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there are really 2 ways of playing hdcd. you don't need a special decoder. but the new tech for them uses an hdcd decoder in either the player or the receiver/prepro to get the full-bit sound. like in jjt's link. ------------------ My Home Systems Page This message has been edited by boa12 on 09-23-2002 at 03:47 PM

j, take it you put the couch between the side surrounds, a lil forward of those maybe? that should work ok if there's room. the mattress may block some of the sound from the front though. ------------------ My Home Systems Page

using a simple external crossover, like the x-30 in this case. may have a solution to letting the bigger speaks run more free, while also getting full LFE to the sub. thoughts? " Basically the crossover accepts the left and right pre-outs from the 3802 only, and does not have an any inputs left for LFE (if you are cutting your mains at the crossover and sending them back to the reciever)." maybe we can tackle this. you say the above, but are there any other connections running to the x-30, such as from the denon sub preout? the denon sub preout handles both low bass from speaks set small & from the fronts if you have the fronts+lfe setting, & all LFE as long as you have sub:yes. if all you're doing is running the denon front preouts to the X30 & then on to the velo L&R inputs, & have the setting sub:no, then the denon sends the LFE through the front preouts but you're cutting that at 50hz. maybe what you could do is use the setting in the denon for "LFE only" & set sub:yes. on the velo, switch its crossover off. then get an rca Y-adapter & also run an interconnect from the denon subout to the left input of the velo. may want to get 2 Y-adpaters if you want the sub out/LFE going to both line inputs of the velo. then you have all the low bass for the large fronts plus that low bass directed there from the other speaks set small, going thru the X30 & low passed to the velo at 50hz. the velo, w/ its crossover off, gets the full LFE signal from the other connection(s) from the denon sub out (lfe only). thanks. using an external crossover, we may have found a simple solution to the bass mgmt. dilemma. trying to find a downside to this, but none so far (besides having to buy another interconnect & Y-adapter or 2). passed at 50hz to the velo. ------------------ My Home Systems Page

pb, yes to both questions. but the above should take care of the LFE getting cut at 50hz problem. i'm going to post this in the HT section & see if its a good solution. may be many that would want to do it w/ their big front speaks. thanks! ------------------ My Home Systems Page

" Basically the crossover accepts the left and right pre-outs from the 3802 only, and does not have an any inputs left for LFE (if you are cutting your mains at the crossover and sending them back to the reciever)." maybe we can tackle this. you say the above, but are there any other connections running to the x-30, such as from the denon sub preout? the denon sub preout handles both low bass from speaks set small & from the fronts if you have the fronts+lfe setting, & all LFE as long as you have sub:yes. if all you're doing is running the denon front preouts to the X30 & then on to the velo L&R inputs, & have the setting sub:no, then the denon sends the LFE through the front preouts but you're cutting that at 50hz. maybe what you could do is use the setting in the denon for "LFE only" & set sub:yes. on the velo, switch its crossover off. then get an rca Y-adapter & also run an interconnect from the denon subout to the left input of the velo. may want to get 2 Y-adpaters if you want the sub out/LFE going to both line inputs of the velo. then you have all the low bass for the large fronts plus that low bass directed there from the other speaks set small, going thru the X30 & low passed to the velo at 50hz. the velo, w/ its crossover off, gets the full LFE signal from the other connection(s) from the denon sub out (lfe only). thanks. using an external crossover, we may have found a simple solution to the bass mgmt. dilemma. trying to find a downside to this, but none so far (besides having to buy another interconnect & Y-adapter or 2). passed at 50hz to the velo. ------------------ My Home Systems Page

pb, not sure how your x-30 hooks up. but when you set sub:yes on the denon, as you do when using a sub w/ its sub preout, all LFE goes to the sub out only & beyond to crossover/sub. so LFE will be cut at whatever point you have external or sub low pass crossover set at. that's why I always recommend setting the external or sub crossover all the way up to 120hz or beyond, or disabling it if it has a switch - so no LFE is cut out. also why i'm always griping about the receiver makers & their thx-induced fixed 80hz or so crossovers, or in the case of the 3802 80hz being the lowest setting. what i call the bass manager's dilemma. maybe somebody that knows the X-30 knows of a way around using the sub-out of the denon & not cutting LFE by dialing it down the crossover to where you like it for the fronts - like at 50hz. ------------------ My Home Systems Page

sp, if you see my systems page below, i'm using a C7 for rear center between side cornwalls & w/ a klf front array. match is fine for me w/ the corns, & excellent for the front-back & vice-versa effects. so as for the C7 rear surround, you'd at least have a great match w/ the front for front-back & back-front effects, like fly-over. i haven't heard the s6. seem to be about the best match to klf as far as wide-dispersion type speaks go. & know they're fetching real good prices in the aftermarket. for surround, c7 are the better timbre match of course. but then its a matter of how much you value that over the wide sound of the s6. of course for either you'd want them set small so the lower bass is redirected to a good sub anyway. ------------------ My Home Systems Page

i have a thx-ultra certified pre/pro & amp w/ non-thx klipsch, & don't know how any thx certified speaks could sound any better for HT or music. we don't need no stinking thx certification. its all mostly marketing hype imho. especially for speakers. ------------------ My Home Systems Page

jalen's pretty much right on. few changes like snap out ports, bigger feet, & monster wire. but i'd bet for sound, nobody could tell the dif in a double-blind a/b test. jmo. ------------------ My Home Systems Page

iow= in other words btw= by the way ------------------ My Home Systems Page

j, also after talking w/ m00n, i found your hk 520 has an adjustable crossover down to 60hz. so that'll probably work best since your rf-3 put out well down to at least 40hz. & then your svs don't go up so high in frequency as w/ a standard 80hz fixed crossover. anyway, great set-up! ------------------ My Home Systems Page

chuck may know that better on the rear sub - never heard of that. is there a sub out rca jack for a rear sub? but no, whatever it is, don't want to use that for the rsw together in front. should be able to keep everything the same & just get more output. that is, on the rsws phase same, crossovers disabled. only output controls may be different. you might try setting all the speaks to small once you get it set up. bass may be cleaner that way. & since you have that adjustable crossover in the 520 set to 60hz, the rf-7 & other speaks don't get cut until 60hz on down. & the sub doesn't get cut til 60hz on up - but just on the low bass. the LFE is still full-tilt boogie, but like i said it just carries low fe up to about 120hz max. when you set the speaks like the rf-7 large, for the low bass, they don't get cut at all. sub gets cut at 60hz on up. so w/ the subs & rf-7 basically covering the same range of around 40-60hz from different room locations such as w/ 2-channel music, you may get some bass interference that muddies it up some. iow, try the small settings w/ some bassy 2-channel stuff & hk cross set at 60hz. you might just find a smoother blend & better quality bass. ------------------ My Home Systems Page

"That is why I stayed on this board, trying to be a part of this amazing community. And a few weeks ago, things started to go bad." call some place paradise, you can kiss it good-bye. unfortunately more true than not. like the the great, fun bars in college. once the word got out, they always seemed to go downhill. but i just try to plus the pluses on here anymore. & IGNORE the negatives. ------------------ My Home Systems Page

ken, sure. even if you are already overqualified. commission is the most efficient pay system where it can be applied. just remember you're always smarter than the customer, & the customer is always right. ------------------ My Home Systems Page

all receivers i've seen, except some yammy that have an LFE contro, send all LFE channel material to the sub out/sub just as long as you have a sub & choose the sub:yes setting. LFE is speced to only go as far as 120hz so no threat in getting real high stuff to your sub. iow, the only thing that directs LFE is sub:yes or no. the small/large & crossover settings only affect low bass (not LFE) between the other channels & sub. as seb & chuck said, only takes away or adds this to the sub, independent of LFE. i found it best to set all speaks to small & dial down the crossover to 50hz. so whether you go large/small & 40 or 60hz depends on your set-up, room, tastes. w/ bigger speaks should be a nice feature to have - that adjustable crossover in the 520. 60hz should be about the highest you go w/ bigger speaks. out of curiousity, is that crossover setting universal for all speaks/channels, or independent to each? wouldn't go higher than 60hz, but doesn't it go higher too, like to 80hz? wonder what m00n has his bass mgmt settings (large/small, crossover) at? ------------------ My Home Systems Page

prod, to get the upper drivers physically in line w/ the screen, i reckon. makes sense. j, really, i would tyr the svs in the closet corner. could turn the closet into a giant bass horn. just a whim, but don't know til you try. some guys have used basements, attics & empty indoor pools as subs. may cut out some of the upper freq bass & lfe, but could be a good thing. just a thought. ------------------ My Home Systems Page

ears has posted some pics. saw 'em w/ my own eyes. ------------------ My Home Systems Page This message has been edited by boa12 on 09-22-2002 at 10:37 PM

i used a sony w/ 2 sub outs (one to each rp) when i got started. the lfe out to other rp works just the same. but yes i'd definitely use both sub outs unless its real out of the way. & yes, many here use partsxpress for cable as well. as for the rp w/ music, one you get it all hooked up as above, may want to tinker some w/ the sony settings & the rp placement to hear if it helps any for audio quality. ------------------ My Home Systems Page

md, here's the lil primer pdf on LFE - Low Frequency Effects. The .1 channel in 5.1 - dif from low bass contained in the other channels ------------------ My Home Systems Page

patrk, when you use the sub out/lfe in interconnects you are in effect biwiring, if not biamping since the woofs are powered. because of that really wouldn't do much to biwire the HF & LF speaker posts of the rp. just the gold jumpers or some good wire in their place would suffice. i don't have the rp anymore. i'd just use 12 ga. for speaker cable. if you do a search for speaker cable on here there's a lot on it. some good online discount places to be found like http://accessories4less.com ------------------ My Home Systems Page This message has been edited by boa12 on 09-22-2002 at 02:20 PM

j, ya just kidding. well sorta. actually if you cut those svs down at 40-50hz where they should be cut, then it wouldn't make any dif if you put 'em in the closet. no biggy though. ------------------ My Home Systems Page

just, maybe you should quit w/ the last name. when kids we use to do the same w/ the gas station & asking if they pumped ethyl. then in HS it was calling an establishment & asking them to page michael hunt. well, anyway. darn kids. ------------------ My Home Systems Page

stereo subs. but sub bass should be cut to be nonlocalized. any contradiction there? ------------------ My Home Systems Page

j, looks great. but get rid of the desk & bed, & spread out those fronts to the max. you can sleep on the couch. & put the svs on the closet corner. just my 1st take. ------------------ My Home Systems Page

whoops! thanks ears. now i feel like the old foogy i am. yeah, those pretty gold jumpers. don't make 'em like that anymore. ------------------ My Home Systems Page