Clipped and Shorn Posted September 10, 2002 Share Posted September 10, 2002 Cowabunga, Big Wednesday coming up......and mondo tubes if you will..... {a tube is a tube is a tube} -Concessions & Sewers aka -Cobbles & Suicides aka -Castles & Snipes aka -Courts & Secrets aka -Cunha's & Sunset aka -Crouching Lion & Sleepy Hollow aka -Costa Azul & Snake Point aka -CBS-Hytron & Sylvania aka -Cunningham Radiotron & Sonotone aka -Cetron & Sovtek aka -Calvert & Sperry aka -Chatham & Svetlana aka -CEIEC-hunan & Shuguang I mean is the a 13-step program for this kind of thing? {seek and you shall find}... ------------------ Cornwalls currently upgrading to all tube components This message has been edited by Clipped and Shorn on 09-10-2002 at 01:36 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigdnfay Posted September 10, 2002 Author Share Posted September 10, 2002 jim, i do have one of the original logos. as most of you know, these logos(pie wedge) have a tendency to fall off. i do have a set that i reproduced from the original(seen in the update category). i'll leave it up to the new owner to decide. they will recieve 3 logos(one original,2 reproductions). i used hot glue to mount the logos on my k-horn reproductions. $930 was a steal. you were very fortunate to find your k-horns at that price. c&s, good luck with your tube adventure. big d Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clipped and Shorn Posted September 11, 2002 Share Posted September 11, 2002 This forum is getting hopeless. Anyone else notice how sense of humor and age are inversely proportional. Cannot believe my tube adventure went over everyone's head, at least kh had an excuse, he was stoked in a 10' tube when it happened. You can take moondog out of the tube but you cannot take the tube out of the moondog......and what is the connection between moondog and Thomas Kinkade? Last chance for points. -C&S ------------------ Cornwalls currently upgrading to all tube components Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted September 11, 2002 Share Posted September 11, 2002 Clipped, If I knew who the heck Thomas Kinkade was I might take a shot but ....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clipped and Shorn Posted September 11, 2002 Share Posted September 11, 2002 OK, times up goofyfoots. Thomas Kinkade and Billy Al Bengston are both painters. Bengston was known as "moondoggie" back in his surfing days at Malibu. http://www.lagunaartmuseum.org/exhib_details/surf_culture/surf_culture_pages/s urf_culture_4.html www.aafla.org/SportsLibrary/JSH/ JSH1996/JSH2303/jsh2303j.pdf -C&S ------------------ Cornwalls currently upgrading to all tube components This message has been edited by Clipped and Shorn on 09-11-2002 at 05:16 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fini Posted September 11, 2002 Share Posted September 11, 2002 Tough crowd, Clipped... fini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clipped and Shorn Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 fini, I gnow whatt you meen, they hardly ever keep with it up inyourendo. -contrived & sic ------------------ Cornwalls currently upgrading to all tube components Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile homeless Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 I havent heard anyone mention "Moondoggie" in 20 years. Right you are on that one. And the name Moondoggie was used in those pseudo-surf films ala Gidget where James Darren played the redoubtable (in his own mind) "MOONDOGGIE" much to the chagrin of the real Moondoggie Bengston I would imagine (or maybe not). The real Malibu surf scene was nothing like today, where most sub-20s surfers have the character depth of a pop-up book, filled with cardbard cutouts. True freaks like Mikey Dora dont come around too often. I've been surfing for over 30 years...(christ, that looks scary in print). Lets just say I started when I was 10 on a Hansen Mike Doyle Pointed Tail V bottom(which I still have, amazingly enough). See the evidence above. Since most of you freaks know me as Tube Audio Swine, I decided to post this rather horrifying collage of water activity, about as far from coupling caps and audio as you can get. For you California vagabonds, I posted a B&W at the bottom left. I hope a few of you know where this was taken a few years ago. If not, you need to get out more.... kh ps- C&S, how did you know I was goofy foot? heh... See what being left handed and right footed does to you? And I apologize for the painful self-aggrandisement; it appears to be "Mobile Homeless riding a piece of plastic" day. On hindsite, that whole pic should have been 2 inches wide. This message has been edited by mobile homeless on 09-12-2002 at 09:13 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 You're groovin now daddyo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile homeless Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 Mdeneen is correct. It's a unique building that, at the time, actually overshadowed the art contained within, at least compared to the NYC offering. I have not been back in awhile but anyone in the area should at least drop by. I wonder how the collection is now. I think they changed curators a few times since the new museum was completed. kh This message has been edited by mobile homeless on 09-12-2002 at 10:24 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile homeless Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 Lord...holy thread hijacking... my apology to "big d" with the Khorn special. I am still considering a pair of horns as I type. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile homeless Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 I actually liked the building at the time but it was within six months of completion and I witnessed no strange structure problems. I am not from there (only saw it for a few hours) and did not examine the building up close but I thought it far more engaging than you did. Unfortunately, the art within was not up to par yet. Then again, I like buildings that are a bit distant from the Federal style. I think the building is quite impressive from the inside central location. The outside brick structure, to my eye, didnt reveal itself as brick tacked to wood. Still, the interior was striking to me and the lighting is interesting. I dont agree at all with your take about it being bulldozed to the ground as if a load of crap. I think this is a bit over the top personally. I sure havent read much about SF wanting it done away with. As I remember at the time, numerous designers heaped praise on the building, then again, this is not always saying much. More importantly, I just hope the art within has gotten a lot better as this is the main subject at hand. Still, its is well worth a trip. kh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile homeless Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 Getting back on topic, I just remeasured my corners again and I have a little under 27" at the circumspect corner. Not sure if this is really enough. Another problem, I can only get 9 feet from the baffle of the speakers! Also, I have not heard the Khorn in 20 years! kh This message has been edited by mobile homeless on 09-12-2002 at 12:55 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edster00 Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 kh, Are you saying that you have 27" out from the corner on both walls that form that corner? Or 27" out from the corner on one wall and >27" on the other wall that forms that corner? Dang I'm not sure that's clear either... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clipped and Shorn Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 The Calder retrospective at the new SF MOMA was spectacular and put the building in perspective for me. I don't get down there as often as I used to get to the old MOMA which was somehow more accessible just being off Van Ness ave. mdeneen, I do know what you mean about the old space, it was so unpretentious and conducive to experiencing the art in a more undistracted manner. With these new blockbuster museums and blockbuster shows you get more tourists and commercialism somehow . I cannot imagine any art show at the new Getty museum in LA ever competing well with the over-the-top excessiveness of that architecture, although I did enjoy that Robert Irwin got a shot at the garden project (over the objections of the main architect who wanted to control every little aspect). http://www.oup-usa.org/isbn/0892366206.html mh, did you ever read Irwin's "Seeing Is Forgetting"? He came up in the SoCal context of surfing and hot rods. A very interesting artists imo. Any fans of Frank Gehry? http://www.djc.com/special/emp2000/gehry.html http://www.pritzkerprize.com/gehry/gehrypg.htm The EMP museum in Seattle suggested to me that he put scribbles to steel, and later, when I saw an exhibit of prepartory drawings and had the opportunity to talk with a close friend of his, my suspicions were born out, he indeed puts scribbles to steel utilizing some computer software developed by the aircraft industry which allows the blueprinting of the most outlandish ideas and shapes. I also like Gehry's furniture made out of corrugated cardboard. Frank Lloyd Wright generally holds up for me and it is nice that we have the Marin City Hall nearby. There was a great documentary about him and his work on PBS not long ago. Interesting footage of him as well. mh, cool surfing photos, I had an idea you would know what I was referring to with my tube vs. tube silliness. Being a SoCal cat myself I was around surfing generally, but mostly because my younger brother is a committed surfer that I know some of the inside track. He is friends with the likes of Nat Young and countless other notables, many of whom are now putting their experiences to print. I gave it a shot for awhile but my brother is more definitely in the life style and has been since the 60s. There was a time I was out there with 16mm Bolex and big telephoto lenses, but that never really materialized into anything substantial, although I did know some of the local West Coast surf filmmakers. One time (70s?), I even met Mikey Dora at the Hollister Ranch outside Santa Barbara. That guy is (was) an extremely colorful (legendary) character and there are some great stories about him. Save those old surfboards, they have become rather collectible these days. I am going to visit my brother next week, he will be just back from surfing some obscure and virtually inaccessible spot in Baja and then on his way to Tahiti for the umpteenth time. A friend of his has been putting together a serious "antique" surfboard collection which should be interesting to see. Those things are way more rare than NOS tubes, although I did find an old NOS longboard in a pawnshop here in Santa Rosa of all places (about 20 years ago) which I used a few times and then gave to my brother. My memory is now hazy as to what brand it was.....but it was a goodie. -C&S ------------------ Cornwalls currently upgrading to all tube components This message has been edited by Clipped and Shorn on 09-12-2002 at 02:09 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile homeless Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 I never read "Seeing is forgetting" but do admit it's a good title! The Frank Gehry links were really interesting; thanks for the posting of those. Concept art/design taken to a new level here with the beauty of the absurdity of the whole thing winning out as the design is interesting. Looking at his other designs via the second link showed a wide variety of inspiration. I saw that Frank Lloyd Wright documentary on PBS as well. It was really well-done, I agree. I lived for awhile within driving distance of "Falling Water" which they have only now started to get back on track as it was coming dangerously close to coming apart. The monumental effort involved in fixing this great house is insane considering the obsticles. I was lucky to live in Chapel Hill, NC right down the road from a really unique Wright creation/design done for a private homeowner. It was an undergroud house from one side with foliage and rock covering it....the other side was glass and rock at various angles. IT sold for a hefty amount. The owner was a horse's *** however. Didnt know your brother was so into the culture. I no longer really eschew the surfing lifestyle since it became more of a "thing" but I love the sport and I dont think there is anything quite like it. Once you get hooked, it is hard not to do it for life. On the other hand, I came up with a quote 10 years ago that pertains these days: "Surfing would be a great if it wasnt for surfers" Still, when a good swell is rolling in, I am out there. Well, it's only a walk across the dunes so not as if going out of my way. Something about living near the ocean is addictive. Living in the PA mountains was beautiful yet I missed the ocean big time. I sail more than surf due to the waves on the East coast being inconsistant. I'll never give up that long board as it was my first board! I used to have quite a few boards but now have a whopping TWO. The surfing of today does lack a bit the style and of the old days. Has anyone been to the temporary MOMA in NYC housed just over the bridge? kh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile homeless Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 I measured almost 27" from the outside right wall to the corner coming towards me. After that, it's open. On the other side is the room boundary with a 33" or so to the sliding glass door. This config is a bit problematic but they would fit. Just dont know how they would sound! kh This message has been edited by mobile homeless on 09-12-2002 at 02:59 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edster00 Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 kh, FWIW, everyone who has heard my K-horns has heard them with ~24"/side of ¾" MDF nailed together into a makeshift corner and placed behind the bass bins. As you know I also have them angled into the room, out from the actual corners. Everyone seems to have thought they sounded pretty good (a mild understatement?). The folks from this BB were SteveP and Mystery Guest, dndphishin and Mike82. Maybe one of them will jump in here and encourage you to give it a go! This message has been edited by edster00 on 09-12-2002 at 03:45 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai2000 Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 Kelly, I have to say that until now I was never able to listen to Cornwalls, but the gentleman whose Khorns are now in my living room used to have at one time a pair of Cornwalls (before he switched to Khorns and his current La Scala). He found them a good speaker but thought the reflex loaded bass (correct in English?) didn't compare favourably with a fully horn loaded design. Therefore I should certainly give them a try. As mentioned above, I lack first-hand experience, but I trust his testimony and after all those Khorns made me drop my previous Quads (which I really thought were my final speakers - yes, I know they can hardly be compared, but those Khorns I will certainly not part with voluntarily) Wolfram This message has been edited by dubai2000 on 09-12-2002 at 03:58 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Robinson Posted September 12, 2002 Share Posted September 12, 2002 Very interesting and varied thread -- Got to see Kelly in swim trunks (bet that's what the surfer dudes call them, huh?), see Frank Gehry's work (VERY interesting and full of intrigue), etc. Mdeneen, very interesting comments on building mass -- I can certainly understand that viewpoint and it makes sense. I was just a lad in college singing antiphonies in very large, old cathedrals in Italy (Siena comes to mind). When you sing a note and it comes back about 10 times in 20 seconds, there is a feeling of permanence that exceeds the moment; it becomes the primary experience, the music second. Re. FLW, I never knew that about him (crummy engineer) but I would guess that artists of that caliber intuitively know that their time on earth is fixed, so they work on the 80/20 rule, trying to create and define new concepts quickly while letting successive generations take the design and get the underlayment right. Just a guess. God is in the details, just as long as it doesn't take too long. I wonder what a genius (like FLW) is thinking on his deathbed; "Damn, I've got so many great ideas I just never got around to .... anybody got a pen?" Kelly, I second Edster's comments ... I just double-checked the measurements; if you've got 23-24" of good wall, you're going to get 80-85% of the benefit. I think another foot would be nice but it's definitely diminishing returns. You've got plenty of room and the sound would be fine. Just double-check the light switch. I remember a sign on my college editor's desk: "Eschew Obfuscation". Thought it said it all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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