DrWho Posted December 19, 2006 Author Share Posted December 19, 2006 Not to speak for Colter, but seems he's rather busy these days acting all important and stuff [][Y] The KLF-C7 is a much better timbre match to the cornwall / lascala...a bit freaky actually considering how unrelated they are (at first glance). I never got to hear the RC-7 between the Cornwalls, but I have heard it in other setups and it is certainly very different sounding - not bad at all, just completely different. Turning it down will certainly make it less noticeable, but I think you would realize more sonic enjoyment with the implementation of a C7 (or Academy - though I've never heard the Academy). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 The KLF is MUCH better match than the RC. I look it simply as 'series' of speakers- the closer you get the two the better off you are. The KLF is a series 'back' from the RC. I've got parts for a center CW, I'll either move the KLF to rear center or delete it altogether, so there might be one for sale here this summer. M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arky Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 I guess i'm asking a question only I can answer. Your rc-7 is probably stock. Deans upgraded network makes it spectacular. I'm willing to give up a perfect timbre match but not willing to give up the clarity of the rc-7, especially dialogue. Even quiet passages are intelligible. Maybe the KLF-C7 network can be upgraded if needed. Thanks guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 I do have PopBumper's Kstack crossover in the KLF. Regardless, as stock the KLF is a much better match than the RC. I don't see how tweaking either crossover could make such a magnificent difference in timbre that would change the balance. I'll stick to my statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted December 19, 2006 Author Share Posted December 19, 2006 Yikes, there is definetly no difference in the clarity - just the timbre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arky Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Yeah I understand & agree with the timbre part. I'm turning into a heritage guy...prefering that sound, I suppose it's the mids which handles the majority of vocals/dialogue. If the KLF is like the rest of the heritage i've heard, it may be better than the rc-7 in that regard. I need to hear the KLF. Are these fairly easy to come by? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arky Posted December 19, 2006 Share Posted December 19, 2006 Another ? Looks like the KLF uses a much larger horn than the Academy. Which do you prefer? Both appear to be hard to come by. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 The word is slowly spreading on the KLF being a very good alternative for the much-lauded and highly-priced Academy. One nice thing about the KLF is that it can be had at a lower price point. I'm sure someone here keeps better tabs on pricing than moi, but Academy's bring what $400- $450, and I've seen KLF's in the $200-$300 range. And that horn is SWEET Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 Academy Specifications frequency response65Hz-20kHz±3dB power handling100 watts maximum continuous sensitivity96dB @ 1watt/1meter nominal impedance8 ohms tweeterK-76-KV 1" (2.54cm) Polymer dome compression driver high frequency horn90°x40° Exponential Horn high freq crossover2,200 Hz wooferTwo K-1011-KV 8" (20.32cm) Poly cone enclosure materialMedium density fiberboard construction (MDF) enclosure typeSealed dimensions23.25" (59.06cm) x 11" (27.94cm) x 10" (25.4cm) weight33 lbs. (14.95kg) finishesWalnut Oil, Oak Oil, Oak Clear, Finished Black built from1992 built until1994 * Prices are US MSRP and may vary by country. KLF-C7 Specifications frequency response75Hz-20kHz±3dB power handling150 watts maximum continuous (600 watts peak) sensitivity99dB @ 1watt/1meter nominal impedance8 ohms tweeterK-90-KV 1" (2.54cm) Polymer diaphragm compression driver high frequency horn90°x60° Tractrix® Horn high freq crossover2,000 Hz wooferTwo K-1062-KV 8" (20.32cm) Poly Carbon Graphite cones enclosure materialMedium density fiberboard construction (MDF) enclosure typeSealed dimensions11" (27.94cm) x 27.19" (69cm) x 9.125" (23.18cm) weight38 lbs. (17.25kg) finishesLight Oak, Medium Oak, Mahogany, Black Satin built from1997 built until2001 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 You tell me, I know specs don't tell it all, but the frequency response isn't an issue because center will be set to SMALL, right? The KLF has more power handling, is larger cabinet, and is 3 DB more efficient at 99db/w/mtr. That means I don't have to turn my LS down much and waste precious receiver power. And, this is the kicker- it's a TRACTRIX horn vs the Academy's exponential...I've made up my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arky Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 That reinforces my thinking...i'm now in search of a KLF-C7. If you hear of one please let me know. Thanks Michael...hope your progressing favorably on what we discussed. JT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 "I do have PopBumper's Kstack crossover in the KLF. Regardless, as stock the KLF is a much better match than the RC. I don't see how tweaking either crossover could make such a magnificent difference in timbre that would change the balance. I'll stick to my statement." I agree with that. "Yikes, there is definetly no difference in the clarity - just the timbre." I most definitely don't agree with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 note- on Dean's post - paragraph one is quoted from me, the second is from Doc. Did you want to clarify that Doc? I had trouble with that statement as well. Clarity definitely improved with new networks. I'm no network expert, but seems that the 'voice' or timbre of the speaker would only change dramatically if substantial revisions to the design or the network were made during the upgrade.Upgrading parts would only bring the timbre/voice back into spec as originally conceived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arky Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 "I do have PopBumper's Kstack crossover in the KLF. Regardless, as stock the KLF is a much better match than the RC. I don't see how tweaking either crossover could make such a magnificent difference in timbre that would change the balance. I'll stick to my statement." I agree with that. "Yikes, there is definetly no difference in the clarity - just the timbre." I most definitely don't agree with that. Well hell that throws a wrench in it. Dean, if you have heard a KLF-C7 can you elaborate. Colter owns both & I absolutely agree with him on timbre. I'm not familiar with the Kstack. If I can find someone in Arkansas that has the klf I will drive to hear it. I think you guys understand my issue with clarity, I would just like to hear the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arky Posted December 20, 2006 Share Posted December 20, 2006 I interpreted doc's statement to say neither the KLF-C7 or RC-7 has an advantage over the other in regards to clarity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted December 20, 2006 Author Share Posted December 20, 2006 I interpreted doc's statement to say neither the KLF-C7 or RC-7 has an advantage over the other in regards to clarity. Thanks Arky [Y] I associate clarity with intelligibility and by no means should either center channel cause anyone to have a tougher time understanding speech (unlike centers like the SC-1 and RC-3). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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