malechi Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 I bought the Denon AVR-2105 surround receiver and I already have speakers for a 5.1 setup so I need rear speakers. Should I get 1 rear center or 2 surround rears? The AVR-2105 specs are 7.1 A/V Receiver with Dolby Digital Surround EX, Dolby Pro Logic IIx & DTS ES Discrete 6.1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marvel Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 sheesh! From the topic title I am just glad I only have one rear. My pants are starting to fit too tightly as is. Sorry, I couldn't resist. I only have two channel setup so I can't really help. Marvel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdm56 Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Definitely - two rears are better than one, according to everything I've read, anyway. Supposedly, one speaker directly behind a listener can produce images directly in front. And no, I'm not makin' this up! I'm stuck at 5.1 due to space constraints myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malechi Posted September 12, 2004 Author Share Posted September 12, 2004 thank you. I'll either get some RB-35s and move my 25's to the rear or buy RB-15s for the rear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicholtl Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Yeah, like the other's have described, 2 rears will give you more of an enveloping effect than 1 will. Besides, if your receiver can handle 7.1, you'd might as well take full advantage, right? I say get the RB-35's for your fronts and move your RB-25's to the rear, since you already have a 3-series center. I assume you're moving the Bose to do center surround duty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malechi Posted September 12, 2004 Author Share Posted September 12, 2004 How's this... RB-25 Front RC-3 Center RS-25 Surround RB-15 Surround Back The RB-25 in the back appear to be to big to be placed in the upper corners so I will not move up to the RB-35's in the front. The RB-15's look like a good fit. I'm buying my Outlaw Audio LFM-1 on Wednesday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m00n Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Just as a FYI, and someone please correct me if I'm mistaken, DTS-ES and Dolby Digital EX both have mono rear. Better said, both rear left and rear right play the exact same signal. Not trying to steer you away from it, but just letting you know in the event you were unaware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicholtl Posted September 12, 2004 Share Posted September 12, 2004 Yup, Moon's right. The only 3 reasons, IMO, to get 2 rear surrounds as opposed to 1, assuming money is not tight, are: 1) If you have a larger living area, you can create a more expansive sound field. 2) Even if you don't have a larger living area, you may one day... 3) Coolness factor aka bragging rights to say you have 7.1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malechi Posted September 12, 2004 Author Share Posted September 12, 2004 Money is tight. That's why I'm considering the RB-15s. Actually, my whole system is a budget system relatively speaking. 2 RB-15's will be cheaper than 1 RC-3 too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scriven Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 You may also want to consider that most material available today is in 5.1 format. Of course, in the future that will probably change but if $$$$ are a consideration then setting up for what you can actually use today may be a good approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white_shadow Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 Two arses is always better than one, that is if you can get away with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 help me out Moon, hopefully there are some of the 5.1, 6.1, etc mixes that have discreet l/r rear channel mixes. That is one of the main reasons I upgraded from RXV850 to RXV2400. Are there many movies that have the DTS and Digital that you mentioned only? for general info, is there a sound format that seems to be a new 'standard' or that is found most frequently? Are the producers giving us info on all the mixes on the outside of the box? I'd hate to spend $20-30 on a movie only to get a substandard, if you will, sound mix. Remember buying a remastered version of Kubric's The Shining and there was only a MONO mix, apparently as Mr. Kubric originally intended for some bizarre reason. Imagine Jack Nicholson's son in the movie, racing through the hotel on his Big Wheel, low camera angle, hardwood, rug,hardwood,rug, how great that could have sounded! I guess I take photos in black and white that some folks would rather see in color, we call that 'artistic integrity' whatever that means! LOL Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb in SC Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 Regarding the "discrete" rear channels. There is currently no discrete back left and right material. (I.e. even for a true 6.1 discrete mix DTS ES, the 2 back channels are the same). DD EX applies a matrixed mix (of the side surrounds) for the rear surrounds (be them a sinlge (6.1) or dual (7.1) setup). Dolby Prologic IIx also provides the ability to offer a matrixed rear channel(s). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malechi Posted September 13, 2004 Author Share Posted September 13, 2004 I bought The Punisher last week and that's in Dolby Digital 5.1 EX. What does that mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ygmn Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 Depends on how wide your room is... If it is very wide then 2 rear speakers make sense....but if not very wide then 1 rear speaker makes more sense... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ygmn Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 ---------------- On 9/13/2004 9:32:55 AM malechi wrote: I bought The Punisher last week and that's in Dolby Digital 5.1 EX. What does that mean? ---------------- Means 6.1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sb in SC Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 DD-EX is called 6.1, but keep in mind that the rear channel is not a discrete channel, it is a matrix of the 2 side surrounds. Only DTS-ES has a discrete back channel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilMays Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 My listening room is small, say 18 x 16. I have had 7.1 when I had a Denon and Onkyo. I know have a Yamaha in 6.1 and in my small space I have not missed a beat so to speak. I would like to have 7.1 but I will not loose sleep over the extra $500 for another RS-7 and cable even if my Yamy offered it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 "Regarding the "discrete" rear channels. There is currently no discrete back left and right material. (I.e. even for a true 6.1 discrete mix DTS ES, the 2 back channels are the same). DD EX applies a matrixed mix (of the side surrounds) for the rear surrounds (be them a sinlge (6.1) or dual (7.1) setup). Dolby Prologic IIx also provides the ability to offer a matrixed rear channel(s)." Now I'm REALLY confused. When you say rear channels, are you meaning the CENTER rear? SO that in 6.1 you get discrete 'side' rear channels, but 1 or 2 (matrixed) 'center' rear channels? I guess that way if a distinctly rear sound went across the back soundstage it would be discretely left, then matrixed mono center, then discretely right. Does this make sense. If my RXV2400 DOLBY DIGITAL receiver has all mono matrixed rear (or side?-I find this term confusing) channels, I'm taking it back cause it's no better than dolby pro-logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-MAN Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 The 2 rear surrounds are BEST - that's why it's called "surround sound" rather than "behind you sound". DM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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