Clipped and Shorn Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 " Dont worry, I have learn my lesson with you, athough it wasnt for lack of trying." kh I don't think so. You don't seem to learn this lesson. If you did, you would have learned along time ago the effect this style of supercilious negativity has on other people's visions. It comes up here in the forum time and time again. And it gets the same response every time you do it. When called on it, you rebuff the intelligent responses others have to this style of yours like a teflon coating. I have seen some growth however, so keep working at it. c7s It is hard enough to attempt building an experimental speaker design with all the steep learning curves and design challenges without little audio shopping experts predicting your failure before you have even finished. Good thing you are a just an armchair shopping consultant and not a football coach or a creative engineer at the Klipsch factory. They have courses in people smarts, do a google search and check them out. It is in the category of positive thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curmudgeon Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 ---------------- On 2/4/2003 9:23:19 PM Clipped and Shorn wrote: " supercilious negativity" ---------------- 4 entries found for supercilious . Feeling or showing haughty disdain. See Synonyms at proud. supercilisus, from supercilium, eyebrow, pride : super-, super- + cilium, lower eyelid; see kel-1 in Indo-European Roots.] super·cili·ous·ly adv. super·cili·ous·ness n. supercilious supercilious was Word of the Day on January 27, 2000. supercilious \Su`per*cil"i*ous\, a. Conceal.] Lofty with pride; haughty; dictatorial; overbearing; arrogant; as, a supercilious officer; asupercilious air; supercilious behavior. -- Su`per*cil\"i*ous*ly, adv. -- Su`per*cil\"i*ous*ness, n. supercilious adj 1: having or showing arrogant superiority to and disdain of those one views as unworthy; "some economists are disdainful of their colleagues in other social disciplines"; "haughty aristocrats"; "his lordly manners were offensive"; "walked with a prideful swagger"; "very sniffy about breaches of etiquette"; "his mother eyed my clothes with a supercilious air"; "shaggy supercilious camels"; "a more swaggering mood than usual"- W.L.Shirer disdainful, haughty, lordly, prideful, sniffy, swaggering] 2: expressive of contempt; "curled his lip in a supercilious smile"; "spoke in a sneering jeering manner"; "makes many a sharp comparison but never a mean or snide one" sneering, snide] My, oh my! We're needing a thesaurus to browse the boards these days (he said with haughty disdain) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clipped and Shorn Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 Ok, I did go off on the guy. But he being the self appointed head honcho by default around here should know better and be more sensitive to how others feel about their independent projects. I am in the middle of a very challenging project as a DIYer. The last thing I want to hear is someone predicting "unhappiness" out of the blue before I have even finished building the thing, especially someone who doesn't really know what I am up to. That seems very negative to me. It sucks to hear that, and he doesn't realize how it comes off. Maybe If my response had been less biting, I could have elicited a simple apology, but I was not really hopeful of that so I did my big drum solo instead. -c&s All that Nostrodamus Mobile stated was that "he predicted unhappiness" . All that other stuff he added in the next post was not what he said at first. I mentioned a project I was involved in that would entail triamping, a known technique some feel is a great way to go. All he says is "I predict unhappiness". Who is this guy to predict any flopping thing anyway? In my book this is called negativity and most people don't like to hear it. I asked myself why he would assert something like this at this point and the notion of "manipulative" popped into my head. He could have just as easily been positive and supportive about it, that is if he thought that anything that anyone did that was different from what he does or owns could be worthy, that is when the notion of "supercilious" popped into my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjohnsonhp Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 Kelly, You mentioned vintage car restoration above somewhere.... Attached is mine...I drove it last weekend during our beautiful weather in TX. I've had the thing since 1980. If you compare it to a Harley it has a lot of creature comforts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile homeless Posted February 4, 2003 Author Share Posted February 4, 2003 Ken, is that actually your TR3? That is in EXCELLENT shape! What a nice example of that classic. I am in the process of selling my 72 Bavaria you see below although the loon hasnt come and picked it up. It will be a sad day...I cant imagine it not being here. I would only have modern left. The 72 02 was stolen, sadly enough. Before that, I had a gaggle of Fiats too. My 72 124 Sport Spider was sold due to ocean proximity... A site I did for the Bavaria - http://members.aol.com/BMWBavaria What a great little Triumph, though! What is the history of that beast? kh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 Here we go again with the Cars Kelly Pushing his close minded self righteous attitude at everyone and when someone gets tired of it and calls him on it someone brings up cars. This stuff just keeps happening around here and it just seems strange that all the problems seem to stem with one individual time and again Hmmmmmmmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjohnsonhp Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 WARNING...I started to type and ended up with a post from left field that probably doesn't belong on this board..........especially in the middle of a heated debate....but since I wrote it and you may know me for wondering long messages I'll let it stick.... Cheers, KJ I am humbled by all the skilled restorers & DIY'ers .... I used to like designing things on paper but I hated bread-boarding them and troubleshooting my own boards was even worse. I did better with software although I evolved into marketing and alliance management. The talk on this site reminds me of my days as an aspiring engineer who even took a course that required taking acoustic measurements from pipe organs in old New England churches....if only I could remember.... In 1986 I was a young engineer working an assignment on Cape Canaveral and took a break to enjoy my view of Space Shuttle Launch 51-L...last Thanksgiving I took my family to KSC and toured the sites taking time to reflect at the wall and especially upon the Challenger Crew. On the recent anniversary late in Jan I saw an AOL page asking for comments on Challenger memories...I reflected once more and wrote a few comments.....Last weekend I was at home in the Dallas area on a beatiful morning having to watch the news to know if it was safe to take my scouts out on our food drive due to my second proximity with history. I found it strange that I hadn't thought much about Challenger until this year and then days later it happened again. The human tragedy is most important and what we are rightfully focused on, but the impact is broad in less devastating ways. My old high school friend's company had a multi-million dollar project on it's maiden voyage in Columbia's bay...poof! That company and the jobs it funds will be financially stressed with delayed flights and loss of one-of-a-kind technology. My own company seemingly unrelated had just launched an ad campaign featuring TV spots showing Astronauts coming home in full space suites..."we help NASA bring Astronauts home safely"...or something to that effect. Out of great respect we have pulled all ads and are removing billboards....At first the ads where charming and reflective our position as the #1 Technology Company in the world. In light of recent events it saddens me everytime I think of those images of the astronaut checking the mail. I enjoy hearing about your passion and the ideas to push the limits... Cheers, KJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjohnsonhp Posted February 4, 2003 Share Posted February 4, 2003 Since I can't contribute to the electronics discussion I'm being self indulgent with my own meanderings....sorry for distracting the scolding and etiquet lesson that so articulately is being given. Yes that is my car taken way back in 1986. It's the same today but with more wear. Here's the scoop on my 1960 TR3A. It's first life is not clear...Florida car ended up in my old neighbor's garage in Kansas. I had engine work done (honed cylinders, new rings, etc.), body work and paint, interior work and other repairs since then. In hindsight it would be better to have just done a frame-up but I was in high school and that was not in the cards as it isn't today. The thing runs fine except for the front end is a little loose...don't mind but for safety it needs to be done eventually. It's been a great driver...out to the lake (as in the photo)...all over without much worry. If I frame-upped it then I'd be a nervous Nellie After returning home from college I took the TR to San Francisco for 5 years which is heaven for the TR3. I spent most weekends driving along the coastal highway and through the city including trips down Lombard street now closed. ....boy did that car turn a girls hair into a rats nest! That car and California were a perfect match. I now have it in Dallas where it's fun except for the summer day time. Now is perfect. I actually love driving the car in 40 degree weather with the top down. In high school I drove it all year round including in the snow but I sometimes put the top up along with the side curtains. It's a very inexpensive basic british roadster. I saw very rare 1957 or so BMW roadsters...I don't know much about BMW's....thanks for sharing the photos and site which I explore. I always wanted a Jaguar or Ferarri or something exotic but now I've grown to love the poor man's sports car. My friends were all motorheads that loved muscle cars. My parents drove a 1968 Buick GS350 so I had a little taste of that, too....including winning a drag race against a 1972 351 Mustang...but that's another story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile homeless Posted February 4, 2003 Author Share Posted February 4, 2003 Close minded? That is something I have never been called relating to anything. And to be called closed minded by you is a special treat. The irony. This forum has a short memory for things said and proclaimed in the past, whether it be theories, statements, or proclamations about gear. What was said full force a few months back, is contradicted with glee later. If innocent and in the process of learning, this seem fine, as long as there is a realization of it. I see neither in this case. My response to your statement concerning the Curcio ST-70 vs the SLA-70 Signature was neither closed-minded nor far-fetched. My response to C&S's idea of tri-amping his horns was also neither closed minded nor far-fetched, just being my opinion after messing with this in years past when I had speakers that were wired for it. I simply stated my opinion, in neither an ugly way nor aggressive way. I was met with bombast. So be it. I bet I have spent hours writing out stuff trying to help either of you in the past, whether it be turntables, parts, tweaks, or suggestions. Yep, I am negative and close minded about new and old alike, anything different. Frankly, this sucks. You two are the FIRST to take it to personal insults, bringing the exchange to the bottom of the barrel. kh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mobile homeless Posted February 5, 2003 Author Share Posted February 5, 2003 Ken, that is a great story. And a really neat car. I have a buddy that runs the local seafood market that has a 68 XKE and a mint Triumph TR3 just like yours. Although I have never driven it, we have gone for a spin and it's great. I was actually surprised at the power of the little beast as it wasnt that bad off the line. And the unparalleled feeling of being close to the road is great in these Triumphs! You just feel so much more removed from driving with modern convertables, even the ones that try to be throwbacks like the Miata. After seeing time in FL, I hope the rust hasnt gotten horrible. That has been my bain of existance with every vintage car I have owned. See this link: EIGHT STAGES OF VINTAGE CAR OWNERSHIP kh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjohnsonhp Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 I had to address a few items of rust during my initial work in the 80's. I replaced a few panels with parts from another car. Few cars allow you to drag your knuckles on the road while driving. It is fun to drive...not especially racey like a 6-cylinder roadster (Austin Healey, Jag, etc.) but just as a go cart on those tracks near the mini-golf is fun so is the TR because it's so close to the ground and has a very open cockpit. It's fun, affordable, a pain in a true roadster way, and it draws a crowd which reminds me to be patient and have good manners when I'm actually in a hurry....Unlike Michael Irvin (x-receiver of Dallas Cowboys) who I saw in Valley Range yell at some guys stairing at his Mercedes convertible, "Hey! haven't you ever seen a car before!". The TR has a huge diameter steering wheel (helps with the armstrong power steering)...and you sit up close to it. I had a blow-out last fall at 60mph on the interstate in moderate traffic...the car flew to the right and thank God there wasn't a car next to me....the TR is only a notch safer than a motorcycle. I had old tires and despite good tread the cords were damaged...no wonder I thought the ride was bumpier than normal. My kids call it the "little green race car". Before buying it I used to sit in the neighbors garage pretending to drive the TR...like a kid playing in a car out in a field. A couple years later it was mine and back on the street. At first I pushed the car as many miles as I drove it I went to the historic car race at Laguna Seca back in the 80's...way cool...the fans drove their sports cars and they parked us by make...all the TRs in one spot...all the Ferarris...all the vettes, etc....this was just the fan parking lot..not the show! I also took it to the fan parking lot of the Pebble Beach "concourse de elegance" or something like that....wow! the cars...the location! I'm sending some partners to the AT&T on Pebble Beach in a few days and this year I'm not going....frown...I just love that place. Good night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clipped and Shorn Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 kh stated: "My response to C&S's idea of tri-amping his horns was also neither closed minded nor far-fetched, just being my opinion after messing with this in years past when I had speakers that were wired for it. I simply stated my opinion, in neither an ugly way nor aggressive way" You did not simply state your opinion. All you said was that you predicted unhappiness, nothing else. You think you are Karnak the Magnificent or something?This, after I finished explaining a rather ambitious project I was struggling with. How the hell do you know what will make me unhappy or not? It was indeed negative and close minded and unsupportive and detracting. My mistake was that I forgot about you for a moment and should not have confided what I was doing until it was totally finished and totally awesome. Of course at that point you would be negative about it anyway no matter how much I said I liked it. Yeah, I got your number man. If I said I liked it and thought it sounded great, then you would say my ears were not yet as developed as yours and thus I must be wrong. How solipsistically absorbed can one preppy mystic get? sheesh! -c&s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchist Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 Wow! What a thread. Did someone piss in someone's cereal or what?! Not to break up the row (because I am so gleeful watching folks lambast each other with high-fallutin words which makes me feel like a higher echelon citizen than I am) but...Kelly, you must work on that sensitivity training. And C&S, whoa. I am not sure an insensitive statement merits the vitriol you promptly spewed all over MH; although I recognize the comment could be disheartening. And why is NOS flipping out? I thought he liked Kelly now. Did I miss something? Someone break out the prozak. Can't we all just get along. This is two-channel not the Home Theater section. You guys don't quit, me and Mdeenan are gonna start up a discussion on the merits of socialism and promptly piss everyone off. Oh, in case anyone's wondering, and so I can offer my own complete detour from the current spat, I am posting at 3 AM because after spending two days putting up a new electric fence around the property, my stallion decided to jump it and have the rest of the herd follow him through it over to my neighbors who decided to ring us after midnight(oh to have been able to sleep in blissful ignorance.) So at 1 AM, my son and I are chasing after horses in the dark, over 40 acres of land, which led to a stampede and them running back through the fence in multiple locations, and necessitating the repair of a 1/4 mile's worth of fencing in absolute darkness. It is a blast. I recommend it to all as a peaceful and calming exercise - I am willing to provide facilities for any who would care to experience it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Mobley Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 Horses are fun, huh? I remember it well. We had 120 acres of nice land in Oregon, 4-6 horses all the time. The electric fence crossed a creek, they would walk down the creekbed to get under the fence. Say, did you know that people who handle stallions have about the highest insurance rates in the world? Higher than race car drivers or just about anybody. There's a lesson there.... Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 Okay the facts of these problems that seem to happen here time and time again is there is always one thing in common ................ Kelly is always involved !! As far as I'm concerned this is proof enough. I do like Kelly actually and in person on the phone he is a completely different person !! When on the forum he rides this place like its his own personal domain and everyone else's opinion doesn't mean a thing !! I'm sick of hearing this Amp is better than that Amp and this is the end all Turntable spoken like its the final word. The truth of the matter is there are a million ways to Audio happiness. If Kelly could just learn to have some resemblance of respect for others opinions and quit acting like he has heard every incarnation of every Amp, TT and preamp things would be great here. I know numerous lurkers that are literally hesitant to even post on this board because they have witnesses the sharp knife edged keyboard of Kelly if there equipment, opinion or whatever doesn't meet his approval. He has literally insulted me dozens of time publicly in his down south laid back manner and 90% of the time I just let it ride but it just gets old !! The truth here is that Kelly is one of the most closed minded people on this forum that does real well to make look like he isn't. He thinks he has heard and knows what sounds best for all of us when in actuality all any of us can know is what sounds best to us !! Its like him stating that this Cary amp can easily best the ST-70. This could very well be true but I seriously dought it (notice this is stated like a opinion). I bet when done a ST-70 properly done will easily match that amp. Why even bother saying what he said ? I can tell you why Kelly doesn't care for a ST-70 because he heard a few hear and there most likely in there stock form so he puts that little slam in there because a few people are getting them on the forum and its against his all mighty opinion. Its just like the Foreplay battle that went on. Kelly doesn't think its the end all of preamps so blast the poster for bringing it up !! Although it is a perfectly great budget option. But hey I seriously think this is a lost cause Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnalOg Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 Constructive Criticism!! Thats why I love hanging out on this forum, it's great for personal growth, so I have learned. I hope all that are experienceing it, sit back and reflect on it. He who doesn't learn from it grows old to become a fool, and he who does becomes wiser. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Songer Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 I built an ST-70 in the summer of 1967 (or was is 1968?). And a PAS-3 and FM-3 too. Used them until I went off to college when I gave them to my sister who gave them to the Salvation Army some time in the 1970's. I have fond memories of Dyanco tube gear--haven't really listened to this stuff in a LONG LONG time, but as far as "bang for the buck" there wasn't ANYTHING better 35 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchist Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 Guys, The sad thing is, and I am sure all would agree, most folks on this board are capable of reasoning and logical deduction. We are talking about music and hearing preferences - two very, very subjective topics as can be ascertained by their very nature or, more pointedly, by definition. EVERY comment or statement made by anyone regarding these two topics is nothing more than their opinion, some more educated than others. We read, we listen, and we make choices about whose opinion we lend the most creedence. Must we include a disclaimer at the bottom of every post? Barring the subjectivity of the topics, I find the arguments above most illogical. An analogy would serve well, me thinks. I could run around claiming a Pinto could wipe the a$$ of every Porsche ever made. Most would think I was a moron. I could then substantiate my position by applying a set of conditions; only in the quarter mile, only the baseline models in the Porsche family, the Pinto having a proper front-end (say a big block, blown, alcohol breathing monster) and suitable wiring (some heavy-duty, race-only, drivetrain), and proper valving (big, beefy Goodrich drag tires.) In the end what is the point? If you like Dynaco's and think they kick a$$, then they do - to you, and anyone who values your opinion without evidence to the contrary. If Cary's can mop the floor with Dynaco's, then they do - to you and, well you get the point. We are here to share info, opinions, camaderie, our days, and, in Kelly's case, lots of pictures - I do appreciate the photos of his wife but he is very closed-minded about sharing those. I would like a diverse board of people who can share their opinions about a variety of issues, not just audio, but we have seen common sense go out the window whenever those topics were braved; if we must now resort to personal insults and character assults over opinions of audio, then there is nothing left. Pretty sad, if you ask me. Then again, I could be wrong. #Legal Disclaimer: Everything contained herein is my own personal opinion and is not meant to imply, be perceived, or recognized as, factual evidence. It is not intended to discredit, to devalue, or to make circumspect, the opinions held by any other persons - provided their opinions are meritorious as decided by a sufficient body of evidence, my own opinion providing the basis for such evidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan_j Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 Well upon visiting a most favorite forum, Indeed I see the brothers shall we say "exchanging" views?? You all need to lighten your loads and I'm not talking amps or impedance! Amps elec or amplifiers music. The whole topic of Tube Amplification and mods, is subjective on the listener to the greatest exent . If you want to change out bias resistors/caps/tubes ect for the perfect sound,do so and feel most free to share but when it gets to one is better than the other.....well, I think most here know when to roll thier eyes and either take it as entertainment or gospel. I doub't that alot of us here were born with "silver or gold spoons" in thier mouth? We all worked hard to get were we are and are proud Klipsh owners. I know I'm a most happy newbie with my freak overpriced La Scala's:) Look back on that one for that was a entertaining thread as I look back. Ivory Towerers here, I don't think so. You may hold one persons "Opinion" above anothers but, yes the but...There will always be one! Like they say "everybody has one"! I don't play golf on Wednesday afternoons, I power up my La Scala's and restore old radios which is the same as the amps but with a couple more stages. I've purchased and serviced these often. I think your more intune with it if you acutally get your hands dirty and service your amp. Personal opinion. From what I've read and on occasion seen, alot of us are "Self Reliant". Good! I've personally restored a '77MGB from zilch to a driver. Engine/body/suspension ect. I did that while I was in dental school to get my mind off of "TEETH" More in life than teeth for sure!! I gave it to my wife as a wedding present. To me that was thearapy and excercise. Difficulty was getting the rusted Brit bolts loose! Ditched the oem carb and put on dual SU's that I rebuilt from a salvage yard. They work well only if tuned properly and that was often! Give me a Weber any day!! That is what's on it now:) I know I can get any amp back in shape but will it be or sound like what I like is the question at my home. It's not Vodoo. Once again SUBJECTIVE. What may sound like heavens gate to ,me might sound like a meat grinder to another. Take all with a few grains of salt, then put the salt on a nice ripe tomato..................YUMM:) PS........did you all get those nice Klipsch stickers they sent out Real Nice:) Bryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan_j Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 sorry for the typo's.. NOT my forte. LIVE AND LEARN:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.