TBrennan

Tommy---You don't have to deal with it, tolerate it. If the fella thinks Bose are better than they actually are, for him. And Klipsch are better for you. And that's that. Remember, no matter what speakers you have there are people out there that think they're lousy and that YOU'RE some kind of a goon for liking them. It works both ways.

A fin for a pizza. Chinese always ran us higher, a sawbuck for him. A a minimum fin for a cabbie, even if it was just the three blocks from the Green Mill to the house; years ago I was a hack jockey.

Oh yeah, that Peavey is a real good speaker. FH-1 has good build quality with the big brace and corner reflectors. FH-1s work well with K-33s.

Out of consideration for the kid I apologize for my part in distracting this thread.

Listen Tex, you're a minor player in the long list of people I've pissed off around here so I've no idea what my transgression was. Now I know why I pissed off Klap and Craig and Artto but you, nope, can't call you to mind. Anyway that kid was a good drummer.

Visions Tex? It's seems you don't know your classics. Or see the implications of Vorenus being Antony's client and Pullo Octavian's. I'll help. Actium.

What, you mean he's not a good drummer? We shouldn't comment on the drummer?

Good drummer, nice bass drum sound, good drive.

I think that's a 375 in there, isn't it? Show it over on the Lansing forum, they'll go nuts, even the neo-JBL Facist technocrats.

You forgot to call us kneescraping lickspittles. And headnodding milksops.

"Just thought you might dig seeing a pair." I dig it the most. Those are yours?

"How are people measuring accuracy? " A sensible question. There is no accurate system, especially given that speaker designers don't even agree on what a perfect loudspeaker would do much less make one. Is flat frequency response accurate? On axis? Yes? And then how far off axis? 15 degrees? 30? 45? Or is rolled off frequency response and flat power response accurate? And in what room? Which is the more accurate of two speakers if one has flatter response on axis but the other has lower distortion? Which is more accurate, the better transients of a sealed box or the lower distortion of a vented one? What really happens is that loudspeaker designers make speakers according to their favorite notions (for whatever reasons) and call the results accurate. Then audiophiles buy the speaker that has the least obnoxious flaws to them (different people being bothered by different flaws) and say they have an accurate speaker.

"I'll probably be flamed for this or put in the "he's one of those guys" camp but it's really about enjoying the music and anything you do to make all your recordings sound better will work better than concentrating on just a few recordings. " Flamed? Sounds reasonable to me

A real paradox, no doubt. The solution is to have several hi-fis if you can, a couple anyway.

The following is from today's Chicago Tribune, about cat-shit coffee from Indonesia, evidently the yuppies pay $10 a cup for coffee made from beans that have been eaten by and passed undigested through Indonesian wild cats. Funny "I, too, hope the Lincoln Park Zoo sends an expedition to Asia to trap a few thousand civets and develop coffee houses across Chicago. That way, they can avoid fundraisers. But your larger point is an excellent one. Rome fell because Romans forgot who they were. And now, in America, we have coffee aficionados attached to laptops, spending ludicrous amounts of money for a simple cup of coffee, even the kind without cat poop. Oh, how precious our Information Class can be in acquiring new hobbies. They breathe coffee through their nostrils as if it were fine cognac, droning on and on about bouquet and nuttiness and body. And nobody slaps them. Coffee is coffee. It is not sex. We're pathetic and deserve to be conquered."

Wisconsin 7 course meal---a bratwurst and a six-pack.

IB Slammin You shame me. I apologize for my hostility.

CS----Yeah, I think 802s are a little smoother and they have more extended highs too. And Shawn has reported and documented better performence just going from old to new diaphragms, in 288s as I recall. GPA sells new 802 diaphragms for $90 each, I recently bought some and put them in some 808s and they sound nice. I was also gonna buy some 16 ohm GPA diaphragms for the 806s in my 1961 Heathkit AS-21s but I popped the whole $400 for new 902-16s instead. The 806 greenies make nice paperweights and coffee table pieces, really. ;-) I used my saladbowls with various drivers---Altec 802s, 806s and 902s and JBL 2420s and 2426s. Very nice sounding horns. Maybe I should'a kept them. ;-)

"or see if I can source some different diaphragms for my Altecs." Why diaphragms? You using Symbiotics? 808s? Edgar saladbowls sound very nice though I went back to 511s from them. One never knows.

Same guy is selling some Vitavox corner horns, maybe the modders here should be interested in the Vitavox drivers. Romy thinks the world of them.

" Tom....put all your favorite drivers in a bin and then randomly pick components out and connect them together. Would you really expect it to sound good?" Maybe, you know Berenek's Law. I can see the things sounding good from the midrange up. Might sound as good as a crossover designed by a guy who doesn't know impedence varies with frequency. Or systems that run Altec 902s or TAD 2001s down to 400hz. I dunno. I see lots of questionable stuff on here that doesn't draw the flak these things did. To me what was funny wasn't the guy's efforts, as misguided as they may have been, but the unrealistic value he placed on them. All us DIY speakerbuilders start somewhere and often with errant notions. Sometimes we learn.

"Well, "say" Tommy, and "make the point"" I just clarified it, Spongeworthy understands it now. "I will remove the badges and make earrings of them per your request." You can make suppositories of them for all I care. "Oh yes, about your avatar" This has nothing to do with what I use and everything about the irony of a guy being criticized on the Klipsch site for making custom speakers with Klipsch components. There, I've explained it again, that's twice.

"Just curious. What is wrong with improving upon the average drivers and horns used in Klipsch heritage speakers?" I won't say. And you miss the point. I just find it odd that on a forum where guys discuss turning Klipsch speakers into JBLs, Altecs, TADs and other such things that a fella is being lambasted for making custom speakers using----gasp-----Klipsch drivers and crossovers.

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Yes, plastic and reuseable. I bit of a pain in the neck to use but they save you money in the long run and allow the use of more types of coffee in your machine. We don't use them all the time, sometimes we use Senseo or Maxwell House pods and sometimes we use the gizmos with various coffees.