LP Question...

[Mallette]

Diane Bish:Rufatti and Brass.

It isn't awful by any means, but after the first three a bit of a let down

Dave, I might ask that you clarify.... is it the condition of the LP that's not up to the first three, or is it the recording?

It would bother me less if the recording sucked rather than the physical condition of the LP.

How would you rate the physical condition?

Sorry about that Richard. Cover and disc of the Bish are as pristine as the rest. I suppose I assumed the comments I made about Word records would explain. Vinyl is lightweight, almost Dynawarp. Mikes were poorly choosen, poorly placed. Performance by the brass was pedantic, though competent. Bish and the Ruffati are brilliant, but the engineering makes me even sadder for those reasons.

All of the above (except the technical comments and the condition of the disc) is Dave subjective, though my experience give me confidence to suggest that it's accurate. To say I am picky about the recording of music in great spaces like churches would be something of an understatement. If you've read my posts on same you probably know that.

Dave

[Coytee]

Sorry about that Richard

No problems... you might understand that I'm personally more concerned about their physical attributes rather than their sonic (recorded) attributes.

[Mallette]

Sorry about that Richard

No problems... you might understand that I'm personally more concerned about their physical attributes rather than their sonic (recorded) attributes.

Hmmm.... Some of my turds have rather extraordinary physical attributes, but they are still turds. []

To reiterate: Physically perfect, technically average. To get 3 of 4 LP's at the extreme levels of artistic and technically excellence of these suggest Divine intervention. If the rest of the guys have anywhere near that experience, it's gonna be a happy time all over in the next few days.

Thanks again for all the trouble you went to. My appreciation will be tangible.

Dave

PS - To make SURE you understand what I am saying, I'd give ANYTHING if my 2500 lp collection was 3/4 gold like this batch. It's not...

[Coytee]

Ok, maybe someone can give me a bit more guidance....

Regarding the CD's that Chris had, I've started going through more of them today. As of this moment, I've got about 30 +/- that are clearly heading out the door.

I've never shipped a CD and unlike an LP, I guess most CD's won't have a grade issue from wear.

So, I ask in a general sense.... what is a good/fair way to offer and ship the CD's?

I've gone through maybe half of what I have sitting on my table and decided I'd be just as happy getting them thinned out a bit instead of waiting another several weeks to get through all of them.

Should I ship them out the same way I did the LP's, letting the buyer decide their value? Should I put $5.00 on them plus shipping and forget about it? (just using $5.00 as a conversation point)

I've got 32 CD's right now, just counted. There are 10 SACD disks and the rest of them are normal CD's.

Here's a peak at the title of the disks... for kicks, I'll hold back the name. I'd be intrigued if someone has heard of some of these. (many are very obscure to ME but then, I do not have any background in Jazz so I'm about as dumb as Dave's aforementioned turds... then again, for all we know, he might have the smartest turds in Texas... (I'm sure he has the largest!))

Gads, I did NOT say that in public... [:$] []

My mother really did try to raise me properly....

Here's the titles of the CD's so far:

In My Tribe

Lost in Space

Jagged Little Pill

The Plateaux of Mirror

Electra

Live in Paris

Statements

Abby Road

1 (as in "one")

Help!

Jaxx Round Midnight 12

Music Pals

Northbound

Evening Falls

Officium

Brooklyn Suite

All the Way

This Time

The King of Sound

Ornette!

The Godfather

Passion

Up

So

Tituli, Cathedral in the Thrashing Rain

Promises Kept

Music for Compline

Brand New Day

The Swinging Guitar

Ghoset in the Machine

Black market

Yankee Hotel Foxtrot

[Coytee]

To clarify something... to the best I could, the artist names for the above titles, are in alphabetical order. So, when you see "Live in Paris", lemme tell you right now, that is NOT Diana Krall since Diana comes AFTER Beetles (Abby)

!!

[colterphoto1]

I received the package of LPs yesterday Richard. They arrived safe and sound via USPS thanks to Gary's mailers.

Thank you, I'll get started listening this week and will report back on condition and the listening experience.

I've got to get one of these turntables located more closely to a listening chair. That would make auditioning so much easier!

Michael

[colterphoto1]

Plateaux of Mirror- Budd, Harold with Brian Eno. I LOVE this music ( I have it recorded to cassette from a library LP about 15 years ago) and would really enjoy it on CD. I have quite a collection of Eno's works. This one is from his 'ambient' series, which includes Music for Airports and Music for Films I and II.

Here's some notes on what's going on:

The bulk of the instrumentation is Harold Budd on acoustic piano
with treatments by Brian Eno. "The Plateaux of Mirror" and "Wind in
Lonely Fences" are performed on electric piano. Budd composed "Not Yet
Remembered" in California, with a melodic line intended for vocals, and mailed the composition to Eno in New York.
Eno then reversed the melodic phrase, recorded it and played it to Budd
for the first time over the telephone. The basic theme of "The Chill
Air" was repeated on "Their Memories," a piece on Budd and Eno's 1984
release "The Pearl". While the theme is recognisable by its melody
line, the treatments by Eno are more pronounced.

Tracks 2, 4, 7, 8 and 10 are mostly piano-oriented, with little in
the way of heavy electronic tinkering by Eno; track 1, also
piano-based, has some light synth treatments towards the latter half.
Tracks 3 and 9 feature syncopation, mostly in the form of light chimes,
while track 6 has wordless vocal-style effects accompanying the piano.
Track 5's piano is backed with some warm synths, the most uptempo
composition on the album.

Because the album was recorded on analog equipment, the listener can
hear the hiss of the tapes Eno used for his treated sounds in several
of the tracks.

[colterphoto1]

The Arild Anderson 'Electra' release looks to be more jazz/electronica somewhat in the same vein as Eno

Personnel: Arild Andersen (double bass, drum programming); Patrice
Heral (vocals, drum, percussion); Savina Yannatou, Chrysanthi Douzi
(vocals); Elvind Aarset (guitar); Arve Henriksen (trumpet); Paolo
Vinaccia (drums, percussion); Nils Petter Molvaer (drum programming);
Elly-Marina Casdas, Fotini-Niki Grammenou (background vocals).

[colterphoto1]

Is 'EVening Falls' by Enya? If so, that too.

I'm feeling moody today.

M

[colterphoto1]

Promises Kept by Steve Kuhn (not speed rockers Champion, right?) is soft jazz with orchestra. Very cool. Yes please. whew, this takes some effort. Nice game though Richard. I'm able to skip about half that I either know of and/or already have. Just the oddities for me today thanks!

Steve Kuhn

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Steve Kuhn has had an
interesting career. A talented jazz pianist, he has worked in many
types of settings through the years. He began classical piano lessons
when he was five, studied with Madame Chaloff, and accompanied her son,
baritonist Serge Chaloff, on some gigs when the pianist was 14. He
freelanced in Boston as a teenager, graduated from Harvard, and moved
to New York where he worked with Kenny Dorham's group (1959-1960). Kuhn
was the original pianist in John Coltrane's Quartet, playing for two
months before McCoy Tyner succeeded him. He was with the bands of Stan
Getz (1961-1963) and Art Farmer (1964-1966), lived in Europe
(1967-1970), and then returned to the U.S. in 1971. Kuhn doubled on
electric piano in the 1970s, recorded for ECM, and co-led a group with
Sheila Jordan in the latter part of the decade. After a period playing
commercial music, he formed an acoustic trio in the mid-'80s, which has
been his main vehicle ever since. S

[colterphoto1]

Officium- not for me thanks. jazz master Jan Garbarek

Amazon.com essential recording
"What is this music?"
Fundamentally, it's an exploration of what happens when an
improvisatory instrumental voice (saxophone) is placed into the world
of early vocal music, which has elements of both improvisation and
formal structure. In reality, it's an adventure in which the four male
voices of the Hilliard Ensemble travel the 14th- and 15th-century
territory of Morales and Dufay, visit the 12th century of Perotin, and
roam even earlier ages of plainchant, accompanied by the always
sensitive and tasteful, often astonishing, saxophone improvisations of
jazz master Jan Garbarek. Sometimes, these new melodies simply
accompany; sometimes they transform the common--a routine minor chord,
for instance--into a sublime, indescribable moment. The answer to the
above question is easy, but it's different for each listener. --David Vernie

[Mallette]

Officium- not for me thanks. jazz master Jan Garbarek

Amazon.com essential recording
"What is this music?"
Fundamentally, it's an exploration of what happens when an
improvisatory instrumental voice (saxophone) is placed into the world
of early vocal music, which has elements of both improvisation and
formal structure. In reality, it's an adventure in which the four male
voices of the Hilliard Ensemble travel the 14th- and 15th-century
territory of Morales and Dufay, visit the 12th century of Perotin, and
roam even earlier ages of plainchant, accompanied by the always
sensitive and tasteful, often astonishing, saxophone improvisations of
jazz master Jan Garbarek. Sometimes, these new melodies simply
accompany; sometimes they transform the common--a routine minor chord,
for instance--into a sublime, indescribable moment. The answer to the
above question is easy, but it's different for each listener. --David Vernie

OOOOooo...sounds yummy. That's for me.

Who's doing the Compline?

Dave

[Coytee]

Is 'EVening Falls' by Enya? If so, that too.

First mistake but dang... are these others obscure or are they known in Jaz circles like DSOTM might be known in other circles?

Even if you cheated, I'm impressed (not suggesting you did!)

[Dennie]

I'll take the MoFi Tigerlilly!

I know it is not on the list, YET! But if it shows up........I would like to have it! []

Dennie

[garymd]

OUTSTANDING!!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Richard!!

[Mallette]

BUMP!

Surely I am not being ignored because only 3 of 4 my my records was of legendary quality...

Officium- not for me thanks. jazz master Jan Garbarek

Amazon.com essential recording
"What is this music?"
Fundamentally, it's an exploration of what happens when an
improvisatory instrumental voice (saxophone) is placed into the world
of early vocal music, which has elements of both improvisation and
formal structure. In reality, it's an adventure in which the four male
voices of the Hilliard Ensemble travel the 14th- and 15th-century
territory of Morales and Dufay, visit the 12th century of Perotin, and
roam even earlier ages of plainchant, accompanied by the always
sensitive and tasteful, often astonishing, saxophone improvisations of
jazz master Jan Garbarek. Sometimes, these new melodies simply
accompany; sometimes they transform the common--a routine minor chord,
for instance--into a sublime, indescribable moment. The answer to the
above question is easy, but it's different for each listener. --David Vernie

OOOOooo...sounds yummy. That's for me.

Who's doing the Compline?

Dave

[Coytee]

Surely I am not being ignored because only 3 of 4 my my records was of legendary quality...

More likely because your turds are known for their extraordinary physical attributes.... [:|]

[BLSamuel]

I'd be interested in Live in Paris if it was Diana Krall as I've read on the Klipsch Forums that it's amazing. But alphabetically before the Beatles I'd go with The Art Ensemble of Chicago. I've heard of them. Avant Garde jazz. Is that something I'd like? I'm not sure I've heard any but could be worth a try if the price is right...

Let's see. Black Market is most likely by Weather Report. I'd definitely be interested in that... maybe more but I'm not sure I know what most of them are.

I'd also be interested in Abbey Road if not already spoken for as well, I don't have a copy. [:$] Probably a couple of others though it's hard to tell not knowing who they're by.

Chris was a bass player. Weather Report's bass player was Jaco Pastorious. So I consider it a score to get the Jaco Pastorius album on vinyl.

And it's a bit more personal than that... OB must be smiling down from above but also shaking his head and muttering "pull". It was OB posting about wanting to try some Jaco Pastorius that prompted me to PM or email him and we exchanged a couple of emails... smiling that I've finally got some Jaco Pastorious other than Weather Report but muttering about it being on vinyl.... "pull"

It will be awhile before I get around to playing either Jaco Pastorius (OB muttering "pull") or Weather Report's Mysterious Traveller but I think I'll save Jaco Pastorius for when I can put on an LP, sit down, and just listen. I'll also need to get the Heresies positioned for better bass as they're too far from the wall amd well, they'll need some room boundary assistance to do it justice.

So condition on the LPs I bought. A bit of static [] on the Weather Reprot disc when I slid it out of the paper to inspect and both have a bit of dust, mostly paper dust - should clean right off and are otherwise very clean looking. The Jaco Pastorious disc is a nicer heavier vinyl than the Mysterious Traveler. So, not knowing how to rate LPs I'd say at least very good to minty? Naturally they'll need a good cleaning and a protective anti static sleeve. Now I just need to figure out what they're worth. Probably more than the 50 cents to $1 a disc I've paid for used vinyl recently that's also in similar or lesser condition. But this is somewhat known and assumed to be at least very good condition. Man, I hope mine are a quiet as Dave's once they're cleaned.

[colterphoto1]

...so I get these LP's, several of which are about a 'well tempered clavier' not knowing at all what I was getting but remembering that Rick Wakeman played an electric clavinet and that I enjoyed the sound of that instrument. A clavier cannot be too far removed, no?

Turns out I'm in for a great musical education. Apparently clavier refers to any number of stringed instruments played with keys like harpsichord, clavicord, pianos of all ages. The 'well tempered' part is about the writing style. This series of works is kind of a primer on various keys and starts with Cmajor moving through each key in turn using Preludes and Fugues to illustrate the various tunings of the instrument.

So far the LP's look good but there's quite a bit of surface noise, which I don't know the cause of. It's worth it just to hear something different and get some musical education.

[colterphoto1]

Is 'EVening Falls' by Enya? If so, that too.

First mistake but dang... are these others obscure or are they known in Jaz circles like DSOTM might be known in other circles?

Even if you cheated, I'm impressed (not suggesting you did!)

Ah, looking it up by title I find a Jacob Young title by that name. Some splendid interludes of jazz guitar and other instruments. Wonderful stuff, yes please.