Allan Songer Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 ---------------- On 8/26/2004 3:24:44 PM NOSValves wrote: Allan, You have never heard my amps I think you would quickly change your mind on this statement. Craig ---------------- Go ahead and send me out a nice fresh pair to demo and I'd be happy to let you know the difference among KT-66, 350B, EL34. You'll have to include a quad of 6550 and KT-88 as I don't have any of those lying about . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodger Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Hi Smilin' I can agree with Allan. He gave a good recommendation. Ben's tubes should fit your needs, without going overboard. That said, Craig don't be offended, my McIntosh 60s take KT-88s. After 30 + years of owning them - I still do and will NOT part with them or stray from KT-88s in them. 4 years ago I paid $500.00 for a Matched Quad of Golden Monarchs for re-tubing down the road.. They are still in the plastic bags with the test result graph - frequency response, output. Now that the prices are so high - everyone that gave an offer where price was mentioned either by the Poster selling or by Smilin' has been a heck of a deal. Just make sure the circuits will accept the 66s, 88s, 350bs if you wind up deciding on multiple types of tubes. As the KT-88s, 6550s are a different breed than the 6l6GC or KT-66 you may need to modify the circuits when tube rolling. The KT-88s in the right amplifier does Jazz justice. I feel my MC-60s do a very nice job indeed. Have fun listening and enjoying. Audios, dodger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piranha Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 ---------------- On 8/26/2004 2:42:27 PM smilin wrote: ---------------- On 8/26/2004 2:19:06 PM Piranha wrote: Steve, If I were you I'd listen to them with the Craig tubes "as is" before you start buying high dollar tubes. I don't know if cost equals value. The tubes Craig would send out in them are good bang for your buck. ---------------- Piranahman, I just gotta have fancy schmancy esoteric high fallotin rootin tootin tubes gotta spend more on tubes than the actual amps, why? cause I am addicted with this obsession and there ya go BTW my VRD's sound better than YOURS ---------------- Stevie, I dunno about that one bud. Ya gots to remember, I have both 98 db Cornwalls and 104 db La Scalas . And soon I'll have the ultimate Klipsch speaker, the 104 db K-horns. I am looking at another local pair of K's next week. I didn't even think you had the VRD's yet??? All that aside you'll certainly need to let them settle in for a few weeks irregardless of tube selection before they sound their best. I have rolled a lot of tubes in mine. But all were on a trial basis. I now know the best tube combos for VRD's first hand. It's getting tougher and tougher to stay one step ahead of you . BTW...I just sold my 272 for $1300 That money is now set aside for the Khorns and a Benchmark DAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 ---------------- On 8/26/2004 5:58:53 PM Allan Songer wrote: ---------------- Go ahead and send me out a nice fresh pair to demo and I'd be happy to let you know the difference among KT-66, 350B, EL34. You'll have to include a quad of 6550 and KT-88 as I don't have any of those lying about . . . ---------------- Not a problem just send a check and I'll get to building them Oh and you don't have to tell me the difference they all sound different. To me the KT88/6550's sound the best. What KT88 amps have you heard before ? Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 ---------------- On 8/26/2004 6:20:21 PM dodger wrote: Hi Smilin' I can agree with Allan. He gave a good recommendation. Ben's tubes should fit your needs. That said, Craig don't be offended, my McIntosh 60s take KT-88s. 4 years ago I paid $500.00 for a Matched Quad of Golden Monarchs. They are still in the plastic bags with the test result graph - frequency response, output. ---------------- Why would I be offended ?? Because you owned a Mc ?? I don't get it. I told Smilin to get Ben's tubes if that is what you mean. You guy's are reading me wrong here or something. I just refering to Alan saying he hasn't heard a KT88 amp he could live with. Well I haven't heard a Mc I could live with in its stock original form yet but that really means little since I haven't heard them all now does it. You know just because you heard a Mc KT88 amp does not mean you heard the best MC could make a turd just like anyone else including me not likely though . Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Doesn't seem like there are any listeners of Jazz that have any appreciation for the KT-88. As for me, I've never heard a KT-88 based amp that I didn't like. Well, just goes to show you. I still think these preference are tied to the music we listen too. I've got some nice KT-88 amps I'm happy with, so my VRDs will be set up for KT-66s. Steve, if you really miss those Cardinals, then you might want to set some money aside in case another set pop up on Audiogon. I can tell you right now that one amp won't do it all. I still say as long as you goofballs are listening with worn out motor runs in your networks -- spending money on outboard DACs and NOS tubes is a near waste of money. You're putting the cart before the horse. Get your speakers to their best possible performance, THEN work and fine tune your system. Everyone thinks I'm self promoting and full of it -- until they do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tubelover Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 I am buying some new Klipschorns Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tubelover Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 ---------------- On 8/26/2004 6:20:21 PM dodger wrote: Hi Smilin' I can agree with Allan. He gave a good recommendation. Ben's tubes should fit your needs. That said, Craig don't be offended, my McIntosh 60s take KT-88s. 4 years ago I paid $500.00 for a Matched Quad of Golden Monarchs. They are still in the plastic bags with the test result graph - frequency response, output. Now that the prices are so high - everyone that gave an offer where price was mentioned either by the Poster or by Smilin' has been a heck of a deal. Just make sure the circuits will accept the 66s, 88s, 350bs if you wind up deciding on multiple types of tubes. Have fun listening and enjoying. Audios, dodger ---------------- In that case, you won't need them. So I will give you $500 for that matched quad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 ---------------- On 8/26/2004 10:33:58 PM tubelover wrote: I am buying some new Klipschorns ---------------- That would be very cool, and I wouldn't feel so alone anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodger Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 ---------------- On 8/26/2004 10:35:59 PM tubelover wrote: ---------------- On 8/26/2004 6:20:21 PM dodger wrote: Hi Smilin' I can agree with Allan. He gave a good recommendation. Ben's tubes should fit your needs. That said, Craig don't be offended, my McIntosh 60s take KT-88s. 4 years ago I paid $500.00 for a Matched Quad of Golden Monarchs. They are still in the plastic bags with the test result graph - frequency response, output. Now that the prices are so high - everyone that gave an offer where price was mentioned either by the Poster or by Smilin' has been a heck of a deal. Just make sure the circuits will accept the 66s, 88s, 350bs if you wind up deciding on multiple types of tubes. Have fun listening and enjoying. Audios, dodger ---------------- In that case, you won't need them. So I will give you $500 for that matched quad. ---------------- UUhhhh, I still have my MC-60s. About 34 years this month. I didn't want Craig to feel that I was going against him. I did see a quad similar to mine (not in plastic bags, compliments of the owner, go for $1280.00. At that point I'd use my Edison Home Cylinder. dodger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dodger Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 ---------------- On 8/26/2004 9:16:56 PM NOSValves wrote: ---------------- On 8/26/2004 6:20:21 PM dodger wrote: Hi Smilin' I can agree with Allan. He gave a good recommendation. Ben's tubes should fit your needs. That said, Craig don't be offended, my McIntosh 60s take KT-88s. 4 years ago I paid $500.00 for a Matched Quad of Golden Monarchs. They are still in the plastic bags with the test result graph - frequency response, output. ---------------- Why would I be offended ?? Because you owned a Mc ?? I don't get it. I told Smilin to get Ben's tubes if that is what you mean. You guy's are reading me wrong here or something. I just refering to Alan saying he hasn't heard a KT88 amp he could live with. Well I haven't heard a Mc I could live with in its stock original form yet but that really means little since I haven't heard them all now does it. You know just because you heard a Mc KT88 amp does not mean you heard the best MC could make a turd just like anyone else including me not likely though . Craig ---------------- After 30 + years I STILL own my McIntosh MC-60 Monoblocks. Along with my two (2) McIntosh MC-240s, C-20 Pre-Amp, MX-110, MC-2120, 1900 plus more. They are aprreciating (at least for now) so they are part of my retirement. Medical disability pays squat. My comment was in support of the KT-88s. Mentioning the MC-60s gives credence to experience to those tubes. I never stated that McIntosh was the ultimate. But they sound good to me. Thus it gave support to your statement that a KT-88 based amplifier could sound good - even though I posted to Smilin to follow Allan's recommendation. He made an excellent recommendation. That recommendation is premised on the ability of the VRDs to accept the different tubes mentioned. Will the circuits in the VRD accept all three types of tubes? 4 if you throw in 6550. dodger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piranha Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 ---------------- On 8/26/2004 5:58:53 PM Allan Songer wrote: ---------------- On 8/26/2004 3:24:44 PM NOSValves wrote: Allan, You have never heard my amps I think you would quickly change your mind on this statement. Craig ---------------- Go ahead and send me out a nice fresh pair to demo and I'd be happy to let you know the difference among KT-66, 350B, EL34. You'll have to include a quad of 6550 and KT-88 as I don't have any of those lying about . . . ---------------- You may have an the opportunity to check out the VRD's in person if and when Andy Kubicki, ChrisK, and the rest of the LA area audio gurus get together? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Songer Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 ---------------- On 8/26/2004 9:10:39 PM NOSValves wrote: Not a problem just send a check and I'll get to building them Oh and you don't have to tell me the difference they all sound different. To me the KT88/6550's sound the best. What KT88 amps have you heard before ? Craig ---------------- Dude! I could buy 7 or 8 REALLY nice records for the price of a pair of your amps--and I already have amps that work real good, so I guess I'll spend my money on more records! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 ---------------- On 8/27/2004 12:51:46 AM Allan Songer wrote: ---------------- On 8/26/2004 9:10:39 PM NOSValves wrote: Not a problem just send a check and I'll get to building them Oh and you don't have to tell me the difference they all sound different. To me the KT88/6550's sound the best. What KT88 amps have you heard before ? Craig ---------------- I could buy 7 or 8 REALLY nice records for the price of a pair of your amps--and I already have amps that work real good, so I guess I'll spend my money on more records! ---------------- Allan, Your killing me dude Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audio Flynn Posted August 27, 2004 Share Posted August 27, 2004 I could buy 7 or 8 REALLY nice records for the price of a pair of your amps--and I already have amps that work real good, so I guess I'll spend my money on more records! ---------------- Allan, Your killing me dude Craig ++++++++++++++++== Just flew back inot town and this is the first thread i read. I almost fell out of my chair. Only because I am certain Alan was serious. True but still very funny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 @2 am got an email from a seller off ebay selling 2 matched pairs of Gold Lion MOV/Genelex NOS in box. He had put to high of a start/buy it now price and they did not sell. After a bit of negotiating I paid the high price of XXX for the tubes with paypal/shipping included,,They are on the way to Craigs already. Can't wait to hear Craigs impressions of these KT88's, AND Bens 350B's Should make Craig WANT/DREAD to spend the $$$ for the BEST NOS tubes to go with the NOS Valves he sells, and mods. heh heh heh....All in jest Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben. Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 ****, I guess I gave those 350B away!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Anonymous Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 I certainly hope so But they couldn't go to a nicer guy. Dont you agree BTW the Gold lions go a lot higher, especially NOS, BTW are the one your sending Craig NOS? Thanks Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben. Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 ---------------- On 8/28/2004 2:49:23 PM smilin wrote: I certainly hope so But they couldn't go to a nicer guy. Dont you agree BTW the Gold lins go a lot higher, especially NOS, BTW are the one your sending Craig NOS? Thanks Ben ---------------- Just kidding, but you knew that. They're not NOS, but test close to new. WE manufacturing specs and tolerances were famously conservative, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOSValves Posted August 28, 2004 Share Posted August 28, 2004 Yes they are headed to a nice guy ME LOL !!!! Steve trust me they will have to make a absolute huge difference for me to spend the bucks on these types of tubes my amp burn 16 hours a day and I could never afford to keep buying $500 to $800 dollar quads. I am completely happy with what I outfit the amps with stock. Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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