wstrickland1

---------------- On 7/8/2005 6:42:10 AM edwinr wrote: I'd rather think about the Heritage updates Klipsch has been teasing us with for so long... ---------------- I'd rather be beaten with a a sack of doorknobs....

also, what affect does this have on speaker impedence?

smegma

---------------- On 7/7/2005 3:27:39 PM BobG wrote: You can easily do what is known as "Passive Biamp". To do this, merely remove the jumper straps that connect the two sets of input binding posts on your speakers. Then, after connecting your preamp output to both power amps, send the output from one amp to both LF inputs (one on each speaker) and the output from the other power amp to both sets of HF inputs (one on each speaker). You can also modify this approach a bit by using one power amp for the R speaker and the other for the L speaker. In that case, send R channel output from your preamp to BOTH channel inputs on one amp and the L channel output on your preamp to BOTH inputs on the other power amp. Then, use one channel of the R power amp to run the LF inputs on the R speaker and the other channel on the R power amp to run the HF inputs on the R speaker. Do the same thing for the L channel. This approach should yield a bit better dynamic range and possibly better soundstaging due to reduced channel crosstalk in the power amps. Using one amp for each speaker balances the load on each of the two power amps rather than having one do all the hard work (bass) while the other loafs along dong just the mids/highs. This setup is called passive biamp because you are still feeding full range signal to all amp channels and then running through the passive crossover networks in your speakers. Active Biamp is accomplished by eliminating the passive networks inside the speakers and replacing them with an active, line level crossover network between the preamp and power amps. Much more work and much more expensive though should also deliver superior results. Hope this helps. ---------------- This is very interesting. However I have questions. First, I'll tell you I am putting together a 2 channel system. I will use a pair of KLF 30s (or 20s) and my existing Carver 6 channel amp. Right now, I am using a Carver CT 26v DPL pre amp which actually sounds ok but will be upgrading to something better down the road. So down to the bi amp business. I have 6 x 133 watts of pretty clean amplifier. What would I need in the way of crossovers? Does it come in a "unit" type set up or are they just raw components? Also, with 6 equal channels, is there some way of tri-amping the KLFs? Has that ever been done? I would appreciate any help. Billy

Oh man, they're fried, Bro!! Tell ya what, I'll come haul them away for you for free. OK, if you wanna give me a 6-pack for my trouble I'll take it. I wouldn't want to insult you. I'm gonna get another pair of 30s if it kills me!

Well, if he didn't them, someone else did. I found the classified and called the guy. He already sold them. I was totally shocked!!! I did however get a pair locally for $600 about 3 weeks ago, guess it would have been asking too much to luck up again.

I'm not knocking the unit, but I have to wonder how accurate that power rating is. I don't think it is rated across the full spectrum, but probably @ 1 khz. I am very curious as to how it will really perform, and probably because I am a 00 awg wire guy . Bottom line, if you like it, it doesn't matter what anyone else says.

You have a PM. If you don't want those KLFs, let me know. I'm "local" Thanks, Billy

oh no. WAY too much! Where did you say they were?

Thanks for the replies. So if I continue to strike out, what would be a good stereo pre amp to go with my Carver?

I don't think it will have enough nuts, personally. Let us know how it performs.

I have pretty much got my home theater where I want it, so now I'm looking at getting a 2-channel set up going. I currently have a Carver AV-806x and have 4 of the 6 channels bridged for a very clean 360 wpc (never use even half of that) and a Carver CT 26v DPL pre-amp. I am running a pair of old but good Scott 188T speakers. OK, what I will be doing is finding a pair of KLF 30s for the set up, because I have an all Legend theater set up and I simply LOVE the KLFs. I have always liked the Technics SA 1000 reciever coming up and thought they have a very clean sound. 330 wpc @ .03 thd, not too shabby. Does anyone have an opinion of that reciever vs the likes of my Carver set up. Would I be better served getting a pre-amp of better quality than going that route? I like loud rock and roll music. RZeally lound, punchy and clean. Any opinions? Also, where would be a good place to find a vintage Technics SA 1000? I would trade or ourchase.

---------------- On 7/2/2005 12:34:42 PM J.4knee wrote: "Well riddle me this batman. How fat does my little piggy bank need to get?" Billions ... but then again what do I know? ---------------- Why would it be billions when it could be........................Millions!!!? duhn duhn duhn dunh nuhn nuhn.....duhn nuhn nuhn!!!

too bad Walt, I just bought a new sub......and I live in Columbia. Go *****

---------------- On 7/1/2005 9:38:50 AM Firme wrote: ---------------- On 7/1/2005 7:48:03 AM wstrickland1 wrote: I have a B & K Ref 200.7 and KLF 30s, 20s and C7. ---------------- wstrickland1, any comparisson yet on the KLF-30's vs the KLF-20's? ---------------- I did actually compare the two, going so far as to place them in the same location and of course, using the same source/program material. The 20s seem to go a tad lower, but the 30s definitely play "louder" at a given volume setting. But all in all, they are very close. If I had all 20s I would be just as content. I joke around alot, but in all seriousness I truly can't imagine anything sounding better than what I have. Growing up with my Realistic 2-way bass reflex speakers hooked up to an Emerson "reciever" and Garrard turntable, I would have never imagined having something that sounds like this. It amazes me and anyone else that hears it. Some may argue that I'm easily pleased. I think they're right. Thank goodness they are.

I have a B & K Ref 200.7 and KLF 30s, 20s and C7. I turn it on and it sounds better than anything ANYONE in this forum has. Know why? BECAUSE IT'S MINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Now you two kids SHUT UP before I come over and clip your power cords!

I like my all Legend set-up.

I have heard that bi-wiring will improve the performance of my KLFs. @ questions: 1. Is it worth the trouble 2. What's the best way to do it? Do I simply run 2 seperate wires per channel and remove the jumper at the speaker? Any help would be appreciated. Billy

---------------- On 6/18/2005 12:39:57 AM boomer9911 wrote: YOUR LOSS.... ---------------- Surely you jest? I hooked up that B & K combo to my 5 KLFs and POW!!!! No comparing that rig with the 8400.

Dean, I heard you know your stuff bro. I have KLF 30 mains, KLF C7 Center, KLF 20 sides and RB-35(for now) backs. I'm running B & K Ref 50/Ref 200.7 set up, mostly watching movies but do a fair amount of multi-channel audio from a Denon 2900 and a garden variety Sony CD changer. Everything sounds good to me.....really really good.....but what improvements can be made, what would the approximate cost be and how hard is it to do? Sorry to get off the RF-7 track here but what the heck. I think it has pretty been beaten to death anyway. Billy

---------------- On 6/17/2005 6:13:15 PM iwillwalk wrote: a B&K ref 50 & 200.7 just walked in the door from my ex-wife of only 2 days. and i'm not even a father except for the dog............now to ship the pre amp of for some up dating from the lovely folks @ b&k & then the k-horns & heresys & svs will be lovin it .plus my ears JUST WANTED TO SPREAD MY JOY & ITS ALL FROM THIS WEBSITE I'VE BEEN WITH FOR 6 YEARS SPENDING MONEY TO GET OF THE UP-GRADE BUG ---------------- Congrats bro. I had a Ref 50 for almost 2 years and just last week got the Ref 200.7.....Very very sweet set up.

---------------- On 6/17/2005 6:18:35 PM iwillwalk wrote: BUY THE KLF-20'S THAT WERE ON HERE FOR SALE IN GA. ---------------- Those are the ones I bought and they were pretty sweet. How the hell they stayed around for so long at that price is beyond me, but I guess I was meant to have them. Frankly, with the 30's, C7 and the 20s, I don't think I need ANYTHING else. It's really really good in 5.1, all Legend. I will keep the RB-35s in the back for the hell of it, at least until I buy 2 more C-7s .All I can say is Legends are amazing when working together. I KNOW that it can, but it hard to imagine it getting any better than it is right now. I am officially a Klipsch freak.

KLF-30 mains, KLF C7 center, KLF 20 side surrounds WITH my RS-7s on top bi-wired to the same channels as the sides and RB-35 rears. My amp will handle the 4 ohm load (B & K Ref 200.7). Ok, I know I will have to listen for myself, but will that arrangement "hurt" anything? Am I an idiot to even suggest such a thing? Also, Is there some sort of remote controlled A-B switch so I could have both set up and use whichever sounds better on certain material, even if not used at the same time?

---------------- On 6/16/2005 11:13:11 AM Firme wrote: I would also think that putting the 20's behind you and the RS on the sides might be worth trying. You might want to switch em around and actually test to see what sounds best. BTW, owning both the 20's and the 30's is there a notable difference between the two? ---------------- I just brought them home and have only been able to listen to two songs(Eagles/Seven Bridges Road DTS version and Queen/ Another one bites the dust on DVD-A...AWESOME) I will let you know how I feel they differ after a couple of weeks. I can tell you this though, they were remarkably better sounding than the RS-7s on the two tracks I listened to today. It was absolutely incredible.

---------------- On 6/16/2005 3:20:35 AM colterphoto1 wrote: if you're going 7.1 you might appreciate the directivity of the RB's vs the RS. If you were in a really long room I might suggest moving the 20's to rear duty and putting RS on the sides up high. Sounds like your room is wider though, am I correct? If the 20's serve you well on the sides, RB's behind you will give you the ability to localize those sounds better. If your room is very shallow (ie seated within 5 feet of rear wall, put the RS up high behind you, you'll want the spread. Michael ---------------- My room is 17' wide by 28' long. My seat is about 12' back, and my rear surrounds are about 14' behind me. Sorry I left out that information (newbie)