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Yes, you can use a y-cable for two subs. However, the person from Klipsch was correct to have some concerns about simply doing a y-cable. If you don't place the subs equidistant from the listening position then the arrival time of at least one sub will be off since you will only be able to set one distance in the receiver. It may also cause issues when trying to use Audyssey. You may need to use a device like a MiniDSP if you want to manually set correct distances and levels for the subs independently. Things then get a bit more complicated to do correctly.
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58 minutes ago, Chief bonehead said:
I’m going to talk about what I did to the “mystery” la scala…..
I'm already registered. 🙂
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4 minutes ago, Idontknow said:
Appreciate your response. I was sure there must to be a constructive reason. Thank you, Daniel
You're welcome. Daniel?
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6 hours ago, Idontknow said:
Interesting about the mid and high frequency being blacked out because it gives the perception they are just working on the upper frequency rather than the bass and ironically the upper frequency is what is often actually praised while the lower bass gets criticized. I would rather hope they would work on the bass instead. It's amazing how huge Heritage speakers are with all their cabinet space, yet don't go relatively deep in bass. If subs can be added, then why with all that speaker volume can't bass just be integrated into the speakers themselves? Even my Klipsch The Three has more audible bass than a couple of these Heritage speakers and I can easily hold it in my arm it's that small.
Every Hertiage speaker model except the Heresy (which has about the same) and the La Scala has deeper bass extension than the Three. What you are perceiving as "more" bass is likely the orders of magnitude more bass distortion that the Three will produce over any Heritage speaker at the same volume. The reason that the La Scala cannot go very deep is because it has a folded horn bass section, and the cutoff frequency of a horn is related to the size of the horn and its flare rate. The La Scala is a compromise between the ultra-low bass distortion of horn-loaded bass and the size of the cabinet. If Klipsch were to design a new bass horn for this speaker, say using the same horn-loaded vented system used in the Jubilee and the upcoming Klipsch horn subs, then it really wouldn't be the La Scala anymore but a new model.
Also, while the MF and HF are highly regarded, there are improvement that can be made. Roy will reveal what those are during the class during the PWK Birthday Bash.
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I suggest getting an inexpensive set of the plastic tools used for mobile phone repair. Use one of the plastic pry tools to slowly lift the ring in small increments while progressing around the ring.
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I doubt that some other diaphragm is going to work. Just about everything for the Palladium series was designed specifically for that line. I don't think parts were shared with other Klipsch speakers.
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14 minutes ago, babadono said:
Ok good guys, how can we help this guy? I'd be pissed too. How long has this been discontinued? No after market diaphragms anywhere?
The Palladium line was discontinued eight years ago in 2016. Replacement parts were available for some time, but that supply is gone. Now you have to find sellers parting out the components of damaged speakers like the seller of the P-17B horn assembly that I poster earlier (https://www.ebay.com/itm/266640005569).
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2 minutes ago, Cadmobile500 said:
Found a single forte 1 for sale local for $200. Should I?
Why not? I think that will work well for a center for Forte II if you have the room for it.
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There is an eBay seller selling some Palladium parts, including a P-17B horn assembly. You could take the tweeter diaphragm out of that. It's a bit steep a price for just a diaphragm, but it might be better than giving up.
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1 hour ago, mark1101 said:
You have built quite the system. Beautiful. I think you need a bigger house Mike. 😀
Yeah, me too. But the prospect of finding a house with an acceptable larger audio room and them moving over 30 years of accumulated crap (I am a pack rat) turns my stomach. 🙂
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34 minutes ago, Delicious2 said:
Looks great! I plan to mount my KI-102s on a 7' ceiling - so even lower. Did you consider modding the mounting brackets or the way they anchor into the joists so that the overhead pair could rotate and be aimed at the MLP?
Those very different choices of Atmos mixes are exactly two of ones I'll be using for first demos 👍
I was really annoyed that the hole spacing between the two outer holes on the bracket was like 15 1/4 inches instead of 16 to match the standard joist spacing. If it had, I would have rotated the overhead speaker brackets 90°. I didn't want to try modifying the brackets as the only thing I own to do that is a hand drill. I also didn't want to be bothered taking them to a machine shop. Luckily, with my 8' ceiling the current placement works fine.
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12 hours ago, The Dude said:
I've got to say, at first I was concerned how those big speakers were going to fit in that room. You sir have done a wonderful job executing the task. I can't mount ceiling speakers in that manner as my ceiling is to low, but it does give some inspiration as to other possibilities other than in ceiling speakers.
Thanks for sharing, I really enjoyed seeing this room come together.
Thanks. My ceiling isn't really high enough either, but I didn't let that stop me. 🙂
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It’s been about three months since I got the KI-102-SMA-II Klipsch Professional “permanent installation” series speakers to uses as Atmos/DTS-X, to upgrade the Jubilee system from 5.0 to 5.0.6. The upgrade is finally complete. The last items to do since my last post were to run the speaker wire, purchase a new Atmos/DTS-X processor, a multichannel amplifier, a new equipment rack, and put all that stuff in place.
Since old my equipment rack was full and because of where my equipment rack sits in the bay window area, I could not purchase a wider one. So, I had to go taller. About the only option that I could find that had the height and the shelf adjustability that I wanted was the Salamander Archetype. It also had the advantage of having an option of solid walnut shelves to go with my walnut Jubilee. I purchased two 3-shelf units and the stacking kit to get the needed height plus an additional 2-shelf unit to get the additional shelves and hardware that I wanted. It was a pain in the butt threading all those nuts, but I’m pleased with the results.
For the processor, I replaced the Emotiva XMC-1 with the Emotiva RMC-1L. I mainly did this because I need the functionality of the built-in multichannel parametric EQ for manual room correction and the RMC-1L can directly use the EQ files from the XMC-1. The interface isn’t the most modern, but I decided that I could live with that to get the exact functionality that I wanted. However, the sound quality is great, no complaints there. For the multichannel amp to drive the Atmos speakers, I got an Outlaw Model 7000x. I have an Outlaw model 5000 in my basement theater system, and it hardly breaks a sweat, so I figured the Outlaw would be a good choice for Atmos speakers. It’s a great value for the money too. I also put my Xbox One S from the family room in the system to have a 4K player there. However, I’ll probably replace that with one of the Reavon players when the funds replenish.
I did the first listen with the Atmos mix of Dark Side of the Moon and the system sounds fantastic. The KI-102 are great for Atmos speakers. I then listened to a native Atmos recording, Gabrielli in Venice (https://www.kings.cam.ac.uk/choir/listen-to-the-choir/recordings/1615-gabrieli-venice). It was recorded in Atmos in the Kings College Chapel. All the Atmos channels are heavily used reproducing the ambience of the Chapel. It was the most realistic reproduction of a recording space that I have ever heard. Thanks to Cory of @Paducah Home Theater for announcing the blowout sale of the KI-102 a few months ago. You caused me was a bunch of work to get this upgrade done, but I’m very pleased with the results. Now, I just need to buy a bigger TV for this room.
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@Klipsch_Kid - This collection of used merchandise should be moved to a Garage Sale post. Please start one there and post a link to it here so that interested people can find the new thread.
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@Chief bonehead or @Travis In Austin - Are there any details available yet on the Chief Bonehead class or the rest of the events of the PWK Birthday Bash? I don't haul my butt all the way to Arkansas for just anything. 🙂
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8 minutes ago, Schu said:
I Posted a picture of it in the other thread...
It's not the horn sub that was of interest to the original poster, it was the experimental pair of La Scala in the picture above that Roy demoed with the larger horn subs at SubFest.
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3 hours ago, The Dude said:
I can't tell from the photos, but that is some pretty dark grill cloth.
It's not dark grille cloth. I used an image editor to black out the grill areas of the top hats before posting the pictures so that the "secret" would not be visible.
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As that picture and the words below it are mine, I know some things. Not much as Roy was very cagey about this, but a little. However, if I told you I'd have to kill you. 🙂 Sorry. If you want to find out for yourself, I suspect that the Chief Bonehead Education Class slated to be given at this year's PWK Birthday Bash will reveal a great deal more. I tentatively plan to attend. If we're allowed to post about it afterwards, I will do so as I did for SubFest back in November.
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With respect to Klipsch speakers in particular, it's not simply that a speaker is 2-way or 3-way. In my opinion what sets Heritage and the other 3-way Klipsch (like the 3-way Legend series and the Palladium series) apart from the 2-way Klipsch consumer lines is that more of the frequency range is covered by horn-loaded drivers. In the Klipsch consumer lines of speakers, most of the 2-way speakers hand off from horns to cones in the range of 1200 Hz to as high as 2500 Hz. In contrast, the consumer line 3-way speakers (that are not fully horn-loaded) transition from horns to cones in a range of like 500 Hz to 850 Hz. This means that the consumer 3-way and fully horn-loaded speakers will have less distortion and better coverage control in the critical lower and middle region of the mid-range frequencies where the bulk of the musical and vocal action is. To my ears the 3-way Klipsch consumer speakers and the fully-horn-loaded ones (whether 3-way or 2-way like the Jubilee) sound more effortless, cleaner, less veiled, and more accurate in the mid-range. I call it the Klipsch "mid-range magic".
The difference in the bass response is mainly due to the RF-7 III having a much larger cabinet volume. The larger 3-way Klipsch speakers can go lower than the Heresy as well. The Forte IV might be closer to the "equivalent" of the RF-7 III in the Heritage line.
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13 minutes ago, Cadmobile500 said:
Find me a single herressy.
Singles do pop up from time to time. I found several single Belle Klipsch for sale when I was looking for one for a center speaker. Check HiFi Shark periodically.
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3 hours ago, jjptkd said:
I believe the Cornwall II was discontinued in 1990 IIRC
Correct. That was a typo on my part. Thanks.
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18 hours ago, MarkA said:
I was intrigued to see this post because it is directly related to the reason I joined this forum.
I noticed that the Heritage Forte speakers are very similar in appearance to the Chorus II speakers, so I had been wondering if the Forte was the extension of the Chorus line.
The original Forte (1985) was release before its siblings, the Chorus (1987) and the Quartet (1989). So, it's more like a Forte line. The Chorus was supposed to be a replacement for the Cornwall when that was discontinued for some years (1990 - 2006). However, the Forte, Chorus, and Quartet were all discontinued and replaced by the Legend Series (KLF-10/20/30) around 1996-97. The Cornwall III (2006) and later the Forte III were brought back for the modern Heritage line.
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2 hours ago, Cadmobile500 said:
I found a single kg4.2 for $75.
How would this be for a center channel for the forte 2.
As I mentioned above, the reason I didn't think the Academy was a good match is because it sounded more like kg series, which does most match well with the 3-way Klipsch. So, an actual kg series speaker won't be a great match either. At that price, it might be worth a try. Perhaps you aren't as sensitive to mismatches as I am.
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The better matched center speaker would be another 3-way Klipsch speaker like a third Forte, a Quartet, or a Heresy II/III. I used a Heresy II as a center for years, first with original Forte and then with KLF-30. However, if you can't accommodate a vertical center like those, then my next choice would be a KLF-C7. It's about the closest match for a horizontal center to the 3-way Klipsch towers that I've heard. The larger horn sounds better. It's not a perfect match for 3-way Klipsch towers, but it works. I owned an Academy for a short while when I had original Forte mains. I didn't think it was a good match. It sounded more like kg series to me. I traded it in for the Heresy II.
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Palladium disassembly
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I suggested the same listing back on page 1 of this thread. Considering the 8000 Euro investment in the speakers, I thought this was a relatively small price to pay to get them operational again.