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Q: Will there be any type of get together in Hope, AR the weekend before the Monday April 8, 2024 early afternoon eclipse, 1 month post PwK Birthday Bash? Hello All: Should have posted this long ago. The eclipse should be visible in its totality near De Queen, AR and the OK border for just over 4 minutes. Not far from Hope, AR - about 60 miles or a little over an hour drive each way. DFW and LIT airports are about 3.5 and 2.5 hours away from De Queen, respectively. I am in New Orleans, so this is about the closest drive for me. Just under 7 hours. Would gladly come to Hope to hang out if any Klipsch "stuff" was going on like a get together. I missed the PWK Birthday Bash in Hope, AR 2 weeks ago. If nothing is going on in Hope, I would likely go to San Antonio to see eclipse due to normally drier conditions and just to have more things to do: River Walk, Alamo, great BBQ, etc. Can stop in Houston on way back as well. Great food in Houston. Either way, the drive is quite boring and sometimes the car gets covered in love bugs, LOL. From NOLA with love
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palladium Wanted: Klipsch Palladium P-17b and/or P-39f Speakers
nola replied to etc6849's topic in Garage Sale
Hello: Came across this posting by accident while looking for ATMOS speakers, LOL. I also have friends in Irmo, on the lake In our circles, Extron and similar companies are virtually unheard of. Their market is equipping auditoriums and even smaller meeting rooms that require a high level of conferencing connectivity. Thus, 2 usually entirely separate needs. Extron only sells via local dealers / installers and I gave up on them as no one showed any real interest in my home set up. However my guess is that the SSP 200 would be of similar size to the Arvus and around $1500 for the device itself with all of the additional pieces and software (per Ebay listings) - except for the needed amps and speakers. For home use, there might not be any support. There are some pdfs and 1 is noted below. Perhaps where you live, there are folks (auditorium / meeting room suppliers / installers) that can expand beyond 7.1-4.4 if required for home use. Also please be aware that some of the higher end Denon (for example the new 6800H) and Marantz AVRs have 4 unique sub outputs, so 7.4.4, 15 channels. I do not know of a consumer grade AVR that can handle any more than 4 subs or 4 ATMOS speakers. All of these units incorporate amps, so they are much taller and heavier. Consumer level ATMOS pre amp only units are very expensive - and not all are well rated or still use somewhat older AV technologies like HDMI 2.0, etc. FWIW, I do not know of any chatter from Dolby or dBX sound engineers regarding how good or bad various consumer AVRs etc are in terms of implementation of ATMOS or ground level surround channels - much less components used in theatres. These employees and the folks that make or supply sound for movie theatres might not be allowed to speak publicly about consumer use items. So far as I know, individual consumers have no reasonable cost access to decoding hardware or software short of buying new AVR type units. However, for room corrections, there are several software (Audissey and DIRAC) and hardware (miniDSP and UMIK mic + REW software) solutions available and under 1K cost. https://www.extron.com/product/printable.aspx?id=ssp200 From NOLA with love..... -
WTB Academy Does anyone have an old academy or two laying around?
nola replied to merkin's topic in Garage Sale
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Thanks for the replies. Having a bad time finding the larger driver RSX5's. But cost should be less than the AW 525s. Some RSX 4's and 3's at Ebay. I will have to find my Dolby ATMOS engineering DLs to recheck the positioning and angles suggested for a 7.x.4 set up. Might be able to clamp 2x4" stud board to 2 bookcases on 1 side of room (somehow attaching speakers to these boards) and figure something out with high drapery rod on other side of room. Then have figure out how to mount LT rear ATMOS speaker by fireplace behind couch. Might clamp 2x4 to shelf by fireplace. But too much to do for now - been a busy Sunday in New Orleans. Thx again !! From NOLA with love.
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I have a single Belle being used as a center between Khorns. No under Belle sub as you have and mine is still on carpet runners with a 1/2 inch air gap to floor. For reasons utterly unknown to me the Belle sounds better and with deeper bass than the Khorns - and the Khorns are on wooden slats on top of the hardwood floor and in sealed off corner positions. Enjoy !! From NOLA with love. I am in the French Quarter are you near Mobile?
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WTB Academy Does anyone have an old academy or two laying around?
nola replied to merkin's topic in Garage Sale
I have 2 Academy's. Bought at different times. Darker than photos from Peredoz. Great shape. Let me know if interested. Neither has been used in years. In New Orleans, so out of your way. But lots of reasons to come to NOLA: festivals almost every weekend. Mardi Gras, French Quarter Fest, JazzFest (with Mick Jagger stopping by this year with about 80-100K of his fiends), etc. One was bought in Phoenix area when I lived there about 30 years ago same day I met PWK !! He was pretty old back then. Other was likely bought in 2006. I used them as center channels below 65" and 55" TVs until 2014. -
Hello Fellow Klipsch-ers: Agree, no hope for sonic match to Khorns, etc. But with ATMOS, unlike centers or surrounds, would it likely matter that much? And to be honest, really not in a position to hang Heresy's from the ceiling. I live in an 1890s French Quarter of New Orleans house. Although a Bauhaus and FL Wright kind of guy, I want to be as respectful as possible of the house by not messing with the walls or ceiling. It deserves to be preserved. As I tell friends, it is my retirement home until I go to the retirement home !! I bought the ELAC Connex DCB41, 0.75" plus 4.5” driver, unknown sensitivity, 5.5 x 10 x 8” 7.6 and 6.3 lbs - small speakers a month ago (for kitchen or bathroom use). I do not need the 50W amp portion for ATMOS use. Took a look at their size and especially their weight per what I am guessing the moldings can hold. Simply stated, I think the moldings will be ok holding up the lighter passive speaker. Given that I have never done this before, and might have to change speaker location if I mess up, perhaps 1 screw hole per speaker into the easily repairable molding and hanging the speaker via a picture wire or similar. Sort of like how they hang pictures at a museum or art gallery from these wall / ceiling junction moldings. Could adjust wire for downslope angle and fashion something out of cloth for the room / couch toe in angle, and to avoid touching the upper wall. The 650s might be too heavy at 9 lbs each. RP-500SA II are 9.6 lbs each and about twice the price. What do folks think? The Klipsch AW 525s seem the most reasonable compromise right now: 80-20k, 94dB, 1" and 5.25" drivers, 6.5 lbs, 11.8 x 8 x 9 “ white. Found some at various websites and Ebay. Affordable too. Web reviewers find the treble to be too powerful / unbalanced thus thinning out the mids and bass. At the price, no reason to buy Polks - Def Techs were more expensive. For ATMOS, not sure it matters. I am also assuming the ATMOS mostly does 50/80/100 -10k and not any deep bass as part of its spatial effects. I also have 2 old unused (hopefully still functioning) pro audio headphone plug type for both in and out ?Raine equalizers, so might apply them here to tone down the treble if needed. I can also use the 80 Hz universal crossover point for subs on my new Pioneer LX505 AVR (only allows 50 or 80 Hz etc for all speakers - not per speaker). If I don't like them I can always use them in the courtyard, LOL. So for $200 or so used, I can test these out for 2 of the 4 ATMOS speakers. Your comments are appreciated From NOLA with love
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MMurg: Thank you. The Professional / Cinema lines are likely perfect Klipsch ATMOS speakers for many folks here in our situation: trying to match large Heritage speakers in larger than average home rooms. Did not know about these until seeing your links and others I found to follow! I would encourage others to post their suggestions as well. Did see many web postings that more or less stated matching ATMOS speakers to mains is not important, perhaps due to limited use. Listened to official demo video of Dolby ATMOS (about 2 minutes long). Definitely heard lots of sound via my sound check little speakers (just to make sure my new AVR worked ok). Also listened to 1917 BluRay with my ears next to these speakers to demo the ATMOS speaker channels. Very disappointed about how little sound actually came through these old crappy tiny speakers via the BluRay disc. Friends and some web posts had warned me about setting my hopes for ATMOS too high, pun intended. I could not find prices on some of these Klipsch speakers, eg the 8 inch woofer 801's. Most seemed to be at least $800.00 each bought new. However, I am not confident about my moldings holding more than 5-10 lbs per speaker and trying to avoid anything beyond a picture hanging technique like you see at museums. Only as a last resort would I try to drill through the walls hoping to find the "unfindable" studs: 1890s house with some mix of plastered and sheet-rocked walls. Plan B is to paint and screw 2x4 10 foot or so stud-board to furniture up front and to a rear bookcase, plus clamping it to fireplace shelf in the rear. Then mount the ATMOS speakers. The KPT-801's were about the smallest and were 18 lbs each, per the Cinema brochure. The consumer grade Klipsch 500s are intended for use on top of a newer floor-standing speaker and for firing up to the ceiling to bounce the ATMOS back to folks. The SVS ATMOS speakers seemed more of less designed for high wall or ceiling mounting https://www.svsound.com/products/prime-elevation. Other web suggestions included Focal Sibs https://www.avsforum.com/threads/svs-prime-elevation-for-atmos.2975330/, but no mention of which model. I would need to use creative mounting to angle any of these to my couch area. I understand the Dolby ATMOS dispersion "requirements" in order to cover a reasonable listening area per the Dolby ATMOS spec sheets obtained via the Dolby website. But, to be honest, due to the weight limits, I am starting to think that regular small and light weight speakers might be best for my circumstances, even if the dispersion is somewhat suboptimal. Being more mainstream, pricing would be lower as well. I recently bought a pair of ELAC Connex speakers for the kitchen or bathroom. They sounded great at DC AudioFest in November. I compared them to my smaller and much lighter bargain bin Klipsch ProMedia 2.0s that are also bluetooth. In my bedroom the ELACs were only slightly better sounding overall (though much better looking and more complex design plus additional input / output choices). So maybe speakers with 5-6" drivers might be the best compromise. The 801's were listed as having a sensitivity of 96 dB. I think most smaller speakers will have sensitivities in the upper 80s (dB), 87 for SVS ATMOS. So another potentially major issue is that few smaller speakers will be close to the efficiency of the Khorns, LSs, Belle, or Heresy's. So getting enough dB out of small speakers (without blowing the voice coils) to match the big boys could be a real amplification issue. Pioneer has MCACC and DIRAC (not the bass correction one) built in for room correction, but there must be limits to corrections. Very glad for additional comments or suggestions. Might help others in the future as well. From NOLA with love.
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OMG, how did you get the Belle up on top of the TV !! Forklift or same method as moving stones for the Pyramids !! BTW, when I first saw the picture I did not see the Belle as I was looking below the TV. The Belle seamlessly merges into your cabinet. But to take out and flip it....do you know a good hernia surgeon or did linebacker sized guys do it ? At least I know where to go for venison.
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High wall, sub ceiling ATMOS speaker reccs to "match" Khorns, Belle, LaScalas , Heresy's in a 7.x.4 set up Hello Folks. Just received my new Pioneer VSX LX505 AVR. It can be used for a 7.1.4 set up. My room is 14 x 27 x 12.5. Hardwood floors and moldings where the walls meet the ceiling. I do not want to do in ceiling speakers. Prefer hanging 4 ATMOS speakers from the moldings. SVS seems to have some angled ATMOS speakers that should work for the purpose. I only saw up firing ATMOS speakers from tower speakers on the Klipsch website, like the RP-500SA. Mix of Heritage speakers from the mid 70s. Khorns and Belle up front, Heresy Is by the couch (middle of room) and LaScalas in the rear. I have multiple subs, both single and dual 18s available as well. Forgive me if this has been asked before, but what ATMOS speakers do folks suggest - per high wall location? Thanks in advance From NOLA with love
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1 vote for the Belle as center. How is your bass response on carpeted floors? When working in DC area previously I had 4 Heresy Is in my 525 sf or so studio apt. Then brought up 2 LaScala IIs from Florida from my parent's house. After hooking up the LS IIs it was clear that the sound field was much more impressive than the H Is. Due to layout, no center channel, so never used the H Is for that purpose. I unhooked the front H Is and never looked back !! Belle vs LS: in the 80s and 90s most folks I knew or talked to thought the Belle was the better and much prettier center. But I had a 4.0 system until around 2005, so never an issue for me. Your choice of course if you want the larger center without cramping your style or goals. FWIW: consider having a local cloth artist do a cover for the LSs if that is your choice. I know an artist in New Orleans that has a good woodblock for printing Johnny Cash that could be used on cloth. Working on my 14 x17 x 12.5 foot man cave room now. I have a AA and an ALK x over for the 2 Khorns and a Belle from the ? late 70s. For reasons completely unknown to me the Belle sounds much better and fuller than either Khorn, especially the bass. Khorns are on a hardwood floor lifted by about 1 inch with 2 inch x 2 ft wood slats from Home Depot or Lowes, with microfiber cloths to sort of fill the gaps of any unevenness. AC pipe foamy insulation used at the motor boards and top hats, so a reasonable seal, but not perfect. Sealing the speakers to the corners and dealing with the decorative cloth wings was an absolute nightmare !! By contrast the Belle is on some carpet runners to make it easy to move, so not in any way wood on wood to the floor and 1/2 inch air gaps too. No crossover upgrade / re-cap. So again, no idea why it sounds the best. The 3 front speakers have very different timbres, but in real time use this is not an issue. I have my 75" inch TV on top of the Belle. TV really is too high per my couch. But there is no other practicable way to deal with the speaker and the TV. I even thought of turning the Belle upside down behind the TV and dropping the TV 12-18". But given my room layout and that these cover up a very nice fireplace and sconce I did not want to deal with any other weirdness to my system. I did not try using one of my LaScalas. 2 will be the rear surrounds (side surrounds will have to be Heresy 1s due my room configuration issues). 2 LSs are in my bedroom and 2 LS IIs are in storage for now and likely need to be sold...LOL. From NOLA with love....
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Hello Folks: Linus Tech Tips also did a review a few years ago. I bought some Infinite Cables from Canada based on the review. Work fine with my new Pioneer LX505 AVR and Panasonic BDP. My old cables could not handle the Dolby Atmos Blue Ray data rates. However, tons of internet postings re eARC handshake issues which turn out to be common between TVs, AVRs, soundbars, etc. So, if that is the issue, might not be the fault of the cable. eARCs of my TCL R646 TV (2021) and 505 AVR do not like each other, LOL. It is a bit of a crap shoot. ygmn: I am in NOLA and part of BBATS. Feel free to say hi or send a PM. Red Beans and Ricely yours......Satchmo From NOLA with love
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Wuzzer: Thank you for the reply I will presume that the "voicing" or matching of timbre for the heritage speakers using existing components is going to be difficult. My only option would be to build a stand to place over the khorns and aim the 40 lb Heresy Is, likely on their sides, towards the couch. Not readily practicable and would be a bit of an eye sore as well. Glad the smaller Klipsch speakers work in your Heresy set up. I wonder how the KL audio engineers approach this? I have a few cheap smaller speakers to experiment with. Also wonder where optimal placement would be for 2 or 4 ATMOS / presence (Yamaha AVR) speakers?
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Hope it's ok to post on this old thread vs starting a new thread: Atmos speakers to match Heritage line: what kind and where to place them. Suggestions for decoders or processors also welcome. Thinking about updating system electronics and adding speakers. Seeking suggestions for Atmos (or presence) speakers for Heritage setup: Klipschhorns up front, Belle center and LaScala rears. 14 x 27' room. Couch is about 8 feet from front of room. Can easily add Heresy Is at the sides for 7.1. Can even use them for Atmos (I have 6 H Is in good shape and ready to be used in new house). Multiple amps - so not an issue. Old Outlaw Audio 990, using Toslink audio inputs (pre HDMI) and 4K HDMI for 2021 large TV. Audio output as 5.1, splitting the .1 into 2 large non horn loaded pro audio type subs. Also have an extra Onkyo TS XR805, that can handle older HDMI standard to 7.1. Both of these work nicely in my room - if not for Atmos, I would not be thinking about upgrading. I do not want to break the bank upgrading either. Given my 1890s vintage house and room, I do not see in ceiling mounting as an option, though that should be discussed for other members willing to do this. Khorns are in front corners, so nothing can be placed behind them. Some newer AVRs, eg Denon 3700, 3800, or 4800 series or Extron SSP 200 can decode Atmos and DTS:X into multi speaker environments and allow up to 2 sub ports and 2 to 4 Atmos speaks (I think). Comments welcome, thank you. From NOLA with love.
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Mostly mid 1970s Heresy I, IIs, LaScalas, Belle and Klipschorn maintenance, sealing, and placement questions Hello Folks: Mostly mid 1970s Heresy I, IIs, LaScalas, Belle and Klipschorn maintenance, sealing, and placement questions I have been reading many of the old, sometimes 20 year old posts. Many of the project and photo links no longer work . Moved into my new house. 1890s, hardwood floors 12-14 foot ceilings and 14 x27 ft main room plus 11 x 14 foot bedroom. Higher floor moldings than the K horn rear cutouts. General questions, some of which I am only asking due to the high cost and / or limited ability to get parts. Pre COVID, I would likely just do these. On all speakers, but do the big boys first: check all caps and replace the spam can caps on all of the larger speakers that were not previously replaced about 15 years ago, post Hurricane Katrina. Should I just contact Bob Crites? I will assume the crossovers, either original Klipsch or ALKs that I built when he sold the kits years ago are otherwise ok. I know I have a LaScala with a blown tweeter. Which replacement is suggested and will xover changes be required? I do have some baby butt JBL tweeters. Not sure if ok with the xovers. Should all cabinets be opened to check seals, gaskets and snug placement of woofers, mids, and tweeters? Re-gasket and reseal as needed – what do folks suggest for replacement gaskets / seals? Or: if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it? Should “O” rings between Alnico or KL drivers and various Klipsch horn components be replaced? If so, with what – just red rubber 25 cent plumber’s O rings? I have never opened any of the large speaker woofer panels / dog houses, etc. I have owned all speakers for about 15-34 years. FWIW I do have 1 set of wooden horn with 1 inch throats I think for the Khorns and a set of JBL radial horns of similar size (still looking for the drivers, lost in a box someplace). Old place had uneven stone floors and crumbly brick walls on 3 sides, plus roof leaks. 17 x 40 uniroom with high sloped ceiling (about 12-17 ft high) and good acoustics. New main room is much smaller, rectangular and without any carpeting or treatments is sonically very harsh. None of the 4 large outside windows work anymore – sealed shut long ago. No idea for the age or “firmness” of the existing plasterboard or drywall, but likely before the 1980s. I do not want to mess the place up making additional 4 x 4 ft 1 in thick plywood wall corners and triangle above the floor to brace things better. This would also likely require screwing the 4 x 4 s above the existing baseboards and floor. For sealing the khorns into a corner, the issue for me is that the baseboard is a few inches taller than the lower Khorn cutout. Should I make some cuts onto the Khorn or simply cut some strips of 1-2 inch wide x 1-2 inch thick pieces of wood and use foam pipe insulation or door seal around them and the rear of the Khorn to make a wall seal on the sides? Some great old posts with pics, like Garyd9 on 2 22 2004 (and many others): https://community.klipsch.com/index.php?/topic/37435-sealing-bass-bin-of-khorn/page/2/. Includes the wood corner braces too. I did not find a consensus on how to seal the top few inches or the bottom few inches in the center rear of the K horn woofer cabinet against the vertical wall corner. Suggestions? For sealing any of the large speakers to the floor (not the Heresy’s I guess) these seem to be representative posts: HDBRbuilder had several posts emphasizing the use of grippers, from Jan 7, 2009: Dr. Who: I would like to remind that if it is NOT grippers, then it may NOT have the same effect. Grippers are peel and stick 1/4" thick NEOPRENE with a traction enhancing non-stick side, which will "squish" somewhat under weight and give a better stability on SMOOTH-SURFACED floors which are slightly uneven. Groomlakearea51Posted March 14, 2007 Yup, pipe insulation works perfectly; You can also use 1/4 size (also comes with the "peel off" tape for the sticky edge). To seal to the floor.... I replaced the factory metal gliders (they will tear up a hardwood floor....) with teflon "gliders", but used more of them, including three "inboard" in the center; then used a piece of 3/16" thick x 3/4" wide closed cell foam weather stripping, but did not peel off the the "floor" side "sticky" cover. Slides around perfectly. Cheap to replace after several "move out for spring cleaning" moves that will tend to wear it off. I'm also debating about doing the same thing on the edges instead of pipe insulation next time around. Easier to trim and gets them very close to the wall. My humble Qs: since the 100+ pound LaScala, Belle, or Khorn is technically on small pieces of squished slightly pliable material, is it really “nailed” to the floor? I found some Scotch 8 gripping pads, 1.5 in diam at Home Depot for about $5.00, SP940-NA, 0-51141 59807-9 bar code. I also looked at some of the kitchen drawer liners at Walmart: https://www.walmart.com/search?q=drawer+liner. Could something like these do the trick? Mostly under $1 per foot. How easy or difficult is it to extract those small metal gliders from the factory? I can see doing this with the grippers and the LaScalas and Belle as 2 folks could move the speakers into place with only mildly destroyed finger tips and knuckles at worst. But why not just remove the metal gliders and place directly on the floor with maybe a few pieces of paper or cardboard or those floor sample freebies from Home Depot or Lowes stuffed under a corner to prevent any issues from uneven hardwood? Or even a few pieces of thin wood directly under the corners or fully under the outer floor edges of speakers and using foam or gasket to seal air around the corners and just leave the metal gliders in place? As for the Khorns, doing the grippers plus sealing the rear woofer cabinet to the wall corner will be a real problem so as not to mess up the floor and our hands. Since folks agree not to place the Khorns on a carpet (carpet plastic bottom to the KH bottom), I was thinking of using very thin wood strips above the floor, maybe ¼-½ in thick. For example, just cut to needed length: from Lowes: ReliaBilt 1/4-in x 2-in x 4-ft Square Unfinished Poplar Board Model #POPSRL142SU04 $3.04 Seems cheap and easy. Could use multiple wood strips both to move the speakers in and out and seal the air around the KH base similar to the vertical corner walls (adding a touch of foam at the triangle corners). Likely a major finger saver too. The metal sliders could be left in place. Would folks foam or weather strip seal the KH bottoms to the floor (if it could even be done) to prevent any movement through the “cracks”? Thx From NOLA with love
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