Klipschs for sale, including full set of KSPs and KLFs

[bigsexy1]

I'm putting the following Klipsch products are all up for sale. Would be willing to sell them as part of packages, or seperately.

KSP400s

KSP C6

KSP S6s

KLF 30s

KLF C7 (brand new in unopened factory sealed box)

All are in black. Have boxes and manuals. All are in very good shape/condition.

Reason for selling, and I know this probably isn't going to go over too well here, but it's because my tastes have changed, and I simply don't like the "Klipsch sound" as much any more as I used to.

I have sold 2 other KLF C7s recently here on this board before with good results, and hopefully the partys involved in those transactions would be willing to give me a good recommendation if anyone wants a reference.

Pay pal would be prefered method of payment, but would be willing to accept other methods as well.

If anyone may be interested in any or all of this, please PM me.

[m00n]

Out of curosity, what have your tastes changed too?

[T2K]

"Just wondering, as I've noticed that the KSP S6s were recomended as the surrounds for the KLFs. Does that mean you could mix and match other speakers of the 2 series together? Has anyone tried this?"

Now I'm wondering what your above question/post was all about?

Keith

[bigsexy1]

"Out of curosity, what have your tastes changed too?"

As purely a 2 channel rock and roll speaker, the KLF 30s have already been replaced by Polk RTi150s. I snagged them for $570 new in box for the pair on closeout. The Polk 150s have bass output comparable to the KLF 30s. Actually, the Polk's bass is quicker, tighter, and more accurate, while at the same time, providing no less NOTICEABLE (key word there) output. It has 3 6 and 1/2 inch woofers as opposed to the 30's 2 12 inchers. The tweeters/midranges on the Polk are also much smoother to my ears. I don't know what's happened exactly, but over time, the KLF 30s have got to the point now that they give me listening fatigue if I try to have any extended sessions with them. They just start to irritate me now to the point that I have to turn them off before an hour has even gone by. They start to hurt my ears and give me a headache. I used to like them, but I guess my tastes have just changed as I'm getting older. The Polks obviously definitely need a lot more power than the much more efficient KLFs though, but, I mean how much louder than to the point that you will eventually start to grow deaf do you need for them to be anyway? Polk has a new line coming out, and the RTi150's replacement will be the RTi12, which will have an extra midrange driver than the 150 as well as a Vifa tweeter. I plan on eventually trading up the 150s for the 12s within a year.

Actually, the KSPs aren't really too bad compared to the KLFs. I think they are much more smoother and don't grind or grate on my nerves as the KLF 30s do now. I've actually considered keeping them for a 7.1 theater system, but I would still need to get another set of KSP S6s, and we all know what that can be like. If I do replace the KSPs, I'm still not sure exactly what I would go with instead. How does the new Reference series compare to the KSPs? Anybody auditioned them both? I haven't yet heard the Reference myself, but I've heard and read about people saying that they are much smoother than the KLFs are. I've actually considered replacing the KSPs with a complete NHT VT3 system.

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"Just wondering, as I've noticed that the KSP S6s were recomended as the surrounds for the KLFs. Does that mean you could mix and match other speakers of the 2 series together? Has anyone tried this?"

"Now I'm wondering what your above question/post was all about?"

Keith

Nothing more than simply what the question actually was. It's just that, to me anyway, they are so different sounding that I was suprised that the KSP S6s were the recommended surround for the KLFs, because I just don't see how they could possibly match up together and I was just wondering if any one had actually tried to combine any other speakers from the 2 series together.

[T2K]

Oh, just wondering. I personally prefer the sound of the Synergy Premiere's myself. I understand what you are saying regarding the sound of the Legends. Everyone likes something different I suppose. You'll have a hard time besting the KSP setup for HT. The new hi-res formats work well with them too. Good luck with the hunt.

Keith

[avman]

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On 9/14/2003 9:37:54 AM bigsexy1 wrote:

"Out of curosity, what have your tastes changed too?"

As purely a 2 channel rock and roll speaker, the KLF 30s have already been replaced by Polk RTi150s. I snagged them for $570 new in box for the pair on closeout. The Polk 150s have bass output comparable to the KLF 30s. older. The Polks obviously definitely need a lot more power than the much more efficient KLFs though, but, I mean how much louder than to the point that you will eventually start to grow deaf do you need for them to be anyway?

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funny you made this choice...Great price btw-

i say 'funny' because this is the VERY speaker i chose to include in the following paper to help my customers understand the issues of speaker efficiency, and being a klf-30 LOVER/owner myself, and at 102dB vs. the rf-5's @99dB that i compared the polk's to, the difference would be even greater.(apologies to those who find this mundane)

speaker efficiency:

what is the difference?

comparing polk rti 150 to klipsch rf-5:

polk rti 150: klipsch rf-5:

91db sensitivity 1w/1m 99db sensitivity 1w/1m

how this adds up:

you have to increase sound level by 3db in order to hear an increase in volume.

in order to do so, you have to double the power output:

polk: klipsch:

91db/1w 99db/1w

100db/8w 102db/2w

103db/16w 105db/4w

112db/128w 114db/32w

as the above example shows,the klipsch speaker is over 4 times more efficient than the polk speaker.

what this means:

with the klipsch speaker, your amplifier will only have to put out 1/4th as much power for the same volume level as the polk speaker, giving your amp more headroom(power in reserve) for movies and music to have the dynamic impact that you expect and deserve. you may also save money by not having to buy as high-powered an amplifier that would be required by less-efficient speakers, and operating your equipment well within its range of performance versus running it close to its limit may make it last longer, and certainly sound better.

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once again-apologies to those who find this of no interest, and kudos for the great price on the polks(probably at or below dealer cost)

also i understand the difference in sound between klf-30's and the polks.

i just so happen to like the klf-30's MUCH better, as i have 'tamed' their 'ear-bleeding'tendancy,even at high spl's, which i DO run mine at a good part of the time. i happen to prefer 'classic rock'(not neccesarily OLD rock)

and will lean on the volume more often than not.while this was/is a primary attraction i have to the klf's,i have REALLY come to appreciate the dynamic range of my system for action movies, especially the way,running movies at a volume level where dialog sounds 'normal' volume-wise,that action/dramatic scenes with their associated increase in volume,have a much greater IMPACT on the viewer.

avman.

[bkrop]

avman: you have a PM!

[bigsexy1]

avman, that is exactly what I've always preached about Klipschs, that you are in effect quadrupling your amplifier power because of their high efficiency as compared to the average 90 db sensitivity rated speaker of most all other brands. As I said before though, and will say again, how much louder than to the point of eventually going deaf does anyone really need for it be anyway? The Polk 150s will play louder than you can stand it (without congestion or compression I might add).

As for the Polk 150s, I have them passively biamped with an Adcom gfa 5500 sending 200 watts per channel to the woofers, and an Adcom 5400 sending 125 watts per to the tweets/midranges. That is enogh to make them roar! However, they really do need a lot of power to truly shine to all of their capabilities.

BTW, what have you done exactly to help "tame" the 30s down?

[Frzninvt]

What is your asking price going to be on the KSW-300's as I am interested in one of them. Thanks. PM me if you like.

[avman]

to tame the '30's:

i have a decent room for acoustics.

i used the VERY flexable built-in eq of my strda777ES and bumped the bass about 4 dB, and the treble about 1 dB.this,in effect, made the mids 'recede'just a bit in comparison.

my klipsch rep is coming into town today,so i am hoping to have him come by for a 'sample' of my ht's performance.

btw-listened to a scorpions song just yesterday...MAN!!these speakers JAM!!

avman.

[darinmichl]

i was wondering how much for the ksp 400 s thanks darin. darinmichl@lvcm.com

[FLAMEFAN]

HI:

HOW MUCH ARE YOU ASKING FOR THE KSP400?

AND HOW MUCH FOR THE KSP-6?

[GoIrish]

A little late getting into this but I purchased one of the KLF C7's from big that he mentioned in his original message. Great to deal with, quick ship and arrived just as described. (I sound like an e-bay ****...)

[pythagore]

How much do you want for the KSP400?

What is the shipping charge to Ottawa, Canada?

[nicholtl]

Just gotta say . . . "bigsexy" . . . gotta love that name.

[marksdad]

i agree with avman, before i ran klipsch i ran polk, they do sound good, but to my ears the synergy series in on par with the polk, and my reciever used to get very hot running them. when i brought my rf 3's home the difference was like night and day. i stated this when i first joined this forum, the polks seemed muted, good but not lively, i think i stated that it was an old folks speaker

[Lovebohn]

Does anyone have a price on what he wants for each speaker?

[bigsexy1]

OK, everyone. I was without power for a while because of Hurricane Isabel. I have a boatload backlog of PMs and e mails. I will try to to reply them by tomorrow (Thurs.)

Thanks for the reference goirish! BTW, how did the C7 work out for you? Didn't you have Reference series mains?

[bigsexy1]

OK everyone. I've got such a backlog of PMs and emails about these speakers that it's just going to be a whole lot easier just to make 1 general post here on the board. I'm sorry I didn't answer each one individually, but it was getting to be confusing and overwhelming as to trying to figure out who wants what, who has replied by either PM or e-mail, and in some cases, both.

Seeing as how everyone seems to want something different, and by that, I mean someone wants the full set of KSPs, someone else wants the KLF C7 and the KSP S6s, some people want either the 400s or the 30s (and in one case, both), another wants the 30s, C7 and the KSP S6s, etc., so on and so forth down the line. I didn't go into this intending to try to turn this into an "auction", but in this particular case since everyone seems to want some of the same things, but yet at the same time not everything just exactly alike, maybe that would be best (also I obviously want to get as much money as I possibly can for them in the process, as it would be foolish not to).

So, if anyone is seriously interested in any of this stuff, please PM (and PM ONLY please, no e-mails) me with your best and final offer (not including the shipping charges in that offer, as that would be extra on top of that) on whatever item or items you want. After they are all in, then I'll go from there as to sort out who gets what.

BTW, someone who is located close to me wanted to know if they could pick them up if they buy them to save on shipping charges, and yes, that would be fine.

Maybe, I'm wrong here, but I honestly feel like this is the fairest thing to do for everyone, including me.

[skonopa]

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On 9/14/2003 9:37:54 AM bigsexy1 wrote:

How does the new Reference series compare to the KSPs? Anybody auditioned them both? I haven't yet heard the Reference myself, but I've heard and read about people saying that they are much smoother than the KLFs are. I've actually considered replacing the KSPs with a complete NHT VT3 system.

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I got to hear the KLF-20s once and do a directo comparison to the RF-7s that I currently have. The KLF-20s definitly had a more aggressive sound to them. I found the RF-7s to be a bit more refined, and to me, more pleasing to my ears. I'd like to hear the KLF-30s sometime and see how the sound compared to the RF-7s, but from what I heard on the KLF-20s, I would be willing to bet they would be much more aggressive than the RF-7s. Sometimes a small debate over "which is better" crops on on here. Some people much prefer the KLF-30s over the RF-7s and there are others the prefer the other way around (RF-7s over KLF-30s). It is purely a matter of taste, as both are find speakers.