IB Slammin Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 This is just nuts. My '73 verts "cornwall" had catalogs on the backs. They show horz! I give up. Makes my head hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnBob Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Maybe the art department was ahead of production - or they had some partially completed cabinets to sell off. If it's any consolation, a single page "flyer" from about 1974 says "Cornwall" at the top and, at the end of the "architects' specifications" says "The loudspeaker shall be KLIPSCH CORNWALL II." (caps theirs) ARRGH! (caps mine) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good2BHome Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 ---------------- On 7/20/2005 2:15:16 PM Allan Songer wrote: Just so you know, my '64 Cornwalls do not have the rubber-stamped "II" on them. ---------------- Allen, Then is it correct to say that you then have the Labels with the "II" printed in black? What are the serial numbers, because serial number 6C03 has the red rubber stamp "II" on it. A picture(s) would be nice. Frzninvt, The only "Chris Robinson" I have is of 1968 CWO's that he sold (I think) earlier this year to "Painful Reality". (I do try to keep up) If you still have / can find the pictures post'em I.B. "This is just nuts. My '73 verts "cornwall" had catalogs on the backs. They show horz!" I feel your pain, but I'am not sure I understand it. If the pain is caused because you have 1973 "Verticals" and they just don't have the "II" designation on them, then you have LOTS of company (i.e. all owners after the change in 1972 up to late 1974 to early 1975) because as I said earlier, sometime in 1972 Klipsch changed the label and dropped the "II" designation. They didn't change the speaker just the label. The 1974 Vertical pair I bought from a "knowledgeable collector" told me, to my face, he wished they were "Cornwalls IIs" because he would be asking alot more for them. Who was I to blow against the wind and inform him they were the same damn speakers as any Vertical with a "B" crossover in it.... and I.B. yours are no different!! If I still don't understand your pain, post a picture. The reference to "catalogs" is confusing. And lastly. CaptnBob's concise description is my understanding and it fits with all the evidence I have collected. The only thing I would add is the original Cornwal was a desendent of Rebel V. This post is one of the reasons I don't post much. It's hard work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frzninvt Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 These are the '68 Mahogany (M7) verticals that I sold Chris R., I don't recall the S/N's they had "G" in them. The original owner replaced the woofers in the 90's to the K-34E's though. They sounded nice and looked stunning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frzninvt Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Here is a nice side photo that shows the graining in the wood. The only reason that I parted with them was the opportunity to get a second pair of Klipschorn's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Songer Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 ---------------- On 7/20/2005 4:02:31 PM Good2BHome wrote: ---------------- On 7/20/2005 2:15:16 PM Allan Songer wrote: Just so you know, my '64 Cornwalls do not have the rubber-stamped "II" on them. ---------------- Allen, Then is it correct to say that you then have the Labels with the "II" printed in black? What are the serial numbers, because serial number 6C03 has the red rubber stamp "II" on it. A picture(s) would be nice. NOPE! Just plain old "Cornwall" I'll try to take a pic some time soon and post it here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good2BHome Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 ---------------- On 7/18/2005 4:04:10 PM zaven wrote: I am trying to acquire very vintage vertical horn Cornwalls. Could someone give me the manufacturing history of these? Are the drivers different from the horizontally mounted Cornwall I models or just their orientation? ---------------- I don't see were we really answered zaven's original question. This is not a complete answer, but unless you are talking about buying pre 1966 verticals, the drivers are essentially the same (only the manufacturer of a driver might be different) from 1966 to 1979 for both verticals and horizontals. The crossover during this same period was the "B", but it was built 3 different ways. All electrically the same just different sets of components. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painful Reality Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 ---------------- On 7/20/2005 4:02:31 PM Good2BHome wrote: Frzninvt, The only "Chris Robinson" I have is of 1968 CWO's that he sold (I think) earlier this year to "Painful Reality". (I do try to keep up) If you still have / can find the pictures post'em ---------------- Here it is. It won't clear or thicken the fog but what the hell... Notice, as a grossly general rule, how the red "II" tends to fade away compare to the black "II" printing. Maybe that is what could explain why A. Songer have some "Cornwall". Who knows... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good2BHome Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Painful, Thanks for the picture. It is better that the one I had. Hopefully Allen Songer will come up with his soon. It intrigues me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painful Reality Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 ---------------- On 7/20/2005 10:54:52 PM Good2BHome wrote: Painful, Thanks for the picture. It is better that the one I had. Hopefully Allen Songer will come up with his soon. It intrigues me. ---------------- Let me know if you want a higher resolution picture. I can email it to you if you wish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauln Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 I still don't get it - are the old Cornwall elevens the best? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scriven Posted July 20, 2005 Share Posted July 20, 2005 Don't worry, they're all great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan Songer Posted July 21, 2005 Share Posted July 21, 2005 ---------------- On 7/20/2005 11:05:14 PM pauln wrote: I still don't get it - are the old Cornwall elevens the best? ---------------- Yes. The big Jensen alnico woofer and the chrome alnico T-35 have a lot to do with it I think. I know that after hearing my Cornwalls for years my pal Joel got himself a pair of early 1980's Cornwalls and we had them in my room for a couple of days playing with them and the '64s sounded better to both of us. This was about 6-7 years ago and I can't really tell you why at this point. Plus, the vertical models image better if you're into stereo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaven Posted July 22, 2005 Author Share Posted July 22, 2005 They arrived today and sound wonderful, but are in need of a reveneer job if I ever feel up to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaven Posted July 22, 2005 Author Share Posted July 22, 2005 These sound better than the 1983 "ones" I had for a short time before they were returned to UPS (wrecked in transport) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaven Posted July 22, 2005 Author Share Posted July 22, 2005 When did they loose the cool pie slice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scriven Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 '75 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budman Posted July 22, 2005 Share Posted July 22, 2005 i have 75 heresys with the pie and 76 corns with the cooper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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