Guest Anonymous Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 ---------------- On 1/8/2004 8:32:50 PM st. patrick wrote: were listed on ebay. appear to have been one owner 75's in connecticut. i was the only bidder.....which seemed strange to me...but just got notified my bid was cancelled as the item was no longer available. I am starting to understand that the old saying..."all's fair in love and war" also applies to acquiring near mint cornwalls. seriously, i do not mean this post to sound like sour grapes.....but guys (and ladies), i already had my groundwork laid out to counter the inevitable flack (why buy something so old, they are just getting rid of it because it is old, new stuff- which must be better- is smaller, etc...you know what i mean) that was going to come from my spouse of 25 years: like the nice ring for Christmas, the anniversary gift a few days later, couple bottles of nice wine for the evening when they would suddenly appear, etc. timing is everything , i guess. you guys are killing me out here on the west coast. anyway, enjoy.....i gotta go bid on the other pair....patrick ----------------st.patrick I'm sure Iwill have some extra cornwalls in the very near future,let me know what you really want nad how much you want to spend I am located in the chicago area so the only real issue is the packing and shipping, you would be best off buying local. I am having a pair of 72 verts shipped, if you want them instead let me klnow real soon and we can arrange to ship to you, I paid 857 plus packing/shipping/ins. They look great Smilin out email me and we can talk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frzninvt Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 jtice, nope those are not mine. I am in VT not AZ, mine have around a day and a half to go yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Mobley Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 does somebody here use the name "ohnomystuff" on ebay? These are local to me, I might try to buy them, if somebody id bidding say so soon and I'll drop. I might drop anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtice Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Tom, I'd snag'em. It's a double your money deal if you hold them until no others are listed. Wish I were there. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jtice Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 There you go. Cancelled in the final minute. Ebay needs to change the rules. J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frzninvt Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Well, it looks like this guy pulled the same nonsense as the seller of the Cornwalls. I think it should be illegal to cancel/close an auction in the last few minutes. Why are people such idoits? If you expect a certain price for them why post them with no reserve and cancel in final moments that is absolute bullsh*t! I do not know why eBay even allows this it does not seem fair to bidders at all. Obviously, the guy has poor business ethics. Well I guess now is the time to contact him to sell what kind of deal that he may be open to. What a dork! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Mobley Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 content of ebay email to buybuy77: buybuy77, you shouldn't have done that. you had no reserve and and viable bids. I'm thinking you pulled because it wasn't high enough and getting close to the end. this is not acceptable at ebay. If you want to offer them to the high bidder or me (tmoble) fine, otherwise I'm going to file a complaint about this with ebay. gave him my work email to respond to. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Mobley Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 well, I never heard from buybuy77, so I filed a complaint against him with ebay. It's called a "reserve fee avoidance complaint." I don't imagine they'll do anything to him, it was his first auction under that ID. Still pisses me off. I wasn't the high bidder by a few cents, but I was attempting to put in a bid for another $20 and change when I discovered it was closed. Oh well. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Mobley Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 frzninvt, Yours are very nice looking. There's been a unusually high number of LS on the bay lately, I wouldn't be surprised if yours go begging this time, but sit on them for a month. If the the market has been saturated a little right now it'll recover after a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Tom, All around ebay seems to be sucking more and more, they seem to have 2 sets of standards, better for the sellers than the buyers. I bought a set of advertised circa 1960 cornwalls from a Live ebay auction with a 22% premium. they turned out to be 1977, not 1960 and they also needed work, This is gross misrepresentation and negligence. Ebay and the seller are still hassling me even though I provided proof that the speaker with that serial # could have only been manufacttured in 1977 and shipped to a particular store. How do I know? Trey looked it up in the archives, took about 10 days, talk about a great guy. Bottom line Klipsch is GREAT, Ebay sucks!!!! Smilin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klipschfoot Posted January 9, 2004 Share Posted January 9, 2004 Smilin, what did you pay a buyer's premium for? If these were the sellers personal speakers, there should be no buyer's premium, hence a possible additional misrepresentation. Your Cornwalls were not really an auction item. They were the sellers personal speakers. Buyers premiums, from what I understand, compensate the seller/owner for the commission he has to pay the auction house. In your case, the seller, also being the owner, has double-dipped and shown unfair business practice. I would report him to eBay with this argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 ---------------- On 1/9/2004 11:50:15 PM Klipschfoot wrote: Smilin, what did you pay a buyer's premium for? If these were the sellers personal speakers, there should be no buyer's premium, hence a possible additional misrepresentation. Your Cornwalls were not really an auction item. They were the sellers personal speakers. Buyers premiums, from what I understand, compensate the seller/owner for the commission he has to pay the auction house. In your case, the seller, also being the owner, has double-dipped and shown unfair business practice. I would report him to eBay with this argument. ---------------- Klipschfoot, I never even thought of that, Don is a stinking rat bastard to the nth degree Thanks for the correct analyzation of the situation. I will absolutly use it!! Smilin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Mobley Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 Hah! I emailed a couple of the other high bidders in the LS auction, pointing out how to file a complaint against the guy. One has emailed me back like 3 times, he is Really Pissed. He's already filed ebay complaints against the guy. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fini Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 smilin', Aren't you glad I turned you on to those speakers? NOT! Sorry, had no idea the seller was such a jerk. I thought since you were close, you'd have a chance to go by and visually inspect and test 'em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@silverfox@ Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 Hi all please forgive me for my ignorance in how ebay opperates and my possible lack of understanding in these matters,i,ve been around here for awhile and often times this fourm is used as a baromiter as to the possible going rate of klipsch heritage speakers.and many who seem to act as though they set or can determine the price range for these speakers. this great big todo about these cornwall is totally out of reason, its ok to try and engineer the price to sute your needs by gathering together and say i'm not going to bit if u are thus affecting the possible price outcome amd one member better not bid against another, seems like when some one from the clique is precived as having been wrong the waggons form a circle,i'm not the seller but if the price i expected was beign determine by this type of behavior i too would act the same way, you can't have it both way's or can u? this person is more than likely right here, or is a frequent visitor , i,m just saying don't be so self rightious everyone would like to make a good deal if the other guy don't play fair don't join him, jmo it might have been like belle that moon got so you see you're better off already be cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 ---------------- On 1/10/2004 9:22:32 AM fini wrote: smilin', Aren't you glad I turned you on to those speakers? NOT! Sorry, had no idea the seller was such a jerk. I thought since you were close, you'd have a chance to go by and visually inspect and test 'em. ---------------- Fini, Not to worry, all in a daze shopping for corns Just wish Don was an honest guy, and ebay protected the buyers as Well as the sellers. Bottom line is I not worried, just PISSED off at the continueing saga! BTW please keep looking, especially for a local pair of Khorns, I think I'm ready ror a modification of my system since I am already switching to seperates, and a different DVD/SACD/DVD-A may as well keep moving ahead and get the khorn badboys with 3 corns and either 2 chorus or heresy Smilin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 [Never mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piranha Posted January 10, 2004 Share Posted January 10, 2004 ---------------- On 1/10/2004 1:01:16 PM smilin wrote: ---------------- On 1/10/2004 9:22:32 AM fini wrote: smilin', Aren't you glad I turned you on to those speakers? NOT! Sorry, had no idea the seller was such a jerk. I thought since you were close, you'd have a chance to go by and visually inspect and test 'em. ---------------- Fini, Not to worry, all in a daze shopping for corns Just wish Don was an honest guy, and ebay protected the buyers as Well as the sellers. Bottom line is I not worried, just PISSED off at the continueing saga! BTW please keep looking, especially for a local pair of Khorns, I think I'm ready ror a modification of my system since I am already switching to seperates, and a different DVD/SACD/DVD-A may as well keep moving ahead and get the khorn badboys with 3 corns and either 2 chorus or heresy Smilin ---------------- Smilin, I think you're better off going with the Chorus's. The Heresy's just don't pump out enough bass for my liking. But then again, you do have that plumbing rattling B-4 Plus that I don't have. YET! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBryan Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 Silverfox, I think the point of the rants is that the seller "pulled" the speakers at the last minute and the feeling is that he/she did so because they weren't getting the price they wanted. Its all speculation of course, and will remain so until the seller comes forward and explains himself. eBay and all auctions have rules and when a seller puts an item up for auction, they agree to those rules and are obligated (except for eBay apparently) to follow-through with the transaction. The only reasons for "pulling" an item is; 1. a glaring misrepresentation or 2. damage or failure occurring after listing. Because eBay provides a certain amount of anonimity to the process, some participants eshew any obligation or responsibility when faced with a outcome that does not meet with their expectation. eBay markets itself as an internet auction but allowing actions like these suggests otherwise. I've been to plenty of auctions and have never seen a seller run up at the last moment and pull an item that's being bid on. Even if the auctioneer allowed the transgression, it would just be too difficult to face the bidders - what would he say? This kind of behavior speaks to the growing lack of courtesy on internet. The faceless participation in online chats and auctions seems to bring out qualities in some morally-challenged individuals that wouldn't be tolerated in normal group interaction. Maybe the selfishness, dishonesty and aggressive bantering will subside as ethics are developed and adopted on the net but I wouldn't hold my breath as this is simply a indication of the insecurity and fear that permeates our society at large - BOO...HISS. Just a thought -Bryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@silverfox@ Posted January 11, 2004 Share Posted January 11, 2004 Jbryan! yes, this is a valid point with the supposition that the seller was'nt fair in his/her actions. I would still maintain that actions on both side needs to be carefully adhere to. The internet beign a reletive new form(arena) where buiness is beign conducted by the faceless masses, the first priority we ought to bring is honesty, this type of market place allows the indiviual to firstly reinvent themselves with new identity hence (silverfox) what can this character get away with,initally any thing, until a relationship is developed and then the true character of the person is seen. Yes (ebay) is the medium and as such has a responsibility to both party.and interpit the rules that are in place lets say there is an item been sold on(ebay) and i see the name Jbryan not knowing who you are i'll bid against you, since this name is familliar to me it is my choice to bid or not,is fair to the seller yes, do u owe me anything for not bidding against you,no. there was no pre-arranged decision and the integrity of the system can be maintained. should this be the type of conduct our society exhibit, there is an element that will always seek an advantage. jmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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