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quote: Originally posted by cjk1026: Am I being too warm and fuzzy here? Has something like this happened to anyone else? Or am I just losing it and trying to justify the time and money spent? Congratulations that you are instilling in your kids an appreciation of music. This is something that they will continue to enjoy throughout thier lives. What a wonderful gift to give and in the scheme of things it has not been that expensive. ------------------ Bill J. My Music System

This is great news. I really glad to hear that Klipsch is not abandoning it roots. ------------------ Bill J. My Music System

quote: Originally posted by boa12: what happens if you play a 5.0 sacd disk? would imagine it'll send the lows from all channels set small in your sacdp to the sub. or maybe just from the front channels? well, anyway whatever sounds good? so for me sacd or dvd-audio player is the question. think i'll wait for the all in one w/ the new firewire tech. or better yet a digital connection. tired of buying all those interconnects. Don't know about 5.0 disks do not own any yet. I have 2 channel SACDs (woofer works) and 5.1 (woofer works). I would agree with you about the interconnects. The amount of wires coming from a SACD player is overwhelming and just adds to the jumble of wires I already have. A firewire player might be the answer, but when they appear I might have to consider the upgrade. But after hearing a SACD player, I just said "hang the wires" this is sound that I do not won't to pass up. The player is so good in just play 2 channel mode it hard to describe. The SACD mode is just "icing on the cake". If you want the experience, don't put it off. ------------------ Bill J. My Music System

Some years ago I found some wooden speaker stands that I use for my Heresy's. I think they did improve the sound particularly in the bass. Although, I have not heard them setting directly on the floor in years, so it is hard to make a comparison now. Heresy's do have optional stands. I have a pair which I have never used. I prefer the little stands that I purchased later. They put the speakers approxiamately 6" off the floor and have a slight slant similar to the Klipsch risers designed for the Heresy's. There nothing like experimentation to find the sound you like. ------------------ Bill J. My Music System

Boa, that my experience with 2 channel SACDs and a Sony C222ES with bass management. I have not been able to determine if the bass management in the Sony does anything at all on non-SACDs played in the digital domain. One good thing I have not had to readjustment my sub when I switch between 6 channel EXT and PCM. So this is a good thing. But there is definite no bass if I play a non-SACD in EXT. ------------------ Bill J. My Music System

quote: Originally posted by Mike Lindsey: boa, When you play a multi-channel DVD-A disc, you are only getting the .1 channel to your subwoofer. Play the 2-channel version and keep it on the External Inputs from your receiver. Go feel the woofer from the sub. I'll bet there's nothing coming out of it... Mike This may be the case for DVD-A, but the Sony SACD players have bass management that work with 2 channel SACDs. My experience with 2 Channel SACDs played through a Denon with 6 Channel EXT is you get bass response. The bass management function on the Sony gives you a choice of speaker sizes as well as select to use Sub or no Sub and work only on SACDs. However, my experience with regular CDs played in the 6 Channel EXT mode you get no sub response. The sub will play only in the digital domain. This can be a pain if you choice to mix CDs. Unless the CD is a Hybrid, it will not play digitally. If a regular CD is played in 6 Channel EXT, you get no bass response. ------------------ Bill J. My Music System

Very impressive, how did you happen on to thier site? ------------------ Bill J. My Music System

quote: Originally posted by klipschy: Great! Glad SACD is so liked. Can't wait until I get my player in I'll see how good it really is..... Klipschy, what player are you getting? SACD is great and it also makes a great CD player as well. Let us know. I still working on my problem - hopefully will find a solution soon. Bill J. ------------------ Bill J. Denon AVR 3300 Denon DVM 3800 DVD Pioneer LD Elite CLD-53 Sony C222ES SACD/CD Nakamichi Dragon Cassette Scientific Atlantic Explorer 2100 RCA Home Theater Hi-Fi VCR RCA 25" Colortrack 2000 (1974) Rega Planar 3 Turntable -Elys cartridge Panamax 1000+ Surge Protector/Line Conditioner Heresy Mains RC-3 Center Channel KSP-S6 Rears M&K VX-7 Sub

quote: Originally posted by Mike Lindsey: Willjam, That is because there is no bass management on most DVD-A and SACD players..... Another solution for this (I can't use the speaker level inputs because I have a separate amp driving the sub, and it's passive) is to pick up an ICBM from Outlaw Audio ($249). Thanks Mike and all that is contributing to this thread, I will check out the ICBM. My player is Sony C222ES which has a bass management feature where I can select 2 channel with subwoofer or without. Does this feature only apply to 2 channel SACDs? I have 8 analog output jacks plus a coaxial and a toslink cable for digital. I'm using the toslink digital output for regular CDs. I have the 6 jacks Front, Center, Surround and Sub jacks connected to my Denon 6 Channel EXT. I do not have the 2 channel analog jacks connected. I assumed that I did not need to connect these because I was using the digital outputs for regular CDs. The problem arises with no bass from the sub when you have mixed disks SACDs and CDs in the changer. In order to get sound from the SACDs you have to be in 6 channel EXT mode. Regular CDs will play in the mode sans bass. I wonder if I connect the 2 channel analog jacks will this solve my problem. I should have tried this before posting, which I will do and see what results that I get. Do you think there would be a conflict in connecting the 2 channel analog jacks to the analog CD jacks on the receiver. In other words when the a 2 channel regular CD is playing in 6 channel EXT mode it would use the 2 channel outputs-- (guessing here) but when the receiver is in auto mode it should change to digital output? ------------------ Bill J. Denon AVR 3300 Denon DVM 3800 DVD Pioneer LD Elite CLD-53 Sony C222ES SACD/CD Nakamichi Dragon Cassette Scientific Atlantic Explorer 2100 RCA Home Theater Hi-Fi VCR RCA 25" Colortrack 2000 (1974) Rega Planar 3 Turntable -Elys cartridge Panamax 1000+ Surge Protector/Line Conditioner Heresy Mains RC-3 Center Channel KSP-S6 Rears M&K VX-7 Sub

Each of the formats require a dedicated player (except HDCD and hybrid SACDs which will play on a standard CD player) or a player that is capable of playing all formats. SACD are either single or dual layer. Only the hybrid SACDs have a stereo digital channel that can be played on standard CD players. When you purchase these disks you need to look at the jacket carefully. Most stores do not have SACD disks in the same section as regular CDs. I don't know about DVD-As, I have not seen the disks or players in my area yet. ------------------ Bill J. Denon AVR 3300 Denon DVM 3800 DVD Pioneer LD Elite CLD-53 Sony C222ES SACD/CD Nakamichi Dragon Cassette Scientific Atlantic Explorer 2100 RCA Home Theater Hi-Fi VCR RCA 25" Colortrack 2000 (1974) Rega Planar 3 Turntable -Elys cartridge Panamax 1000+ Surge Protector/Line Conditioner Heresy Mains RC-3 Center Channel KSP-S6 Rears M&K VX-7 Sub

I found myself in a similiar situation when I decided to update to HT. I settled for using a RC-3 for my center channel because the KLF-C7 was too large for my set-up. I have found that RC-3 works very well. I suggest that you might ask your dealer to allow you to demo the RC-3 and see if it works for you. ------------------ Bill J. Denon AVR 3300 Denon DVM 3800 DVD Pioneer LD Elite CLD-53 Sony C222ES SACD/CD Nakamichi Dragon Cassette Scientific Atlantic Explorer 2100 RCA Home Theater Hi-Fi VCR RCA 25" Colortrack 2000 (1974) Rega Planar 3 Turntable -Elys cartridge Panamax 1000+ Surge Protector/Line Conditioner Heresy Mains RC-3 Center Channel KSP-S6 Rears M&K VX-7 Sub

Sony is really getting serious about SACD. It's my guess they do not want a repeat of the now famous Betamax vs. VHS wars that took place in the 70's -- superior technology overtaken due to high costs and poor advertising. Sony has its gunsights on DVD-A. I have yet to see or hear a DVD-A player in my market area. Bill J. ------------------ Bill J. Denon AVR 3300 Denon DVM 3800 DVD Pioneer LD Elite CLD-53 Sony C222ES SACD/CD Nakamichi Dragon Cassette Scientific Atlantic Explorer 2100 RCA Home Theater Hi-Fi VCR RCA 25" Colortrack 2000 (1974) Rega Planar 3 Turntable -Elys cartridge Panamax 1000+ Surge Protector/Line Conditioner Heresy Mains RC-3 Center Channel KSP-S6 Rears M&K VX-7 Sub

Avman, with or without the subwoofer. My subwoofer play with the sub when I my reciever is in 6 channel EXT mode. If a CD is also in the changer it will play, but the sub does not play. The only time I get the sub to respond is when the receiver is in Stereo mode. Although I have to admit the CD playing without the sub still sounds great. I have two multi-channel SACDs. One I purchased off of ebay and the other is a sampler that came with the player. ------------------ Bill J. Denon AVR 3300 Denon DVM 3800 DVD Pioneer LD Elite CLD-53 Sony C222ES SACD/CD Nakamichi Dragon Cassette Scientific Atlantic Explorer 2100 RCA Home Theater Hi-Fi VCR RCA 25" Colortrack 2000 (1974) Rega Planar 3 Turntable -Elys cartridge Panamax 1000+ Surge Protector/Line Conditioner Heresy Mains RC-3 Center Channel KSP-S6 Rears M&K VX-7 Sub

Max, thanks for the response. I have to look into the speaker hookup. I will take a closer look at the booklet that came with my Telarc recording. I would really like to know more about the bass management with these machines. ------------------ Bill J. Denon AVR 3300 Denon DVM 3800 DVD Pioneer LD Elite CLD-53 Sony C222ES SACD/CD Nakamichi Dragon Cassette Scientific Atlantic Explorer 2100 RCA Home Theater Hi-Fi VCR RCA 25" Colortrack 2000 (1974) Rega Planar 3 Turntable -Elys cartridge Panamax 1000+ Surge Protector/Line Conditioner Heresy Mains RC-3 Center Channel KSP-S6 Rears M&K VX-7 Sub

Max, the only CD I have of the Beatles is Abbey Road. I have two other Beatles recordings on vinyl. The Sergeant Peppers Album that I purchased when it was released. It is my most cherished recording. I still have a turntable. I have played the Sergeant Pepper's Album since I recently also got a new turntable. The Kunzel recording is very stylized and tailored to the Kings Singers particular style. I wish I had a vinyl recording of the SACDs that I have acquired. But, I have to say the the CD player is very excellent. I'm amazed by the clarity of the player. I have been using my Denon 3800 as a CD player and thought it was good, but I truly believe that my Sony SACD player is much better sonically for both CDs and SACDs. I think you may be referring to the 'White Album'. I do not recall a 'Red Album'. The Abbey Road album has 'Octopus Garden' and 'Because'. One other thing that I have noticed with my SACD player that you may be able to help me out. I using the 6 Channel Ext on my Denon 3300. I have noticed that my subwoofer does not play with a regular CD. It plays with SACDs. I'm still adjusting it. I have had to move the crossover to 80hz. I unsure of the crossover for the player and the Denon As you have noticed I have Heresys'. If you have some suggestions I would appreciate it. Also tell me if you play regular CDs in the Ext settings do you get any bass from you sub. ------------------ Bill J. Denon AVR 3300 Denon DVM 3800 DVD Pioneer LD Elite CLD-53 Sony C222ES SACD/CD Nakamichi Dragon Cassette Scientific Atlantic Explorer 2100 RCA Home Theater Hi-Fi VCR RCA 25" Colortrack 2000 (1974) Rega Planar 3 Turntable -Elys cartridge Panamax 1000+ Surge Protector/Line Conditioner Heresy Mains RC-3 Center Channel KSP-S6 Rears M&K VX-7 Sub

Hi Trey, glad you enjoyed the show. I will be looking forward to your photos. Maybe I will get to make it next year. ------------------ Bill J. ----- Denon AVR 3300 Denon DVM 3800 DVD Pioneer LD Elite CLD-53 Sony C222ES SACD/CD Nakamichi Dragon Cassette Scientific Atlantic Explorer 2100 RCA Home Theater Hi-Fi VCR RCA 25" Colortrack 2000 (1974) Rega Planar 3 Turntable -Elys cartridge Panamax 1000+ Surge Protector/Line Conditioner Heresy Mains RC-3 Center Channel KSP-6 Rears M&K VX-7 Sub

I would never part with my Heresys. I was in a similiar dilemma a few years ago. I thought it was time to upgrade my system to HT. I have had my Heresys for over 19 years. They were purchased slightly used. After I upgrade my receiver to a Denon AVR 3300, I then started pursuing the purchase of my up to date speakers. In trying to find out the value of my speakers, I stumbled on to this bulletin board. To my surprise I found that I had the right speakers all I need was to augment. One of the problems is finding the right match for center and surrounds. I was fortunate in that I started my search early. Although I do not have the recommended match, my center is a RC-3 and my surrounds or KSP-6s. The only source is Ebay or the like. I still believe I have a very satisfying sounding systems both for movies and music. Unfortunately, the KSP-6 have been discontinued. The only source is Ebay or the like. This note will probably cause you more confusion than help, but the point I make is do not do anything drastic until you have had an opportunity to hear what you are buying and compare what you already have. I do not think you will find anything, aside from other heritage speakers, to equal your Heresy's in the price range you have set out for yourself. ------------------ Bill J. ----- Denon AVR 3300 Denon DVM 3800 DVD Pioneer LD Elite CLD-53 Sony C222ES SACD/CD Nakamichi Dragon Cassette Scientific Atlantic Explorer 2100 RCA Home Theater Hi-Fi VCR RCA 25" Colortrack 2000 (1974) Rega Planar 3 Turntable -Elys cartridge Panamax 1000+ Surge Protector/Line Conditioner Heresy Mains RC-3 Center Channel KSP-6 Rears M&K VX-7 Sub This message has been edited by willjam on 01-13-2002 at 11:49 PM

Mad, you are ahead of me by a long shot. So far I have accomulated 4 disks plus the sampler that I got with the player.. 3 are 2 channel remastered, the other is a Erich Kunzel and the King Singers play the Beatles which I highly recommend. Disks here in Oklahoma are hard to come by. Best Buy has the largest inventory, but all of them I have found are 2 channel remasters. I got the Beatles disk off of ebay. ------------------ Bill J. ----- Denon AVR 3300 Denon DVM 3800 DVD Pioneer LD Elite CLD-53 Sony C222ES SACD/CD Nakamichi Dragon Cassette Scientific Atlantic Explorer 2100 RCA Home Theater Hi-Fi VCR RCA 25" Colortrack 2000 (1974) Rega Planar 3 Turntable -Elys cartridge Panamax 1000+ Surge Protector/Line Conditioner Heresy Mains RC-3 Center Channel KSP-6 Rears M&K VX-7 Sub

Avman, what SACD player did you get. I just got a Sony 222ES. I have had it for about a month, so far it has been terrific. I have one Multi-Channel SACD --Erich Kunzel and Kings Singer Plays the Beatles issued by TELARC. Great sound. ------------------ Bill J. ----- Denon AVR 3300 Denon DVM 3800 DVD Pioneer LD Elite CLD-53 Sony C222ES SACD/CD Nakamichi Dragon Cassette Scientific Atlantic Explorer 2100 RCA Home Theater Hi-Fi VCR RCA 25" Colortrack 2000 (1974) Rega Planar 3 Turntable -Elys cartridge Panamax 1000+ Surge Protector/Line Conditioner Heresy Mains RC-3 Center Channel KSP-6 Rears M&K VX-7 Sub

I got a Erich Kunzel Beatles mult-channel SACD today that I found on Ebay. It's a Telarc recording and I can truthfully say it is awesome. It not quite what I expected. I thought mult-channel would be really gimmicky, both I found that the sound just surrounds you. It is very similiar to what you get when you run a Denon in 5 channel mode. Except that you have true discrete channels. Really fantastic. The vocals are done by the King Singers. They sound as if they are singing directly in front of you. The orchestra sound is full and has some real depth. If you can find this SACD I recommend it. I'm a happy camper here. ------------------ Bill J. ----- Denon AVR 3300 Denon DVM 3800 DVD Pioneer LD Elite CLD-53 Sony C222ES SACD/CD Nakamichi Dragon Cassette Scientific Atlantic Explorer 2100 RCA Home Theater Hi-Fi VCR RCA 25" Colortrack 2000 (1974) Rega Planar 3 Turntable -Elys cartridge Panamax 1000+ Surge Protector/Line Conditioner Heresy Mains RC-3 Center Channel KSP-6 Rears M&K VX-7 Sub

I'm just getting back into vinyl after a several year absence. I have about 600 or so classical LP's that I have accumulated since highschool. Most of these are still in very good condition. I recently upgraded my Yamaha P-300 to a Rega P-3. I'm beginning to appreciate vinyl again. However, last week I got a new SACD changer so now I have something to compare CDs with. ------------------ Bill J. ----- Denon AVR 3300 Denon DVM 3800 DVD Pioneer LD Elite CLD-53 Sony C222ES SACD/CD Nakamichi Dragon Cassette Scientific Atlantic Explorer 2100 RCA Home Theater Hi-Fi VCR RCA 25" Colortrack 2000 (1974) Rega Planar 3 Turntable -Elys cartridge Panamax 1000+ Surge Protector/Line Conditioner Heresy Mains RC-3 Center Channel KSP-6 Rears M&K VX-7 Sub

I took the plunge last week and bought a c222es and I can truthly say this is one outstanding player both in value and sound. I could not be more happier. I have only listen to 2 channel recordings. I have the Szell Brahms 4th in SACD that is just incrediable. Bill J. ------------------ Bill J. ----- Denon AVR 3300 Denon DVM 3800 DVD Pioneer LD Elite CLD-53 Nakamichi Dragon Cassette Scientific Atlantic Explorer 2100 RCA Home Theater Hi-Fi VCR RCA 25" Colortrack 2000 (1974) Rega Planar 3 Turntable -Elys cartridge Panamax 1000+ Surge Protector/Line Conditioner Heresy Mains RC-3 Center Channel KSP-6 Rears M&K VX-7 Sub

I now have several hours on my Sony c222es SACD player. I have played both SACDs and CDs on this player. The player's sound is immensely satisfying. The highs and bass are incrediable. Music instruments are well defined. Most of my listening has been classical. Although I have played some pop. The voices are very natural. The overall sound is just clean. This is my first standalone CD player -- my only references is a Pioneer LD player and a Denon DVD. I did not know that there was such a difference between a combo player and a standalone. This player has made me a believer. I was recently told that I should buy the best CD player rather than spend a lot of money on a DVD player. I can see the reason for this now. ------------------ Bill J. ----- Denon AVR 3300 Denon DVM 3800 DVD Pioneer LD Elite CLD-53 Nakamichi Dragon Cassette Scientific Atlantic Explorer 2100 RCA Home Theater Hi-Fi VCR RCA 25" Colortrack 2000 (1974) Rega Planar 3 Turntable -Elys cartridge Panamax 1000+ Surge Protector/Line Conditioner Heresy Mains RC-3 Center Channel KSP-6 Rears M&K VX-7 Sub

After rechecking the wiring I finally did get the wiring correct for the Sony C222ES so that my sub now works. The difference is incrediable. This is one great sounding player even with the 2 channel disks. The sound is full, clean and robust. I have become a believer in SACD. You have to experience it to believe it. My Heresy's just sing. ------------------ Bill J. ----- Denon AVR 3300 Denon DVM 3800 DVD Pioneer LD Elite CLD-53 Nakamichi Dragon Cassette Scientific Atlantic Explorer 2100 RCA Home Theater Hi-Fi VCR RCA 25" Colortrack 2000 (1974) Rega Planar 3 Turntable -Elys cartridge Panamax 1000+ Surge Protector/Line Conditioner Heresy Mains RC-3 Center Channel KSP-6 Rears M&K VX-7 Sub

I certainly hope that SACD takes off. I just purchased a Sony C222ES. This is my first standalone CD player. I have a Denon DVM 3700 and a Pioneer Elite CLD-53 which both have their own perculiarities. The Denon will not play CD-RWs, the Pioneer does, the Pioneer does not do digital output my Denon reciever, so it was time to get a true CD player. I had a similiar experience to yours with locating SACD's. I was in Best Buys in the CD section searching. A kid asked if I need help and I explain I was looking for SACDs. With a blank stare, his response was "are you talking about recordable CDs"? I told him "no", he went to the computer to look them them up after asking me how to spell SACD. The machine came back with a 'Do not order' message. Anyway, this Best Buy did have them, but the disk were over in the Audio Component section next to the SACD players. I found them on my own. None of the selections where Multi-channel. If this is type of marketing that Best Buy is doing, the format will never take off. The players and the media are all showcased together. I don't think anyone in the store has a clue as to what they have. Back to the player, sofar I now have 3 classical stereo SACDs. The player sounds very clean and accurate playing CDs. I still have to get the wiring setup for multi-channel. I have missed something is setting the Denon. On the 2 channel SACDs I have not been able to get my subwoof to play. I have player set for 2 channel +sub. I have the the Denon set to sub only. I may have the wiring crossed. My system is a maze of wires and the connections to the receiver are not easily gotten to. This weekend I hope to get that all work out. I'm enjoying the player, although I have not found to much on this particular model. ------------------ Bill J. ----- Denon AVR 3300 Denon DVM 3800 DVD Pioneer LD Elite CLD-53 Nakamichi Dragon Cassette Scientific Atlantic Explorer 2100 RCA Home Theater Hi-Fi VCR RCA 25" Colortrack 2000 (1974) Rega Planar 3 Turntable -Elys cartridge Panamax 1000+ Surge Protector/Line Conditioner Heresy Mains RC-3 Center Channel KSP-6 Rears M&K VX-7 Sub