HornEd

Yes, Montigue, 6 KLF 30's, 2 KLF 10's (front effects mounted high and wide) plus subwoofers. Currently one of the KLF 30's is being "operated on" in a center channel conversion experiment (which neither I nor BobG, PhilH, or JimG would recommend... but fun is FUN!) ~ (one of these day's they ought to fix that tongue smiley!) I have a 93 year-old, dementia burdened mother whom I care for rather than farm out. She starts out each day with a DVD and it seems to get her faculties in order and the lower resonant frequencies emitted by the KLF 30's seem to stimulate thickening of diminished neural pathways. In nearly five years of environmental structuring, only the last six months in a Klipsch environment, she has actually improved her test scores... practically unheard of in a person of her affliction set. So, she is the inspiration to try things differently... and it is working. By the way, her cognitive skills increased with a switch from Infinity to Klipsch, I think mainly because of the horn structure. This is probably more of a response than you expected, but the bonus to me has been a superlative sound system that is much closer matched in tone & timbre than any other multi-channel system I have assembled... and that's a big bonus for HT. Also, the trend to "discrete" programming (5.1) and the ability of receivers to produce a creditable 6.1 from 5.1 sources provide a much improved sound environment for comfort and enjoyment. As "predator shaped" beings, being surrounded in sound is more psychologically comfortable... or so it seems. If you can handle the expense, aesthetics and space requirements, I think getting a great center channel is most important... and then add on 5 or 6 Klipsch units of the same model... and you will be amazed at how good recent vintage DVD's can be... particularly in dts. In my view, side surround speakers are a compromise for aimed at yesterday's technology (i.e., Dolby Surround rather than Dolby Digital 5.1). Hey, I have gotten to the point in life where each day is an "enjoy or die" proposition. I'll keep trying the former while I can. HornEd This message has been edited by HornEd on 06-15-2001 at 01:36 PM

Ah yes, maxg, I have fond memories of Greece in the early 60's when I lived, worked and studied in Europe... enchanting people, great pasta but a little early for KLF 30's. I still wear a Greek invention, a functional Astrolabe (A geocentric forerunner of the sextant from 32 B.C. updated for this millennium by a local scholar) around my neck at medieval festivals across the U.S. Such a device gave Chaucer, Columbus, and George Washington the time of day and a proper course... too bad it won't work on local Klipsch dealers. I am still intrigued by the prospect you raised in another thread about facing classic Klipsch speakers in marble. Some years ago, I bought the remaining stacks of thin marble slabs and Terrazzo tile in the yards and warehouses of a defunct tile and marble company. It took years to use it all in various buildings... and a magnificent Olympic swimming and diving pools. Yes, maxg, I have a healthy respect for living and working with marble. Sadly, it seems like the sonic grade marble around here has gone to the heads of locally authorized Klipsch dealers. Thanks for bringing back great memories of warm people, great sailing and a truly classic land in every respect. May they continue to know the fruits of their civilization by having the new Klipsch to hear and view at their dealers without hassle. HornEd PS: Then again, New Mexico is just a motorhome ride away and this thread is not the first good words I have heard about that particular Klipsch dealer. This message has been edited by HornEd on 06-15-2001 at 09:33 AM

Looks like the "Good Guys" have become bad guys when it comes to Klipsch. From the discussion I had today at my local authorized dealers, I withdrew my order for a black RC-7 and will find some other source... probably out of state... or some other solution. It seems that the Good Guys have a growing anti-Klipsch attitude that I have noticed in several area stores. In the Daly City store where I have bought the most Klipsch products,the Good Guys have kept their demo pair of RF-7's and an RC-7 in the box... cherry they say... and likely to stay that way! Management says they do not have room on the floor for these bellwether Klipsch products. The big push in specialty speakers is BOSE... and that is where they spend their floor space. They claim they have no competition on Klipsch so the loyal Klipschers (like me) have no other choice. Even their best informed Klipsch guy hasn't much of a clue as to what the new speakers are all about... his head is full of thumpity, thump, thump 15" woofers he just put in his new Mustang... but in fairness, this young "Good Guy" has tried hard to accommodate my desires and that of other Klipsch fanciers... If I happen to walk up to a Klipsch and an unfamiliar salesman approaches... the odds are heavily in favor that he will try to pull me over to considering an other than Klipsch alternative. Now, friends, years ago one of the services that the company I built offered was a "shopping" service where in our operatives would shop a client's location and make a formal report on the outcome. I, personally, designed that reporting system to be as fair and objective as I could... with a thrust toward improving the technique of sales personnel. It would be thoroughly out of character for me to be hasty or personally affronted to the point of saying there is a problem in any retail location. That would be small change... I just don't like to see other consumers being shortchanged on their exposure to Klipsch products. Now I find from the new manager's policies translate into a penalty situation to buy what is supposed to be Klipsch trendsetters. The only way I can see and hear a black RC-7 I have to put down a non-refundable 50% of MSRP deposit... with no courtesy discount as a volume buyer applied to special order items. Maybe they were upset that I bought an SVS sub to explore the first octave... but that seems fair... because it was my money and I already had bought four Klipsch subwoofers from Good Guys. In fact, at this store I have bought or dozen or so of Klipsch speakers (No, BobG, I actually gave some away as gift starter systems to deserving folks), a Yamaha RX-V3000, Progressive DVD player, a special order six-head SVHS unit and a 65" RPHD Mitsu... all for cash green money over the past six months. Maybe that is not much from the store's perspective... but it certainly has my attention. Don't get me wrong, I didn't read any riot acts... or even enumerate my purchases... I just came back to this BB to ease my blood pressure. It's a good thing that this BB exists as a place to talk Klipsch to people who care enough to correct me when I am wrong... tolerate me when I try to add a note of humor... and show me the way when I seem confused. Has anyone else had this kind of "Good Guys" experience? Meanwhile... HornEd sees Red

Yeah, Boomer, but I may have to wait a couple of weeks while they TV bangs these babies out. Going totally tubular in the first octave has been a whole lot easier than buying the new Klipsch line of speakers in this neck of the woods. It seems the "Good Guys" have gone bad. But, I will vent that in "General Questions." HornED This message has been edited by HornEd on 06-15-2001 at 02:16 AM

Hmmm, how about "Coolest Oldbie" for 2,500 posts? Congrats on your "No Life" status, Ray, your insightful bursts have spurred us on. HornEd PS: Too bad they can't amend maxg's avatar to be "Captain Marble" (providing he goes through with his marble-ized Klipsch collection). ------------------ Living HT Legends KLF 30 L&R Mains RC-7 Center (ordered) KLF 30 L&R Surrounds KLF 30 L&R Rear Effects KLF 10 L&R Front Effects Twin SVS CS-Ultra Pwr Sub KSW-15 Pwr Sub (rear) Speaker Support Systems: Mitsubishi RPHD1080i 65" Yamaha RX-V3000 Receiver and such... Tweak On! This message has been edited by HornEd on 06-14-2001 at 10:02 AM

Hola! Zargathos... Hope you got a chance to enjoy the Folklife Festival last weekend... It's one that I found most enjoyable in terms of lots of people of different cultures getting together to enjoy their differences in a healthy way! Sounds kind of like the Klipsch board when its mercifully free of political rhetoric. The RF-3 is an outstanding choice, and for HT, the all important center channel RC-3 is an outstanding tapered array performer. With the festival over, you can afford to divert all your spare change to making an R_-3 difference in your life. HornEd PS: San Antonio remains one of my most favorite cities to live and party. ------------------ Living HT Legends KLF 30 L&R Mains RC-7 Center (ordered) KLF 30 L&R Surrounds KLF 30 L&R Rear Effects KLF 10 L&R Front Effects Twin SVS CS-Ultra Pwr Sub KSW-15 Pwr Sub (rear) Speaker Support Systems: Mitsubishi RPHD1080i 65" Yamaha RX-V3000 Receiver and such... Tweak On!

Hmmm, PhilH, your comment about rotating the square horn in an RC-7 means that two rotated horn RC-7 as mains and a regular RC-7 over the TV means that the tone & timbre bug-a-boo takes a holiday. Very interesting HT! HornEd ------------------ Living HT Legends KLF 30 L&R Mains RC-7 Center (ordered) KLF 30 L&R Surrounds KLF 30 L&R Rear Effects KLF 10 L&R Front Effects Twin SVS CS-Ultra Pwr Sub KSW-15 Pwr Sub (rear) Speaker Support Systems: Mitsubishi RPHD1080i 65" Yamaha RX-V3000 Receiver and such... Tweak On!

Sub placement can be a real comedic exercise. "Trial & Error" has determined my best location is 1/3 of the way down the right hand wall! I have stacked (with insulators) KLF 30's on top of KSW-12's in the side surround and rear effects positions for reasons other than the best possible bass performance. I want the rear KLF 30's to be high enough for the mid-range and tweeter to be higher than the back of my chair and the furniture and heavy draperies allow only a narrow area of wall behind the rear locations. Further, the purpose of the KSW-12's was to provide a greater kick (with "real world" directionality) to surprise sounds on movie tracks. That was more a factor when I had lesser speakers than KLF 30's in those positions. I use a KSW-15 as my primary sub and will be shifting it to being a rear sub upon the arrival of the just released twin SVS CS-Ultra package. I am in mid-experiment and need reliable first octave performance. I was trying to hold out for the new Klipsch subs and intend to review them when they become available. When the new sub and RC-7 are in place, I will do some extensive testing (and measuring) to determine the best locations for the equipment I have in the place that I have to play it. The moment of truth is always when the ears meet the location, location, location. HornEd ------------------ Living HT Legends KLF 30 L&R Mains RC-7 Center (ordered) KLF 30 L&R Surrounds KLF 30 L&R Rear Effects KLF 10 L&R Front Effects Twin SVS CS-Ultra Pwr Sub KSW-15 Pwr Sub (rear) Speaker Support Systems: Mitsubishi RPHD1080i 65" Yamaha RX-V3000 Receiver and such... Tweak On!

No, Boa, as you may know, Tom, the SVS's SubHuman Knight Errant is on a do-it-himself "Holy Grail" of subwoofers... the SS... in which cost will not be a primary design concern. A small company, SVS has elected to build high quality twin subwoofers powered by a two channel amp and tweaked to your heart's content by an equalizer. The units use 97oz strontium ferrite magnets and are built on a highly modified 20-39 format which claims (approx. 7.5dBs at 20Hz!)... and SVS touts them as their finest subs to date. This was the first day that a select list of customers got an email inviting them to plunk their money down and get in line. You can catch the act at http://www.svsubwoofers.com/CSUltrahome.htm The SVS unit fits well into my bass management of low frequency experiments. My interest in the new Klipsch subs remains high... I am curious as to how close Klipsch will come to your Velo 18" HGS in overall sound quality. Again, I must echo the praises of Klipsch for allowing us to be free and open in our concerns and comparisons of speakers rather than politics. Now, if my newly ordered RC-7 would just get here... oh, yeah, and then there is the long awaited progressive scan DVD player that I am holding out for... Does it ever stop! Happily, not in my memory. HornEd

Thanks, BobG... we needed that. I would suggest that once folks have "connected" on the "Trading Posts" that they conduct any negotiations or finalizing of the deal over their own email or by telephone... that's how we did in my acquisitions over this BB when authorized dealers could not supply my needs. IMHO, if Klipsch can give us a place to meet and we do the details off site, there is not even a question of a computer error in what a thread said. It is a great comfort knowing that we have the peer pressure of Klipsch owners to make this a great place to swap. Again, thanks for banging away at the legal team. HornEd

If patience were life's only virtue, I would be condemned without reprieve. I have tried four Klipsch subwoofers and longed for an earful of the new ones. Since I am in the middle of an experiment using low bass and Klipsch horns to preserve and enhance neural networks and quality of life for aged persons. Tom Vodhanel of SVS has been most helpful and certainly has spoken well of Klipsch, and I can get a delivery commitment from SVS that is not quite ready at Klipsch. Frankly, the Twin SVS CS-Ultra subwoofers including a Samson 1000 watt pro amp, ART 351 Equalizer, plus cables for $2,765 is reasonable if they work as advertised. If they fail to deliver, I will let my fellow BB members know. Fear not, BobG, I will most likely pick up the best Klipsch has to offer at my first opportunity. On your suggestion, I have chosen to order a new RC-7 rather than converting a spare KLF 30 or KLF 10 to a center speaker. HornEd ------------------ HornEd's Living Legends KLF 30 L&R Mains KLF RC-7 Front Center (on order) KLF 30 L&R Side Surrounds KLF 30 L&R Rear Effects KLF 10 L&R Front Effects SVS CS-Ultra Front Sub (on order) KSW-15 Rear Sub Speaker Support Systems: Mitsubishi RPHD1080i 65" Yamaha RX-V3000 Receiver and such... Tweak On! This message has been edited by HornEd on 06-13-2001 at 03:27 PM

Wow, maxg, that's heavy! But, if you do it, be sure to beef up your home security. I would hate for you to go to all that work and then put up a post that you lost your marbles... HornEd PS: On the serious side, IMHO a slab of marble tightly bonded to the speaker cabinet exterior ought to really stiffen the chamber. Conceivably, you could also but marble on the front with cutouts for a classy exposed speaker look. Now that you have tossed the HT perspective to concentrate on the two-channel world, why not go for it... and post photos. I'm excited, and I grew up next to Colma, the only city designated a "Necratorium" in the U.S.A. Lots of marble orchards, and famous "residents" like Wyatt Earp, here but the marble harvesting price in S.F. is very high even without the inscription. HornEd This message has been edited by HornEd on 06-13-2001 at 10:03 AM

Thanks to the advice of Trey Cannon, a half dozen spare "damoly plugs" and an assortment of Teflon tape, hammer, pliers, drill, screwdriver, putty and paint... plus some cheerleading commentary by BobG and BlakeT... and the freight damaged pair of KLF 30's are looking and singing like they were born to. I am sure that if I let the freight company pick up the speakers to assess the damage... it would have been many months before issues were resolved. But, overall, the experience proves that doing business on this BB can work well for the members... it just doesn't solve the freight issues that haunt vintage models. Next time I am going to specify shipping by "T-T-Keith's Bungling Bros, Dropem & Daily Freight Services!" and buy a lottery ticket. HornEd This message has been edited by HornEd on 06-17-2001 at 07:48 AM

Thanks, htxpert, that's just what I was hoping to hear... I'm on my way to my local authorized dealer post haste. HornEd

I have never met a Q. with so many A.'s... you are an inspiration to us all with a unique blend of Klipsch daring do, audio space design & management, cabinetry wizard, and keeper of the secret of deriving empowerment from one's wife! But, tell me, friend Q, will she really let you put in black carpet with all those big red PWK initials? I hope you will share with us the dimensions and angles of your next HT room design. I chose Legends to build this current system for my mother's benefit in her rather compact San Francisco corner home. As long as her neighbors of 50 years remain hearing impaired, all will be well. My longer range plans include building a stout retirement home on sufficient acreage to be able to enjoy the full Klipschorn experience. By retrieving this thread, you are defining what the full Klipschorn experience can be! Contemplating your six-cornered room HT room design has set my head spinning with a smile that makes my financial advisor shudder! I trust that you will get some sketches up on this BB so we can all follow your amazing Klipsch path. Now all you need is a good "Fog Horn" DVD to perform a maritime service by keeping ships at bay for miles around... Thanks for sharing... and please don't stop! HornEd PS: What kind of ceiling and walls are you planning to build around your next HT extravaganza? This message has been edited by HornEd on 06-12-2001 at 01:55 AM

That's a great price on your Yamaha RX-V3000... especially if it works. When given a chance to do their best with efficient Klipsch speakers, that particular Yammie does the job... especially for HT! A couple of quick responses to some of your latest questions. 1. The trend in cinematic sound is for more discrete sounds broadcast from strategically placed speakers rather than the diffuse sound "clues" of Dolby Surround Sound and ProLogic days. The more discrete channels on a sound recording, the greater the need for a speaker that matches tone & timbre with your main speakers. 2. While the main speakers usually carry the burden for the musicality and punch of a sound system, ideally with a discretely recorded sound source, all of the six primary speakers (LFront, FCenter, RFront, LSurround, RCenterEffects, and RSurround) should be the same model. Unfortunately, that is not always practical. So, often one must rely on the mains (RFront & LFront) to carry the full spectrum of the best sound one can afford. Then, specialized speakers can be used and, hopefully, the shortfall in their tone & timbre will be offset by the strength and quality of the mains. 3. For HT, the MOST CRITICAL SPEAKER is the front center channel as it has the primary job of conveying the dialogue crisply and clearly... and making the correlation between the image that is supposedly making a sound... and the sound that is attributed to that image. In music, it is the mains that should take precedence. But make no mistake, HT is a visually oriented medium and the front center speaker is where sound engineers direct their primary concerns. Obviously, it takes more than laying a main speaker on its side and placing it over or under one's screen is not sufficient. Like the side surrounds, fashion usually dictates a rather smallish center speaker when compared to the mains. Also, the mid-range and tweeter are in the center and the smaller than mains woofers flank them. Before center speakers became popular, the "apparent" positioning of sounds could be created by sending a different "amount of a sound" to the left and right speakers so we two-eared information processors can determine the illusion of from where the sound is coming. Having a center channel to use in this sound imaging illusion gives the sound engineer a lot tighter control over how the illusion will form in that critical space between a spectators ears. 4. There is NO good reason to match the rear center speaker in a 6.1 configuration with the front center speaker. I made this mistake following "expert" advice. The mission of the rear effects (speakers) are to knit the rear sound stage together (from either a discrete or matrixed source) and does not have a critical function of extra clarity in the vocal frequency range. The closer the rear effects speakers are in tone and timbre to the mains the better (in my experience). 5. Side surround speakers that match the mains in tone & timbre give the best service if the room is large enough to enjoy ambient sound effects, as well as, the discrete effects found in the recent trend of better quality source material. Most "surround" speakers are designed to project diffuse sounds toward the front and rear of the primary listening area. "Matching" surrounds usually are considerably smaller than the mains they are supposed to match... partly due to the pressure from "interior decor sensitive" people that are so important in our personal quality of life issues. Frankly, it is a challenge to get such a person to convert the living room to early MDF in black vinyl... but real wood veneers can help... but usually not enough to allow the full-size speakers that are likely to speak better over the next twenty years or so. 6. As humans, we are most focused, like most other predators, on what is directly in front of our noses. The mains and center team up to create a primary sound stage which, along with the screen image, take up nearly all of our attention. The rear array alerts us to danger... and provides the comforting background that enhances the illusion of being enveloped by the sound and fury on the main screen. Some receivers, like the V3000, allow small separate amp wattage to drive Front Effects speakers to create a secondary sound stage (derived from the front L&R mains) that is higher and wider than the mains... and works best several dB's lower in volume than the mains. The role of the Front Effects speakers is quite like that of the Rear Effects and Side Surround speakers, to create an overall background effect while the mains and center speaker command our attention. 25 watts drives a lot of sound from a Klipsch... so do not underestimate (as I did) what you can do for front effects. But, also, do not make the mistake that the front effects (as they are presently configured) do not require the closeness of tone & timbre of other speakers in your system. 7. The integration of six or eight speakers needs to be done with an SPL meter (preferably analog) rather than by "ear" due to the natural bias we develop as listeners. Save you delicate ears for the show... not for the set-up. 8. I am in the middle of an extensive test of various approaches to bass management... and would like to reserve comment on "Subwoofers I Have Known" for the moment. Unfortunately, I did not have all this spelled out for me six-months ago when I built my present system... and so I ran through a couple of dozen speakers before I settled on something that began to meet my reasonable expectations. And, for whatever-it-is-worth, I have used digital optical cables, Z-series Monster component cables and speaker lines as first choices as needed. It seems that I got a lot more apparent benefit when I used higher end connectors between AV components in building showroom theaters in the past... and continue the practice out of force of habit. In the showroom long runs (the theaters sat 60-100 folks) we used heavily insulated 12 ga. stranded copper wire to good effect. Someday, the furniture and speaker manufacturers may get together and develop an excuse to hide full-size speakers in some socially desirable and inherently practical (from the decor authority's perspective) piece of furniture. I trust the redundancy in this post is not too offensive for the old timers and not too arcane for the latest crop of lurkers out there. I hope the length and continuity helps my flagging communication skills. HornEd This message has been edited by HornEd on 06-11-2001 at 12:56 AM

Hmm, thanks BobG, I kneaded that! Looks like my head isn't a tapered array either... but it sure beginning to feel that way! And, come to think of it, just because you think you can afford the downside of brain surgery self-taught doesn't mean it's a worthy use of one's time and resources. Then again, I think it was Col. Sanders who said, "If at first you don't fricassee... fry, fry a hen. HornEd This message has been edited by HornEd on 06-10-2001 at 10:47 AM

While all but three of my speakers came from regional authorized dealers (within 250 miles), I purchased my C-7 and my last pair of KLF 30's from people who mentioned they had them for sale on this BB. Both transactions were a delight (except for FedEx & Mail Boxes, Etc.) but that was not the fault of the poster... a Hope, AR, native and German student of Mrs. PWK. The other fellow has a fishing boat, is as devoted a big Klipsch guy as you will find... and knows how to smoke his own fresh caught salmon. My point is finding lost Legends on this board is a great opportunity to know good people better. Obviously, commerce always has a potential downside, but I rather take a chance with someone (liberal, conservative or anarchist) that is willing to stand the objective scrutiny of this pack of nitpickers than some slicker waiting to pull my chain on ebay. Maybe we could do it informally on "Upgrading Older Speakers" since that is what is usually happening when someone is looking for a good home for an old Klipsch. After all, preserving a market for old Klipsch speakers builds a better word-of-mouth basis to attract new Klipsch sales. Avast ye connoisseurs of closeted Klipsches and SALE ON, me mateys! HornEd PS: I would not expect Klipsch to underwrite an ebay-like bid process... but a minimal haggle direct sale opportunity certainly has been pleasant for buyer and seller in my case... and no damage was made to authorized dealers since the purchases were for discontinued models. I certainly feel better about laying down big bucks for new speaks when I believe my old speaks retain real value to my ears AND my pocketbook. This message has been edited by HornEd on 06-10-2001 at 10:24 AM

I'll take your word for it USparc. That is the thread that I apparently incorrectly remembered... and I do appreciate your calling my attention to it. In retirement, I am not the critical thinker I once was... and have to learn to check up on myself more these days. I need to revisit that thread... it seemed to me that one Klipsch center was noted as not being a tapered array. (I revisited the thread, and indeed, it was the SC-1 that was not a tapered array. The RC-3 was the first Klipsch tapered array. I sit corrected. For decades, I made a living by my wits... operating at half speed is not fun ) I did indeed try an RC-3 prior to the C-7 and think that the C-7 is a better match for the Legends... and to my ear, I thought dialogue clearer on the C-7. In fact, I continued to use the RC-3 as a Rear Effects speaker until given the opportunity to trade it in for full value on another set of KLF 30's. Mea culpa, mea culpa, this is one time that "x" stood for the unknown and "spurt" was, indeed, a drip under pressure! HornEd This message has been edited by HornEd on 06-10-2001 at 09:48 AM

Glider, BobG is right on and then some. If you have seen some of the threads that talk about "tapered arrays" in center channels, that is what avoiding multi-paths is all about. One woofer is set to roll off before it hits the vocal frequencies... thus if you use two center speakers... one should be set to roll off to keep dialogue clear. The C-7 has a tapered array the RC-3 does not (I tried one before finding the C-7). Another reason against two center speakers is that a disproportionate amount of HT sound is funneled through the center speaker (upwards of 70%) and adding a second center compounds that potential problem. Along the same line, one of my pet peeves is that center channels handle so much material... yet they are usually smaller than one's mains... which tends to negatively affect the tone & timbre in pans across the mains. Of course, sometimes matching the mains in tone & timbre mean having such a massive center that the sound imaging match to the screen can get awkward and ugly... that is part of why centers are the size they tend to be. But, on the other hand, it does not make a whole lot of sense to spend thousands on your mains, surrounds and rear effects... when 70%+ comes out of a speaker that only costs a couple of hundred dollars. From that viewpoint... I am very eager to hear the RC-7 in an up close and personal way. It is something you might think about while you are waiting. Be well. HornEd PS: I added some more Legends since the last post. BTW, I used to live at 73rd & 5th and was walking on the edge of Central Park just across from the Dakota just in time to witness the death of John Lennon. I also did some consulting work with gangs and landlords to improve neighborhoods on the Lower Eastside... almost didn't survive... but in the end things were better... except for a broken neck from falling out of a loft bed! The nice thing was that the gangs kept my NYC Klipsch collection safe... but that was long ago. ------------------ Living Legends KLF 30 L&R Mains KLF C7 Center KLF 30 L&R Surrounds KLF 30 L&R Rear Effects KLF 10 L&R Front Effects Subs: KSW-15 + 3 KSW-12's Speaker Support Systems: Mitsubishi RPHD1080i 65" Yamaha RX-V3000 Receiver and such... Tweak On! This message has been edited by HornEd on 06-10-2001 at 10:32 AM

Well, Jim, just looking at the quality build and attention to detail of those two extreme horn jobs makes me want to chuck it all and start again. Then, I Yep, it's time to rock back in this oversize leather LazyBoy, put my feet up and let these Legends speak to me for hours on end. So far I have seen over 200 Blockbuster DVD rental's this year plus at least 50 or so "classics" that I have bought outright. Between my heart and diabetes, my doctors (and my favorite authorized Klipch dealers) are happy that I have slowed up a bit... seems they think I'll stick around on their patient rolls a while longer that way. If it were not for Klipsch, living would be a whole lot less fun. HornEd This message has been edited by HornEd on 06-10-2001 at 03:39 PM

Thanks for the kind thought, Mace. Actually, I was thinking about you and your 30's while I was out today buying some special equipment cabinets that are large and stout enough to raise the KLF 10 front effects speakers high enough. I am glad to hear that you are enjoying while locked in the obligatory placement and significant other gauntlet. Don't forget to aim (toe in) your 30's at your primary listening area and get a SPL meter as Tom suggests... being wrapped in luscious sound can make one prone to make Legendary errors. Rowoo's mouse pad approach is also great advice... or you can pick up some material in a dive shop if you have one handy. In the meantime, ENJOY! HornEd

Thanks for the kind words, Boa. Fortunately, some years ago after breaking my neck I developed the ability to create endorphins at will... so I do the dental bit awake and provide my own pain blocking. But, I have to be careful. Once, an important diagnosis was missed because I had blocked too large an area. Your words led me to a frosty mug of Tennants and a "Braveheart" tavern scene. BTW, there are many oldies but goodies that are now being released on 5.1 DVD's... like "Close Encounters of the Third Kind" in dts. It has an extra disc of stuff that is more interesting than most... particularly how the director got such a good response out of the 3.5 year old star... who had never seen a movie prior to being in one. Now grown up, he has some very interesting recollections of making the movie. Between Klipsch Legendary sound, 6.1 from 5.1 DVD's and my RPHD Mitsu, movies ARE better than ever! All of which makes me wonder why this thread does not kindle a tee shirt making contest? HornEd

Ye Gerrards and little Fischers, BobG, I missed your "Klipsch Truckload Sale" banner post and reference to my decades of supporting authorized Klipsch dealers hear and abroad. Actually, with all the administrators' pro-R_7 posts, my heirs could use that banner on the last 18-wheeler in my funeral procession. Their ears are tuned to the Klipsch morrow... whilst I wallow awash in Legends of a past Hope... Hmm, it seems Legendary "ear-smileys" are in short supply. HornEd ------------------ Klipsch Legends Live!!! KLF 30 L&R Mains KLF C7 Center KLF 30 L&R Surrounds KLF 30 L&R Rear Effects KLF 10 L&R Front Effects Subs: KSW-15 + 3 KSW-12's Speaker Support Systems: Mitsubishi RPHD1080i 65" Yamaha RX-V3000 Receiver and such... Tweak On! This message has been edited by HornEd on 06-09-2001 at 02:21 PM

Welcome Bill, in this BB land of Denon Demons, Marantz Mavens and Totally Tubular Types there are still some Yammie Yodelers who have hung on. Klipsch horns are special... and so is the Yamaha RX-V3000. I, too, took the meager 25 watt output of the front effects to be too low to think much of... and mounted a pair of SB-2's on five foot columns and had great front effects. I had been using three KLF 10's as surrounds and rear effects but replaced them with KLF 30's (the same as my mains). On a whim, I mounted a pair of KLF 10's on three foot pedestals to replace the SB-2's. I was absolutely amazed! The KLF 10's are so efficient that they made the front sound stage come alive like I haven't heard since I left my K-horns behind in a divorce decree. Of course, I use an analog Radio Shack SPL meter to set my speakers through the V3000 to be a bit below the mains to create a larger, background sound stage on which the KLF 30's can do their thing. And do it they do! I prefer using surrounds and rear effects speaker to match my mains so that I have the best match for tone and timbre for HT... and that, too, makes a difference. The surrounds are at the side, aimed just behind the primary listening area and a single KLF 30 serves as the rear effects speaker... blending the rear sound stage ambient and holding the potential to really kick on any discrete programming. Of course, the V3000 converts 5.1 to matrixed 6.1 (and 6.1 as 6.1) which I find to be a huge V3000 asset. I generally use the "Adventure" DSP for non 5.1 material. I am using a KLF C-7 as a center channel but may finish converting another KLF 30 to a "tapered array" horizontally oriented center channel for the top of my Mitsubishi RPHD1081i 65" screen... which is driven from the component outs for DVD. I am also considering picking up a new RC-7 since so much of today's better shows are engineered to rely heavily on the center channel. I think the local Klipsch minions would likely tell you to hold off on your decisions and fill in your sonic holes with the new K_7 series... which might be your best (but not necessarily most cost effective) course. You will note that I have been using a KSW-15 for the front subwoofer. It has done its job well, but I am considering replacing it with the new Klipsch 15" sub or one of the new, upscale SVS units when they come available. I also have three KSW-12's which I run the rear speakers through. The rear speakers actually stand atop the subs and supply that extra kick for discrete explosions, etc. that occur behind the prime listening area. I think you should listen to Klipsch's soon to be heard products, but given your financial restrictions on a sub, you might emailing Tom Vodhanel (the V in SVSubwoofers http://www.svsubwoofers.com/ ) for they probably can give you more sub in your price range to complement your LaScalas. I have been through about 20 (or so) other speakers with the V3000 (starting with a non-Klipsch units) and the first Klipsch I put in the loop was so more efficient that I have migrated to an all Klipsch 6.1 plus front effects. I guess I could say 8.1 but that seems to confuse folks. I have contemplated replacing the Yamaha with Yamaha, Denon or Marantz top-of-the-line units... but in each case, I would have to give up some of the things that I have grown to love in the V3000. Given your LaScala, Chorus II, V3000 base... you have a lot to look forward to in HT and music entertainment. Just don't underestimate the power of your Yammie and... ENJOY! HornEd ------------------ Legendary Obsolescence: KLF 30 L&R Mains KLF C-7 Center KLF 30 L&R Surrounds KLF 30 Rear Surround KLF 10 L&R Front Effects Subs: KSW-15 + 3 KSW-12's Speaker Support Systems: Mitsubishi RPHD1080i 65" Yamaha RX-V3000 Receiver and more... Tweakin' On! This message has been edited by HornEd on 06-08-2001 at 08:59 PM