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Mobile, Maybe I didn't exactly phrase it right. I meant that it's the "cheapest" best sounding 2 channel setup you can get. I don't know of any other receiver/speaker package that sounds better and is more affordable then an H/K 430 and a pair of used Heresys; that's what I meant. I'm usually multi-tasking to high-hell while surfing this forum and typing rather quickly so sometimes my thoughts don't keep pace with my keystokes. I challenge somebody to find a better-sounding CHEAPER two channel setup then an H/K 430 with used Heresys - I dare ya!!! LOL As far as "brightness" goes, most heritage fans tend to like the in-your-face, bright sound of the horns. Many people describe the heritage horns as being "bright" and "too in-you-face." Whether you consider them and that kind of statement to be right or wrong depends on your taste, obviously. Didn't you (Mobile) prefer the Reference series to the Heritage...maybe I'm off my rocker but for some reason I seem to recall that you championed the Reference series? There seems to be two major Klipsch parties here - those that go for the Heritage and those that go for the Reference. I figured you as a Reference fan... Well, maybe I should add a third party - those who like both series because they come from Klipsch but still recognize that they are two different animals. At any rate, I'd still like to see somebody come up with a cheaper, better-sounding setup then a used H/K 430 with used Heresys. I think HDBRbuilder will back me on this when I say that I just don't think it can be done!

Outside of say...a high-school gymnasium, a 25 w/p/c H/K 430 with a set of Heresys has ALL the volume you could ever want. Now if you really needed to fill a gym with sound then I'd still keep the H/K but move up to a set of LaScalas...LOL.

Yeah I'd sure like to hear how they sound on the LaScalas! Like I said before, a late 70s H/K 430 and a late 70s pair of Heresys have to be the best bang-for-your-buck AND the best sounding 2 channel setup you can get, in my opinion. How do your LaScalas sound? I'll bet they sound very bright with deep tight bass, right? That's how my Heresys sound...

Hmmm....I think my first time was 1986. I was 14. My friend's father had a magnavox cd player. I bought my own in the summer of 1987, after working all summer as a dishwasher at the local watering hole, Steak & Stein. I bought a Yamaha CDX-500U. It's the only one I've ever owned and it's hooked up to my H/K 430. I noticed NOS440 said something about pre-'95 CDs sucking. Why is that so? One thing I noticed is that SOME (not all but SOME) early CDs were too damned bright (even for me!). I bought BAD ANIMALS, from Heart as one of my 1st CDs that summer of '87. I never heard it on cassette or LP, but man, I just put it in now to listen to it again and it is just way to bright. And remember, this is coming from a guy who cranks his treble and likes the original Heresy sound over the Heresy II! LOL. I have heard some talk about early CDs being too tinny and bright and overall weak-sounding but out of my 250 plus CDs, I must say that at least 170 of them are pre-1995 and all of them don't sound weak - only some. I have 2 copies of the 1986 CD BROTHERS IN ARMS by Dire Straits and they sound great in my opinion. As a matter of fact, it might have been one of the first all-digital recordings perhaps. Don't quote me but I recall it being a big thing back in '86 that it was a "full-digital" recording. So to get back to what I was saying, what happened in 1995 that supposedly changed CDs for the better? All I can say is that some sound better then others. Laugh if you will, but the Rush, Rush track from Paula Abdul's 1991 cd SPELLBOUND is one of the best sounding tracks I've heard on my system. It's crystal clear with really low bass and crisp highs - a perfect recording in my opinion. As a matetr of fact, I think the bass from that track is some of the best bass I've heard from my Heresys. TLC's 1992 cd OOOOH...ON THE TLC TIP has the top-40 track Baby-baby-baby and that track sounds nearly as good as Paula Abduls - super tight lows with crisp highs and no background noise at all. It's the exact opposite of Heart's BAD ANIMALS cd from 1987 which had absolutely NO bass at all and is tinny as all hell - kinda sounds like only the midrange and tweeter are playing and the woofer went on strike. I did have many 45s as a kid, with everything from the Bay City Rollers and Village People to The Knack and Andrew Gold - lots of late 70s stuff - lol. One of my favorites was Sir Duke from Stevie Wonder, which had many HORNS a'blaring if I do recall - lol. I used to play those on my parents Emerson setup which was pretty crappy. My one older cousin had a JVC, B&O & Klipsch setup while another had a Sony, Nakamichi system with Genesis speakers. I can recall hearing LPs on their systems pretty vividly and although they took great care of their equipment and records, there were plenty of hisses and pops to be heard, which you DIDN'T hear on a CD, which was a pretty big thing then I guess - that and the fact that a CD wouldn't wear out. I did have a friend up the street from me who had what was considered to be a "portable" Sony CD player then (with a big old battery pack no less...lol) and that thing DID sound different then my Yamaha - more treble prone with less bass. There was an audible difference. I long ago lost the manuals for my Yamaha and I searched the web in vain for specs on it. Oh well. It's still running after all these years although I had to replace a 10 cent band (or somewhere around that price...check one of my earlier posts if you want the exact cost) so that the drawer will open and close right. As for SACD and DVD....will it really make a difference on my 2 channel setup? Furthermore, I suspect it wouldn't make any difference at all to my current CDs which I've been amassing since 1987 - I'm certainly not going to start from scratch and rebuy all my CDs just to get the "newest" format - lol. On top of that, I'd never go to a 5 channel setup for music unless it was an all Heritage setup which would take a HECK of a lot more space then my wife's gonna let me have (besides being kinda pricey) so I'm stuck with my two Heresys until we move to a larger house which isn't anywhere even NEAR the horizon. I'd like to hear an LP of Bad Animals from Heart side by side with my CD to see if there's a difference. Perhaps the LP sounds just as bad because it was engineered/mixed that way intentionally - perhaps that's the sound they were looking for. Ah well, I've run amuck with this post already so I'm just going to sign off and hit the rack. Goodnight!

See....here's a another prime example of what's *really* troubling this kid. He accuses people on this board of being "gay guys" while his avatar shows a naked man with a rather pronounced penis. I think our friend is really trying to tell us something. I think he's really trying to BREAK OUT and admit to the world his sexual preference. Unfortuntately, I don't think THIS board is the proper place for that...

After seeing his avatar I'll say this: His posts are probably a direct reflection of his pent-up frustration on NOT having "come out of the closet" yet. LOL

Personally, I'd just buy an original from Klipsch and install it myself. Even a regular woofer would have but two wires to connect and to my knowledge, a passive radiator (drone) has none! So all you'd be doing is unscrewing the torn one, pulling it out, and dropping in the new one and then rescrewing it. Sounds easy to enough to me. I did this to the 6 & 1/2 inch woofer on an old pair of late 70s early 80s Sansui bookshelf speakers. It took but a few minutes. I bought my Klipsch Heresy IIs brand new and I would never have anyone "repair" or "refoam" the woofer. I'd just order a new one and install it myself. The woofer in the Heresy II play a big part in it's sensitivity and to go with a 3rd party woofer would, to me, jeapordize the efficiency of that speaker adn to what ends - to save a few bucks? Not worth it to me.... I mean, if you were trying to save a few bucks to begin with, you probably wouldn't have purchased Klispch.

I've listened to my HK430 at the 11 to 12 o'clock position and yes, the output varies depending on the CD I'm listening to, but I haven't experienced any of the distortion that you've mentioned. As a matter of fact, I find it nearly impossible to stay in the room (which is approximately 25' x 15') due to the volume - it's just too darned LOUD. On top of that, I have my receiver and CD player on one of my bookcases, which, incidentally is about oh....2 feet from my right speaker and just being THAT close to one Heresy II with the volume knob at the 12 o'clock position is enough to make my ears ring for a bit even AFTER I turn the thing off. What this tells me is that I have much more volume then I can even use in my current setup, 25 w/p/c or not. With that being the case, all I could seem to hope for would be CLEANER power, not MORE power. Cleaner power would probably be found in a tube setup but not for the $80 bucks total I paid for the H/K 430 and it's shipping. Since my wallet's a bit thin I guess I'll just HAVE to "put up" with my H/K 430, which is just a TOUGH thing to have to put up with as most people who own these things can attest to....LOL.

Now for a more serious post - lol. Mace, my Proton D940 that died on me is, I think, VERY similar to your NAD 3240. The D940 has the DPD feature, which gave it 6dBs of dynamic headroom, so it's 40 w/p/c rating would jump up to 160 watts on musical peaks - now THAT'S a HUGE reserve! I believe the NAD 3240 with it's Power Envelope feature has 6dBs of dynamic Headroom as well, and to my knowledge, only Proton and NAD made these super-duper-high-dynamic-range amps and receivers back in the mid to late 80s. As a matter of fact, I seem to recall a Proton AA-1150 power amp having 7dBs of dynamic headroom! That's a far cry from the 1 to 2 dBs that most amps and receivers have! Now, I don't know what the dynamic headroom figure is for the H/K 430, but I'd manage a guess that it's around 3dBs or so due to the twin-powered design. Regardless, it sounds better to me then my Proton (let's not even talk about my Technics - lol) whatever it's dynamic headroom rating is - better highs and deeper lows by far! Now I don't want to put words in your mouth, but since the Proton and NAD are so similar, I would think that you'll find the H/K to edge out your 3240PE. Let us know what you think when you do the A-B comparison on the Cornwalls!

I just want to say... I LOVE MY H/K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, I hate to say it, but it IS a Samsung. I don't like Samsung (see another post of mine a few weeks or months back) due to my personal experiences with them falling apart and just plain old crapping out on me. I think the thing that made me comment about them before was the article I read about Klipsch joining hands with Samsung to market a home-theater-in-a-box. Due to my experience with Samsung and their low-cost, unreliable products I didn't know what to make of Klipsch teaming up with them. To me, it sounds like a BAD move and I get vibes of impending disaster (take a look at the promedia 5.1 issues for example) but I guess all Klipsch sees are dollar signs. I would think that after the promedia 5.1 scam, they would want to stay FAAAAR away from any more potential quality control issues but instead they jump into bed with Samsung, which is but a small step above companies like Funai, GPX, etc. Perhaps the lure of the almighty "buck" is leading Klipsch down a road I'd rather not see them take. Time will tell...

The Quartets should sound just like the Heresy IIs because the midrange and tweeters are the same, right? I know that (after looking at the specs) the Quartet's go much deeper then the Heresy IIs but their sensitivity is equal at 97.5dBs so I would have to take an educated guess and say that the Quartets are, in nutshell, Heresy IIs with bass.

Ahhhh....stupid me....I see the issue here - my TV is a regular one with a tube wherein yours is a a projection tv!

Say...your setup looks really nice but I have a question for you: How do you avoid the magnetic interference from the sigle Heresy being placed directly in top of your widescreen tv? I don;t have a home theater setup myself, but I brought my Heresy IIs out into the livingroom with my receiver and hooked it them up to my DVD player just to see how the audio would sound in a good two-channel setup. If my Heresy IIs were within 18 to 24 inches of my 32" TV I'd get massive magnetic interference and the sides of my screen would turn weird colors. So, like I asked above, how do YOU avoid theat with your Heresy being placed right on top of your TV? Come to think of it, your Cornwalls look close enough to cause magnetic interference as well so maybe you can explain how you managed that issue to. Thanks, take care, and your setup looks great!

You can read what I said about this topic before, if you'd like: http://forums.klipsch.com/idealbb/view.asp?topicID=30605&forumID=68&catID=19&search=1&searchstring=&sessionID={038A206B-A762-4FC0-AB25-8D7152E10A20} Just copy and past ALL of the above into your window.

Hello! To me, there are differences you can actually hear between the two models. It should be noted that I compared late 70s Heresys to my current Heresy IIs. This is important to mention because the original Heresy changed around 1984, 1985, or somewhere in that area and was a sort of hybrid unit that was part Heresy and Heresy II. If you have a pair of Heresys that were made just before the Heresy IIs were released then it may very well be hard to tell the differece. All I know is that I heard a pair of late 70s Heresys alongside my Heresy IIs and there was a noticeable difference in sound and the drivers certainly looked different. The Heresys had a "brighter," "crisper" sound. My Heresy IIs had a more (dare I say it) neutral sound (at least in direct comparison to the Heresys) with more bass. My ear noticed the difference imemdiately, especially when all you had to do was throw the speaker selector knob from set A to set B which made for easy comparison. I'll never sell my Heresy IIs because I bought them new and I worked very hard for the money to buy them and after, gosh....12 years or something they still sound new and they're very sentimental to me. BUT....since I do REALLY enjoy the crisp, bright sound of the Heritage lineup, I must say in all honesty that I like the sound of the Heresy better. True, the bass wasn't as prominent as with the Heresy II, but if truth be known, neither Heresy model has ever been known for much bass but the bass you do get is VERY tight and not boomy at all. In my humble opinion, an AWESOME setup would be a late 70s Harman Kardon 430 Receiver with a late 70s pair of Heresys. You'd get a bright crisp sound in addition to VERY tight bass (thanks to the H/K 430 being a little bass monster)! Furthermore, you could get this distinctively "klipsch" sound for very little money. An old H/K 430 should set you back $80 and a pair of late 70s Heresys maybe $400. To me, that's an absolute STEAL! In addition, both your speakers and receiver would have already shown what they're made of having withstood the test of time (in this case around 23 to 25 years) and since there's very little maintenance (other then keeping everything clean) you won't have to worry about how it's going to sound and/or whether or not it'll crap out 5 years down the road as you would if you bought new stuff. If you want a quality, bright Heritage sound that, coincidentally, won't cost a lot of money, a late 70s H/K 430 and late 70s Heresys are nearly impossible to beat.

"Coal-fired Dinosaur" LOL!!!

No problem Moit. If you happen to get one, by all means hook it up to the RF7s as well as the KG4s and let us know what you think. Have fun!

LOL-I hear ya and I'm in the same boat except we have two incomes, which doesn't help much considering what we had to pay for our house here in super-expensive southern California. Thank goodness the H/K I have doesn't suck too much power! Or does it? Hey, how come that litter disc on my meter outside spins as fast as a CD whenever I push the power button on my receiver?! I'd better not let my wife see it or she'll limit me to listening to just one track per day or something!

Well, since having the H/K 430, I no longer feel (personally) that my system is in need of an EQ because I just love the sound that now comes from my Heresys. Of course, I do have the treble and bass settings adjusted (positively of course) but I have no need for the "countour" or loudness button to be activated for the H/K is practically a bass monster. With my old Technics, the sound was lousey (to me) no matter what I did to the tonal adjustments but now with the H/K I get EXACTLY the kind of sound I like, for which, I am grateful to those here on the forum (particularly HDBRbuilder) who recommened the piece.

Chris and I have talked briefly about the virtues of the old Mercedes Benz 240Ds and the old Volvo 240 Turbos and I came across this today: http://www.thebenzbin.com/hotrod.html It's well-written and VERY funny! Anyone who tinkers with these old, but exceptionally well-built TANKS should enjoy it!

Extremely informative replies - that's the reason I come here and the reason I ask questions - I'm glad nobody (so far) gets tired of answering them! LOL Interesting to see that the Khorn was orginally a 2-way design and I find it amazing that a simple woofer change can boost sensitivity 5dBs with respect to the KP-250. One thing I have to add is this: "After 2K, there is no midrange. So, we are left with two questions: 1) What in the hell is the Reference driver/horn really doing, and 2) How can they sound so good?" When I read the above (what Dean wrote) I laughed like hell! My kinda writing; my kinda humor! LOL

Ok guys. Now I'm doing my homework here and looking at the specs for the Klipsch commercial products and one unit captured my attention because it looks like my Heresys, the KP-250. It's sensitivity is an amazing 102db which is much higer then the 97 listed for the Heresy IIs. How'd this happen - by cutting two holes and thus porting the cabinet? I mean, 102dBs with one watt at one meter is approaching la scala, belle, & Khorn efficiency. Throw a 12" sub in with a set of KP-250s and you should have quite a set-up, right? Wow - I get derailed easily...sorry! lol

Thanks for the link Dale. From what I see, there seems to be a lot of speculation concerning the jubilee - 2 way or 3 way (home or pro useage depending), wood horn or metal, aluminum or titanium drivers, varied crossover frequencies etc., and last but not least, 2 very different pictures of the system with the black 3-way picture having what appears to be a midrange horn so big you could crawl into it. LOL. Regardless of the discussions listed above however, it's aniticipated price seems akin to a new Honda Civic, so that certainly leaves me out of the picture and therefore makes all the talk kinda academic. But it sure is fun! On further thought, I wonder if this "new" klipsch product, Jubilee or not, will have that "heritage" sound to it? I doubt if any fan of the Heritage or Classic lineup could think of another reasonably priced speaker they'd rather own than a set of Khorns. It's one thing (and still hard to do at that) to pitch the 2k to 5k required for a set of used or new Khorns and quite another for the 17k or so for the Jubilee. So the question contiues - 2 or 3 way systems? Does the fact that the Reference series utilizes 2 way designs help to make it sound different then the 3 way heritage / classic series?

Isn't the one, full-frequency driver something that Bose praises about their systems and still use to this day? Oh no! I said the "B" word! LOL. As fot the Jubilee project, I don't have anything to say since I know nothing about it - sorry.