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I'm not sure where to categorize that single LS. LS pair average is $1208, but this is an LSI. LSI pair averages $1000 even. La Scala single averages $472. I'm thinking I will put it in the LSI category and put an "s" in the cell. The s is for "single" and putting a letter in the cell with numbers means it will not be included in the average but you still can see the price, for research purposes. Ideas?

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Welcome to the Klipsch Forums. Welcome to the CF-4 club. You have one of the greatest speakers Klipsch ever made, but as a fellow CF-4 owner I'm biased. Let's get to the volume issue later. I just read the thread and I have a couple of comments/observations. Everybody ^^^ has given you excellent advice. Your buddy gave you CF-4 speakers worth about $1000. You have CF-4 version 2, 1995. These are highly sought after in the Klipsch community and sound very similar to v1. The 18 awg wire is adequate. If you upgraded to something larger I doubt you could hear the difference. That being said, the next time you order wire go to 12 AWG, OFC (not CCA). This is overkill. We like overkill. When you upgrade your wire get some banana plugs. They won't make the speakers sound better, they are more convenient. I use Mediabridge locking plugs. The ratings on Amazon is 4.9 stars. Highly recommended. Here is the "everything you ever wanted to know about the CF-4" thread. About that sound: I assume you have the sound now balanced, L to R. I assume you are bi-amping. I suggest you use jumper wires on the binding posts and ditch bi-amping. I can expand on "why" if you want me to. Volume: I assume this is your first new AVR. They work very differently from the amps from the old days. Back in the old days, turning it up a quarter was loud, halfway up on the knob would run you out of the room it was so loud. The newer AVR's don't work that way. Assuming a range of 0-98 what you will find is the AVR is almost dead silent at 40. At 60 you can barely hear it. 70 sounds good and at 80 or above, NOW it sounds loud! This is the new normal. I'll stop here. -Dave

It's the greatest weekend +1 of the year. Six NFL playoff games and the collegiate national championship on Monday. Saturday at Morgantown in college basketball WVU #14 plays Texas #4 at 1p. Go Mountaineers, Buckeyes and Steelers!

And you have accomplished both. Confirmed sales are like gold to me. Added to the spreadsheet. 🤜🤛

I record confirmed sales. Nothing in my Heritage Prices spreadsheet is personal. Speaking personally, I don't care what a specific speaker sells for. The price is numbers on a page. I like it when people challenge the numbers on the Heritage Prices spreadsheet. It adds to part of my fun which is to try to value various Heritage models. And you are right that the spreadsheet is of most value to those who are new to Klipsch Heritage. How does a newbie value a Forte vs a Heresy? He looks it up. The spreadsheet is available free to anyone who asks. If there is a better data source for confirmed sales, I say use that as well.

That's not a bad thought. I've been trying to re-think the spreadsheet so it will give a historical average which is usually stable over time, and I'd like an average of the last 5 confirmed sales. Using your idea directly above one might use Average + 10%,or whatever number. Your thoughts for tweaks?

Hi Aaron. Welcome to the forum! If you are going to use Ebay as a price guide I suggest you go to SOLD prices, and not just the posted price. Ebay prices SOLD tend to be about 30% higher than FB Marketplace or Craigslist. Ebay has very high fees for Sellers. Have you used Search Tempest to search for speakers? It's a nice tool. When I post a pricing average it is based on confirmed sales. There are certain areas where prices are HIGHER than my spreadsheet numbers and some places where it is lower. There really is a technique to find deals on-line. Our forum buddy @Youthman offers a course on how to find deals. You might PM him or find him on Facebook under the Youthman name to see what he's got going. Here's my Heritage Prices spreadsheet. It's a good research tool. Klipsch Heritage used prices ver 2020-11.xlsx

If a forum member is selling their own stuff, then this sub-forum Garage Sale is where to post. If a forum member is posting about gear not their own then it belongs in the sub sub-forum "Alerts!" and made clear there is "No affiliation."

Jefe, these are posted in Garage Sales, meaning belonging to a Forum member. Is that one yours?

As usual, you nailed it. Part of my enjoyment of this hobby includes discussing how to value Heritage speakers and using data to compare speakers currently on sale to previous sold items. I would never put my opinion on pricing out there if this were a sale by a forum member. Even now if I found out this was a sale by one of our forum members I would go back and delete my posts.

There is always someone out there with more money than brains who is willing to pay ten times an item's worth. That's why we call ads for such absurdly over priced items "the sucker search." We don't know what a pre-60's Khorn is worth but we do know they average $658 (single) based on actual sales. We also know when they are priced at $1500 they don't sell. My analysis of the actual Sold prices is that most Buyers don't want museum pieces, they want speakers they can play. At the $9k level, based on previous known sales I think it's safe to predict this Seller will have that speaker for a long time. A speaker is only worth what a willing Buyer and a willing Seller can agree to. New or used.

Those are way overpriced. Just because something is old doesn't mean it's valuable. I have a few data points for those early Khorns. Klipsch Heritage used prices ver 2020-05.xlsx

CD - BR means those are Cornwall Decorators and the finish is Birch Raw. That finish is common and Cornwall's have good market desirability. When selling used speakers condition is everything. If yours are in VG condition you should be able to find a Buyer. Craigslist and Facebook Marketplace are two good places to start for local selling. Stay away from Ebay due to high Ebay fees. Those are very large and most people don't want to pay the high price of shipping. It would typical to advertise "local pickup only." I track confirmed selling prices for those speakers. In Good condition Cornwalls average $851. A typical Buyer will want them for $750 and a typical Seller wants $950. A sale in that range is considered Fair Market Value. If you lower your price they will sell more quickly, perhaps within a week. At the upper end of the price range it may take longer, perhaps a month. Whenever someone adds GLWYS that usually means they are not interested in Buying but they are wishing you Good Luck With Your Sale. I am in the GLWYS category so I feel I can give you advice and you can know it is not self-serving advice. I would say that is true of most all the guys who post here, including the ones who may be interested in buying. They are your speakers and you may sell them for whatever you want. The actual worth is whatever a willing Seller and a willing Buyer can agree to. I'm sorry for the loss of your husband. He obviously loved good sound.

And a good tidbit it was! I looked it up as well as I thought it was an autocorrect for "parting shot" but the thumbnail explanation on the internets didn't use the same definition/story you posted just upstream. ^^^ Bravo for your story! 🤜🤛

Huh? A variation of tl;dr - too long, didn't read

Then I guess Clemson is #10? 😎

Thanks for deleting that. I expect an ordinary Klipsch page to load in a few seconds at most with my 200 Mb internet. After I did a cut and paste out of my spreadsheet I realized I not only copied the 50 cells which had data in them, the copy process I used Selected ALL the cells in that row the spreadsheet can handle. I said a 1000 empty cells but it's probably closer to 16,000. It took about 3 minutes to load my defective post, the same amount to save after a minor change. FYI all the other posts in that thread load in a second or two, just what I would expect.

I did a cut and paste from the spreadsheet ^^^. That post keeps locking up on me. I'm trying to fix it but it won't even load. I think I posted 1000 empty cells. Short story is CF-4's average $1100.

You had a typo but we know what you meant. Invert 59 and it comes out "95." Those are 1995, V2. It's hard to tell color in pics but I have to say that horn looks gray. Another way to tell versions is to measure the length of the port. v2 & v3 have ports which are 2.5". The 1994 v1 is the only one with a 5.5" long port. Did you see my spreadsheet with confirmed CF-4 prices? I have detailed notes on each cell with a red triangle in the corner. Date sold, location, condition, version, other stuff like shipping if applicable.

Re: The Med Oak pair on MarketPlace: s/n 022 69 0701 Made on day 022 in 1996 (y2y1) then s/n 0701. These are version 3's. The v1 in 1994 is considered the Holy Grail of CF-4's. There truly are some differences in the three year models with the v1 and v2 being very close to each other. The v3 had different material (lighter) in the woofers, shorter 2.5" woofers and some crossover changes The driver changes the Seller did in the tweet/mid was NOT considered to be a problem. +++ Re: Audiomart in Black s/n 041 59 5061 Those are Version 2.

You know the CF-4's pretty well yourself, Randy.

I consider the changes an upgrade in sound. My CF-4's have the OEM K-64 swapped out for the DH-1506. The new drivers work well and many consider this a major upgrade. I see it as an approximate equal sound. Here is the DH 1506 with 11 oz of pure silicon caulk asymmetrically applied. The silicon caulk does help. The CF-4's make great computer speakers. 🤜🤛

Those are set up like mine. Electro Voice EV 1506 tweet/mid, braced cab, damped horns. There are a couple of reasons why the drivers might be swapped out. K-63's are unobtainium so if you blew one you would need a couple of replacement drivers. The EV 1506 is a good replacement but not a drop-in due to being much heavier. A shelf is needed to support the 11 pound drivers vs the OEM K-63 neo 4 pounders. I replaced my K-63 with the DH 1506 because there was a harshness I wanted to get rid of in the HF. The 1506 were reportedly an "upgrade" but I thought they and the K-63's were about equal. The harshness was eliminated more by the damping material on the horn and by adding some polyfil to the cab which effectively did away with the harshness.

Towards the bottom of the spreadsheet, after all the Heritage prices. Klipsch Heritage used prices ver 2020-11.xlsx