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granted this isnt exactly a "sales forum," it still isn't nice to thread crap. that's a bannable offense on a lot of the selling/buying forums i visit.

---------------- Are you perhaps confusing it with trying to avoid parallel surfaces or something else? ---------------- ah yes, that could be it. thanks for clearing things up for me, you've been a great help. edit: as for avoiding parallel surfaces, should i only places these masonite creations on two of my walls? i was planning on just putting them on the back (the wall my couch is against) and one of my side walls. also, should i have them placed on the wall behind my speakers and to the side of my speakers? kind of like boxing them in with the masonite panels? if i do this, i don't think i'll be able to keep them a foot away from the panels, i'd be losing way too much space in my 11'x11' room

---------------- On 7/11/2005 10:17:18 PM mdeneen wrote: As far as I can tell, no one who is serious about sound is listening to CDs. ---------------- i find that statement insulting. that's kind of like saying someone can't be a true car enthusiast just because all they have at the moment is an old ford taurus.

the bloodwood catches my eye

digital media is a lot more convenient. i can't picture myself using an analog source as an every day listening device. it'd just be too much of a pain to sort your music, find what you want to listen to, and finally play it. there's no question that an analog source will always sound better, but if i had to choose between exclusively analog or exlusively digital for the rest of my life, i think i'd go with digital. edit: i'm in no way insulting analog, i do plan on buying a decent turntable and phono stage, but those parts are at the bottom of my list. i consider it to be more of an "icing on the cake" kind of thing for me while there are many other things i could purchase to improve my listening experience.

---------------- On 7/11/2005 5:03:00 PM heresy2guy wrote: "If you liked the Heresy's wait until you hear the mighty Cornwall." - Piranha _______________________ Maybe he was just put off by the asking prices of those speakers, hence him liking the cheaper Heresy, i.e. best bang for the buck. -H2G ---------------- or maybe he genuinely did not like the speakers. can't anyone have an unpopular opinion these days?

---------------- On 7/11/2005 2:30:59 PM DrWho wrote: As far as placement goes, early reflection points are a great place to start (the spot on the wall where you would see the speaker in a mirror). ---------------- the spot on the wall where you would see it in a mirror? i'm not following you too much here. would that still apply if your speakers are toe'd in? assuming you have the speakers aiming at the center of the rear wall, wouldn't that be the first reflection point? whereas putting a mirror there, you obviously wouldnt see the two speakers. granted, i'm not too educated on how sound waves travel and such, but it just seems logical to me this way. i would then assume that after hitting the back wall, they would then reflect at the same angle toward the side walls and such. if i was to over simplify it, i would say i'm picturing this kind of like hitting a ball on a pool table. your idea for setting them up like columns sounds good. but for me to pull that off i'd have to set them up somewhat symetrically. and everything i've read says to avoid symmetry as much as possible

---------------- On 7/10/2005 7:40:59 PM I.T. Guy wrote: I was leaning towards the 250. ---------------- i use an mc250 to power my la scalas, and i must say i'm very impressed with the sound this sucker puts out. they're quite inexpensive too. i paid $475 shipped for mine due to the condition, but i think i recall seeing some pretty good looking ones sell on ebay in the $300 range! granted, i haven't heard any other "good" amplifiers, and i'm not close enough with a dealer to allow me to take one home for testing, but according to what i've read, the mc250 is the closest im going to get to a tube amp without actually buying a tube amp. it's rated at 50wpc, but i've read that it is really good up to 63 wpc or so. i haven't been able to make this thing clip, even turned all the way up. i suppose my source isnt loud enough to accomplish this... i may need a preamp to find out what this "clipping" really is. on the flip side, a few people on the audiogon forum have given this amp terrible reviews, such as no bass, no soundstage, and basically no life. perhaps it just doesn't mate well at all with some other speakers, but for my klipsch, i'm very pleased for what i paid.

not big enough. needs another 15 incher.

hi colin, i moved my speaker out exactly one foot from the each of corners (back/front). i can't honestly say i notice much of a difference, but it does make the room look "neater" somewhat, so i'll leave it this way. i didn't give it much of a listen though, as i was more interested in quenching my thirst from reorganizing the furniture in the other room. i'll spend more time listening in an hour or so. thanks

after looking at that picture again, drwho, i noticed that those things are supposed to be 4' x 8' large! wow. that's goign to be quite the interesting piece of "decor". i suppose i'd put one on my back wall and left wall (if viewing the room from the diagram i made) it wouldn't be doable on the other wall. so i guess two of those suckers is all i can fit in this room unless i completely cover the walls, then i may be able to squeeze four to six. dr. boner (quite the name this fellow has) suggests that 5% - 10% of the room be covered. well wow, with those dimensions he must be talking about one hell of a large room to need a bunch of them to cover 5-10%.

first off, i've carefully read over each reply and you've all been a big help. thank you. dr.who does have a valid point about these pillows, and i will take that into consideration. but on the other hand, nodisc has used these pillows before with good results, so i'm kind of being pulled from both ends. now, after looking at the diagram dr.who posted, his solution does seem rather inexpensive and simple to make now that i can visualize it. and yes, i can stuff insulation behind them as well if that will improve performance. i don't have a magical equation to calculate optimal sizes and humps, so i suppose i'll just use the three dimensions listed in the picture. my question is, are these mainly utilized as bass traps, or do they have any kind of hf diffusion/absorbtion properties as well? assuming thse perform well when randomly placed around the room's walls, i can probably have the best of both worlds by combining nodisc's solution and dr.who's. nodisc, those roomtune packs look strikingly simillar.. no.. actually the same as eigthnerve's response line. what is the difference between the two? eithnerve's seems to actually be double the price. i did read comments on their forum about it being a blatant ripoff (meaning the roomtunes came first), but i didn't look into it much. as for pulling my speakers out from the corners 6" to a foot, i suppose that is doable. i'll try that later tonight along with centering my sub. thanks again.

those look pretty good. i could easily fill up one of those with all of my records. the only problem is, i have no phono stage or tt!

---------------- On 7/7/2005 8:17:47 PM No Disc wrote: Nathan can certainly tell you why it works to treat the room corners (nodes) as their called. All I can tell you is the net effect is very positive. Read some of the responses of the customers who have installed them, that will give you an idea of how effective they are. As far as I know the room pack is still available, again, contact nathan. No Disc ---------------- yup, i've contacted him about roompack pricing. if his product is as good as everyone on the forums make it out to be, i should be in for quite a treat if i decide to buy it. although what he says about the "new product" that is coming out does sound rather interesting. he claims it made his 13x10 or so room sound comparable to $100k studios. then again, it's probably way out of my price range.

he could've atleast cleaned them up a bit... i can see a lot of dust in the bass horn area.

dr.who, that design seems to be simillar to the DIY basstraps i described in my first post, except instead of the masonite, i'd be using 6" non faced insulation, and compressing it about 3 inches or so, which supposedly helps with its "bass trapping" abilities. they're also going to be wrapped in polyester batting (as per the instructions) to absorb some high frequencies, and have "flimsy plastic" wrapped around half of the cylinder (i guess to reflect hf back). the only thing is, these are going to be like 14-16" in diameter. the instructions also state that they should have space between them and the wall (2 inches or so). nodisc's suggestion for those response pillows really attracts me because of its size. when you're in a 11x11 room, size is everything!

those response "pillows" don't seem too bad price wise. although it's going to be a bit hard keeping a straight face paying $100 for four small triangular pillows, i guess i can bite. i can't seem the find the price of their room pack though. it's supposed to come with two echoes, four triangles, and four of those horizontal pillows (seams). if i go with the response line, it looks like i'll be purchasing those anyway, so i may as well buy it in a "pack" as it will probably be a bit cheaper. thanks. and i'm still open to other suggestions.

thanks for the suggestion, but after looking at their prices for the adept line, treating the corners with rectangles/triangles alone would cost me $1000 + shipping. in their gallery they also have horizontal rectangles placed along the top of the room, which are another $150 each. that's a bit too rich for my blood edit: their minimal size is quite attractive though. for arguments sake, if i went with them, i'd definitely be able to treat the corner near my door.

hi, above is a rough sketch of the room. please don't laugh as you can see, it's rather small with less than optimal size ratios. the room is 11'x11' with nothing more than carpeted floors. i'm going to be looking into making/purchasing some room treatments. i can't really fit bass traps in the corner near my entrance door, as there isnt much space there and i wouldn't be able to get the door open without moving the bass trap every time someone enters/exits. so basically, i would only be able to fit 3 corner basstraps in the room. as for putting bass traps behind the speakers, that would be putting the speakers even closer to my listening position, but if you think it would offer much improvement, i'll give it a shot. my budget isn't infinite, so spending in the $1000's isn't really an option. i was planning on constructing DIY basstrap tubes i found somewhere on the net which consisted of animal wire, 6" insulation, and five discs to support the tube. as for other treatments, such as foam padding or diffusers, i'm not exactly sure where in the room i'd place those for most efficiency. i'm also wondering if my speaker positioning looks optimal to you. they're almost touching the walls as you can see (only about 2 inches between each corner and the wall in reality), and are toe'd in to aim directly at the center of my room. i tried to push them as far back and as far away from eachother as possible to make up for my room constraints. i'd prefer not to place any kind of treatments in the center of the wall behind the speakers. i'm going to be watching movies (in two channel) from a projector here, and unless i get some kind of pull down screen, it's not going to work out too well for me. thanks for reading my thread. -chris edit: i've built risers that are 6-3/4" for the la scalas. someone on the forum suggested i do so, and it did make a pleasing difference. thank you to him as well. i'm sure you know who you are

wouldnt that design essentially sound exactly the same as a cornscala, except this wouldn't have the advantage of being able to be rotated freely?

if you're looking for portability and high fidelity sound, i'm sure others are going to recommend heresys

---------------- On 7/3/2005 1:01:10 AM J.4knee wrote: I should have a rudimentary test done by the end of this holiday. I'll post my results. These will be purely anecdotal results as I have no way of measuring anything other than a correction scale for my Rat Shack SPL meter assuming it is valid for the digital one and test tones from my DVE disk and of course my opinion on what I hear. ---------------- no problem. i personally don't care what i see on paper. i want to hear other people's opinions on how it sounds to THEM.

interesting.. i never thought bracing could make such a difference that one would need to attenuate the mf/hf. edit: if i try this, it's sure going to be a pain getting the measurements perfect

you can't take them out of the boxes? if you want to keep the boxes and padding you can always fold them up and shove them somewhere. bring a flew blankets and stack the speakers ontop of eachother's sides in your back seat. it should fit. remove the feet if they seem like a problem.

---------------- On 6/25/2005 11:23:20 PM edwinr wrote: It's really sad that Bose has aimed their marketing strategy at the less well informed. And to rub salt into the wound, charge these poor people an arm and a leg over what they should pay. Outright sound quality for many of these Bose systems are actually okay for el-cheapo all-in-one systems. But compared with what should be their natural opposition being Sony/Panasonic type entry level systems, they are WAY over priced. ---------------- well arent they pretty much the only speaker company that markets speakers of that size? i'm sure if another known brand starts putting attractive mini-speakers in stores they'll get some good sales