belles' sound considerably. They still seemed a little bit aggressive but this characteristic would essentially vanish later.(You know, buy a pair of Klipsch, get out the soldering iron) Don't bi-wire an new pair of Belles unless you prefer the sound of a mid and tweet horn section with all the restraint of David Crosby abandoned in a pharmaceutical warehouse. Wait until they break -in and then bi-wire them. Additionally, this would be a good time to remind faithful readers that any Klipsch speaker requires considerable user tweaking. I would estimate that after 200 hours of moderate volume playing and the removal of an damn redundant elliptical filter in the high horn circuit, the Belles softened wonderfully. Imagine a midrange so liquidy and seamless you'd swear a vocalist was in the room with you. Then picture an airy and quick tweeter. Finally imagine nearly unlimited and unconstrained dynamics with a sound stage that extends wall-to-wall and you start to have an idea of the potential of this speaker. Detracting from this wonderful picture was a tubbiness in the high bass (160-200 Hz) and a lack of articulation in the lower bass. The compression mid-driver still glares occasionally. (A problem I would suspect relates to too high a compression ratio) The Belles barely managed to stay +/- 5db ball park from 50 Hz-16 KHz when measured uncorrected for room response! And as usual I had to go through the crossover circuitry to troubleshoot a sibilance problem that nearly drove me to madness. After a few of the obligatory Klipsch tweeks, vocals were clear and intelligible at any listening level. In fact I had to keep track of the decibel level with a Radio Shack SPL meter so that I would not begin to damage my hearing and end up being the True Audio Review equivalent of Grandpa Simpson. None of the usual clues to music playing too loud were there. No distorted bass, hardening sibilants, no nasty compression, the Belles just sang loud and clear. Average listening levels were kept to the mid 90db range. When listening to moderately dynamic music at this level, the Belles would easily peak at 105-110db! Again with no compression or distortion. When listening to the Blue Note LP reissue of John Coltrane's Blue Train, Trane's sax sounds lush and alive. The trumpet and trombone sound weighty and brassy. The Belle's room energizing bass enabled me to easily follow the acoustic bass throughout the record. I closed my eyes and the band was in the room. No little eight-inch-woofer-based speaker system is going to convince you that a jazz band showed up to run through a couple of numbers for you. They may convince you that you're listening to a tape of the jazz band but never that they've set up in your living room. The laws of physics disallow it. These Belles will convince you, however. They sound that big, that right and that convincing. Ever heard a real snare drum get snapped by a powerful drummer? You never forget what it sounds and feels like. The Belles gave me both the sound and the feel of a real snare when listening to several Chesky jazz CDs. Cymbals sounded like thin sheets of brass (what! A cymbal sounding as if made of brass. Surely you jest?!) Conclusion If you're into the gimmickry of music reproduction you'll hate the Belles. They don't sound as if the front wave of sound starts somewhere behind them. Music doesn't loiter around the cabinet sidewalls. They don't project music in an "everything is just peachy" homogenous goo. The Belles throw music at the listener, all out in front like the real world does. That means the good the bad and the ugly. I would keep any Klipsch product as far away from dry, tizzy, solid-state electronics as the continental U.S. would allow. But hook them up to a great, smooth, tube system and you get a room-energizing sound that makes all other presentations seem like the audio equivalent of a wet dishrag. (Except maybe for the Magneplaner 3.5s hooked to the 600 wpc Krell. That system nearly kept me locked up in the basement for 30 hours a week.) The Audio Research VT60/Klipsch Belle combo was an audio marriage that Paul himself would bless. And by the way, if you need any help setting these Belles up call Nanci Barnes (another Southern Belle, get it!? Southern Belle. Ya see, Nancy, oh never mind) at Klipsch technical department at 1-800-KLIPSCH. She can give you all the tips for proper placement in your room and any other technical data you might need. (and by all means mention my name. I think she's kinda sweet on me). Paul Klipsch is still kicking around down there in Hope: listening, refining, tweaking. And good thing too. I tend to trust his ears and his science. I just wish his engineers would go the last step, reduce the compression in the the mid-horns, revisit the cross-over circuitry and time align these monsters!!! Anyway, I keep giving him my money whilst doing his leg-work. I love the guy. P.S. TWEAKS WARNING!!! WARNING!!! WARNING!!! (If you make the following modifications you will hopelessly void the warranty. And if you mess up, you'll be in the dungeon with Susan McDougal. (which may or may not be such a bad deal. I mean, she likes to wear short skirts, looks good in chains and hasn't had a man in a looooooooong time if you follow my drift) If you can't properly operate a soldering iron, by all means don't commence to cuttin' and snippin'. Leave your damn $4400 pair of speakers alone. They sound okay out of the box. If you possess any technical abilities at all, then make these mods at your own risk. True Audio Reviews can not be held liable for you messing your own stuff up. You know that!) One thing you'll notice instantly is the wire running from the crossover to the drivers. It's-yawn-16 gauge stranded copper wire. Replace the tweeter lead with AQ solid core 20 gauge wire. Replace the squwaker wire with AQ type 4. Run 12 gauge Monster Cable stranded cable to the woofer (you'll have to disassemble the top horn section and then open the woofer door on the bottom of the speak for this as there are two sections of woof wire). Carefully follow all the stranded 18 gauge wire in the crossover. Replace it with solid, 18 or 20 gauge copper wire (available at Radio Shack or scavenged from AQ wire). Solder all the connectors to the driver inputs. Also, you'll see two, small, black, rectangular 2-mfd capacitors setting side-by-side. You'll notice an identical capacitor that sets perpendicular to them. There is a jumper wire that goes from the lone cap to one of the side-by-side caps. Snip that wire. You've just cut the elliptical circuit. It stores energy and rings like crazy. This removes much nastiness. We're not done. Roll up two small balls of plumber's putty and smooth them over the backside of the metal tweeter horn. This will dampen any ringing. Mount the crossover network on rubber bumpers available at the hardware store. Lastly, stuff the mid/tweet horn cabinet with as much polyfill as can be stuffed into this recess. Don't ask me for the science. Me simple caveman audio reviewer. Huge positive difference. A few easy tweaks and you are rewarded with a world class speaker. Don't you just wish Klipsch would do this stuff for you!? TAR.

rebel7 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23794&item=7321248963&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW I love ebay its the best store in the world. looks like some water damage.

thanks i asked before but couldn't remember. i really want another for a center channel but in my room that would be overkill lol.

Let me get this straight you bought your mother a pair of Belles? If this doesn't get you into heaven or at least a sainthood I'll be dammed if I know what would.

I searched the forum and found a list of serial number codes but the numbers stamped on mine don't really match. The previous owner removed the tags but 4X389 is stamped on one and 4X390 is stamped on the other. What year does that make them? Does x=1982?

Hey Dee did you get these? A friend picked up Hereseys at Carries Flea Marketin SWLR for $20.00 ug.

Klipsch type H http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14991&item=5772181241&rd=1 Shorthorns http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=61378&item=5772161969&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW It seems when I thought I new all the heritage another pops up. Is the H basically a heresy? Has anyone heard these or the shorthorns?

---------------- On 5/5/2005 12:44:19 PM dodger wrote: Dee: If you do get them and re-veneer the tops, Tom Preston's recommendation of Watco Danish oil finish is an excellent choice. It comes in colours, and is almost bullett proof. I used it on guitars which people naturally sweat on. This in the late '60s, early '70s plus some furniture of my own. Colour and finish all in one. I recommended it to Silversport, give him a contact for his opinion. Good Luck, Win ---------------- I was talking to my brother who is a carpeneter about the table I just refinished and his first question to me was "why didn't you use watco oil and finish?" Think I'm going to try this watco on my next furniture project..

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Hey where are the Belles I have a wright pre and love it congrats let us know what you think of the sound

Wow very interesting information thanks again. I think he is going to keep an eye on ebay for a Vestrax VRX or a kingston dub cutter as he already has two technics 1200s.

---------------- On 5/5/2005 4:35:21 PM sunnysal wrote: this is for sale on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=48649&item=5771649510&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW ---------------- OMG thank you so much I searched ebay but your searching skills are more elite than mine..... THANKS It says it has no needles I'll see how much those are....

He has seen the midi scratchers but he is a purist wants vinyl. I think I found some interesting devices a little expensive though. The Vestax VRX about $6K new http://www.vestax.com/products/vrx2000.htm and then there is the Kingson Dub Platter Cutter http://formen.ign.com/news/26801.html http://www.vinylium.ch/dubcut/dubcutter.html He really doesn't make money doing mostly for fun and parties and making mixes.

---------------- On 5/5/2005 1:08:11 PM Maron Horonzak wrote: Watch out some copyrights may still apply. Both to the artist(and family) And record company. Some times older record companys are sold to new companys & copyrights are still intact. Id be pissed if someone bootleged my recordings. ---------------- It's not going to be for sale just for live dj events so it shouldn't be an issue. It would also be used to make beat loop records or whatever they use. I know one of the records could get him in trouble as the company that released it in the early 70's was sued and all available lp copies confiscated.

---------------- On 5/3/2005 4:40:33 PM sunnysal wrote: these cork/rubber blocks sound just like the mapleshade isoblocks which sell for $24 - 40 for a set of four. ---------------- Have you ordered any music off of Mappleshade? I have a recording from them of a Reggae band called Midnight and it is one of the best sounding CDs I own. I was curious about what else I should buy from mapleshade? The band is brilliant as well.

I have a good friend with very rare vinyl and he is also a DJ. We were talking the other day and he wants to scratch some of his rare records but he does not want to mess them up as some are worth $500+. I was wondering what the market is like on used record presses and what the goin rates are like. What brand record presses are avaialble and media used of course. I'm not sure how feasable this is but we were just curious. Thanks

---------------- On 5/5/2005 12:43:45 AM formica wrote: Anyone else into Front 242.... who are usually referred to as one of the fathers of Industrial and EBM music styles? They happen to be one of my long-time favourite bands... and recently announced they will be playing live this spring in only a few cities. Well... I got lucky, as they will be here in about two weeks. The rest of the shows are mostly in Europe. I was also fortunate enough to see them live last time they came to town for their Re:boot tour. I loved the show... but it is unusual to see a band which deals mostly with samplers play live. Anyone else going?... Rob ---------------- I used to listen to them but I broke out some of my Front 242 vinyl the other day that I had stashed and it just didn't do it for me anymore. I still like Ministry, KMFDM (saw live in portland), and Meat Beat Manifesto. The new Meat Beat Manifesto album is freaking amazing probably their best album to date. I am not sure I would call them fathers of industrial chicago house music perhaps. I would reseerve that title for Psychic TV, Throbbing Gristle, Skinny Puppy, Ministry, Butthole Surfers, Ethyl Meatplow (song Devils Johnson is a riot), and or Coil. I would have loved to have seen Ministry. Thanks for the reminder I forgot about alot of these bands.

I've probaly read hitchhikers guide a dozen times. The movie seemed to be missing alot of Douglas Adams clever dialogue but it was fun and I think I even liked it. I wish Terry Gilliam had directed but oh well. Perhaps they will finish the ahem trilogy and then make a Dirk Gently nobel into a movie : ) What so terrible about being drunk? Ask a glass of water. Gonna have a pangalacticgargleblaster and attempt to get my girlfriend to roleplay as the triple breasted ***** of eroticon six. RIP Douglas Adams