PrestonTom

I would immediately contact who ever sold them to you. You paid a sizable amount and that appears to be way beyond a small scuff. Good luck with it.

August 6th I am bumping my own thread. Don't be nervous about making an offer. A simple PM can get the ball rolling. Thanks -Tom

August 6th I am bumping my own thread. Don't be nervous about making an offer. A simple PM can get the ball rolling. Thanks -Tom

Congratulations ! Don't worry too much about opinions on the internet. Spend several months listening to your speakers and adjusting how they are arranged in your living room (be systematic and it can be a tedious process). Once that is done, then it is time to think about possible "upgrades". Enjoy them, -Tom

Noticed that Edgar said "selected number". So, yes the calculation is correct (if you said before the 1st roll) the probability of a "four", but you could have said (before any roll) any of the 5 other numbers. So the probability is a higher, ( that 4 rolls would be the same number, but not necessarily a specific number) but overall it is still quite small.

To the OP: the price and packaging of the JBL M2's are incorrectly stated in this thread. They are not being sold at $25 k with amplifiers. New ones can be purchased for thousands less. They are also on the used market, and they can also be purchased without the Crown amplifiers. If you are intent on the Jubilees (new or old style); 1) the new ones are cost prohibitive (IMHO), 2) the older style are no longer being produced and there are very few on the used market (there is an exception but the price was incredibly jacked up to the point where it no longer had a good performance to price ratio). Good luck, -Tom EDIT: I see you just posted that you have the old style Jubilees. At this juncture you really need hear the other speakers (JBL M2's or 4367's etc, etc). At this price point there are some great speakers out there, each with their own personalities. Is there something specific that you don't care for with the old style Jubilees? I thought they were very good, especially at $8.5K.

I reply to my esteemed colleague above, sometimes if you want speakers that are above the rest and still affordable, then you might have to assemble them and build them yourself.

I have received several PMs regarding this, so let me answer publicly about the M2 (I am not involved in building the "alternative" 4367). The parts can be purchased from an authorized JBL dealer. Choices include Simply Speakers in Florida or Pro Sound Solutions in MA. Be sure to understand whether the price includes taxes and shipping and are the parts currently available. Over the last several years the prices have varied all over the place (both up and down) and sometimes the parts were restricted to "replacement parts only" with the usual restrictions. Right now things seem to be available and affordable. You will need the tweeter horn, the tweeter driver (skip the idea of trying to "upgrade" unless you know what you are doing), the woofer (and hint: the 2216nd is not the same as the 2216nd-1) and the flange plate. There is also a protection circuit ( a cap and a 2 resistor voltage divider). There are reasons why you may want to skip this circuit or modify it, but you need to think it through. The cabinet stock (for a pair) amounts to about almost 5 sheets of MDF or plywood and the cabinet is well braced. There are factory diagrams / depictions shown over at Lansing Heritage. The ports are not available but you can get "similar" flared ports from Parts Express. With this sort of change, the best advice is to make the cabinet about 10% larger and the ports about 10% longer. Then cut the ports down until you get the port tuning down to about 26Hz (measured with an impedance sweep). All the parts and their numbers, filters, and cabinet diagrams are discussed over at Lansing Heritage (you will need to do a considerable amount of reading and note-taking). Do not assume there is a Cliff Notes version. There are many details and they are mostly there for a reason. The JBL M2 is special. The crossover/equalization is done with a DSP. Skip the idea of creating an analog version. Use the EQ on the tweeter exactly. For the woofer, the factory settings are the best starting point but keep in mind there are some "minor" filters that probably deal with some resonances in the factory built versions. Yours will differ a bit. Use REW and measure outdoors (properly). Do not try and do it by ear. The guy over at Lansing Heritage named "POS" is a real resource. Read his comments and suggestions carefully. There is a good deal of home work on this project. The actual build is easier than the Jubilee and it is easier to to do a nice job on the cosmetics. I think this is a great DIY project especially since you can get actual parts and info on the actual factory design. This is in contrast to other projects that I see around here where folks pick parts and crossovers randomly with the "chorus of someone on the internet said it sounded great". Either way, good luck, -Tom

The Jubilees are a fine system, I used to own some. They are large however, which is why I am gearing up to build some JBL M2's. The JBL factory parts are currently available and will run approximately $1400-1500 per cabinet. It does require a DSP crossover / equalizer. Many brands are available and you can then use your own amplifiers. You will need 4 channels of amplification and the DSP settings have been verified and published. Don't bother trying to "adjust by ear". The M2 is about 20 in wide, 49 tall and 14 deep. If you keep the volume the same, then you can build them about 42 in tall and a little wider and a little deeper. Plenty of info on Lansing Heritage site (the threads are long and the earlier posts have some misinformation which is later corrected). The threads over at the AVS forum tend to be even longer and with even more misinformation I have not heard the JBL 4367. It shares some similar parts to the M2 and has an analog crossover. I have not heard them, although some that I trust say they are almost on par with the M2 (albeit with a "different" kind of sound). My change was simply due to needing something that is more "living room size".

We have gone from a BUMP to a "Make an Offer" A simple PM can take care of this. Thanks, -Tom

A simple PM can take care of this. Thanks, -Tom

Do you guys really think that Klipsch buys their drivers from Parts Express? Do you think that the manufacturer sends parts to Parts Express and to Klipsch that are pulled from the same bin? Not likely.

Hmmmmmm, it is still odd, but it is your conversation.

If we can just step back for a moment. The guy finally gets his big Jubilees delivered and set up, yet the group seems to focus on chit chat about furniture polish. Does this seem odd?

1. I did not asked to be thanked 2. I am not sure why you are venting 3. Did you ever hear the saying, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink"? 4. I tried to be helpful and now I will go wash my hands.

To the OP, Perhaps you now understand why it was suggested to move this to the Garage Sale section. But rather than moving the ad, you added a second version and are essentially running it in parallel. My friendly suggestion is to delete what you can and hope for the best.

You have listed this ad in the Alerts section rather than the Garage Sale section. While it remains here, folks can challenge your statements, given unwanted advice and generally disrupt your sale. All this can be avoided by moving it to the Garage Sale section. BTW, I think you are putting too much faith in the Prices that are stated in eBay. It is more complicated than that. ......

Why not write up a proper ad and place it in the Garage Sale section of the forum

Time for a bump Fred is always willing to listen to a reasonable offer. Why not PM and surprise him.

Time for a bump Besides, Fred is always willing to listen to a reasonable offer. PM and surprise him.

It is a cheerful Saturday morning in Connecticut. A great weekend to buy a great speaker.

It is a cheerful Saturday morning in Connecticut. A great weekend to buy some great speakers.

They are the K-31. The other guy is wrong IIRC. The SKU was eventually changed since the K-31 (for the original Jubilee) was packaged with a thicker gasket (there may have been a new vendor also). That may be where the confusion lies. Or I may be senile. Incidentally, the woofer used in the JAES 2000 article was the K-31. It is this article that is the backbone of the original Jubilee bass bin

Yes, they used a 1/4 inch gasket (may have actually been 2 thiner gaskets stacked on each other)

Yes, it was the K-31. It was used, as a pair, in the KLF-30