kev313 Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/kharma/sub.html This review is funny for many many reasons, but here is my fave, cut 'n pasted from the text: Is the integration of the sub to the main speakers really that easy? What parameters should I consider beyond this setup to get even more from the sub? Out of curiosity, I called up Yamada-San of Zanden Audio. He told me that for some unknown reasons, he finds odd numbers in digital volume controls to always sound better than even numbers. (He also finds odd-number channels in airlines to sound clearer than even number channel.) He believes the remote control of the Kharma subwoofer is a digital volume hence I should try to compare 1V and 3V input level values while experimenting with the amplitude level at -1, -3, -5, -7 etc. Were there in fact any audible differences between odd and even number? Yes but in a very subtle way. Energy release with odd-number settings seemed to flow more naturally. I finally ended up with a setting of 3V for the input level, -5dB for loudness, and high and low pass respectively at 15 and 60Hz, both at 6dB slopes. Then in August, I had an opportunity in Taipei to meet digital guru Thierry Heeb of Anagram Technology. We had a long chat on this interesting observation by Yamada-San. Thierry believes such subtle changes are real because the digital coding of even and odd numbers is different. But I don't want to further expound on my ignorance in these matters for which there are many technically sophisticated explanation beyond my ken. [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filmboydoug Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/kharma/sub.html Thierry believes such subtle changes are real because the digital coding of even and odd numbers is different. Especially if it goes to 11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrot Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 I thought everyone already knew all this, it's so obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3dzapper Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 I thought everyone already knew all this, it's so obvious. As basic as chips in a row or eggs in your basket. But I heard that it only works mathematically with the prime numbers: 3,5,7,11. Sadly, all the Karma washes out with 9.[] Rick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garymd Posted September 11, 2005 Share Posted September 11, 2005 I tried it tonight and couldn't tell a difference.[] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev313 Posted September 12, 2005 Author Share Posted September 12, 2005 I tried it tonight and couldn't tell a difference.[] Oh THAT is a problem. As you turned the dial it should have gotten louder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 LOL[] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Dee Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 Frozen, After reading a review like that, where what you are supposed to hear is so obvious.... I wouldn't have told that I couldn't tell a difference. I'm an audiophile. Of course I could tell the difference. [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hwatkins Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 I have always had a preference for odd numbers on the volume control. I think it is a bit more philantropic than audiophilopic - I feel soo sorry for them haveing to spend their whole life with folks blatantly calling them odd. We humans can be so cruel sometimes.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 I prefer 9, 10 and 11 on the Type A dial of my preamp with my tube amplifiers, except for the even numbers halfway between the odd ones, those work sometimes as well[8-)] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seti Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 Sounds like voodoo to me...I can't believe 6moons actually put that in print. [:^)] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSharp Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/kharma/sub.html We had a long chat on this interesting observation by Yamada-San. Thierry believes such subtle changes are real because the digital coding of even and odd numbers is different. [] Yes, having that LSB set will get you every time. [] I'm with filmboydoug. If it doesn't go to 11, I'm not interested... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddy Dee Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 I'm taking note of this to add to my vast base of audiophile knowledge. For example, next time I'm in a boutique audio store, I'll be sure to display my seasoned audiophile wisdom in front of the sales person... watching to make sure they know their stuff. "Would you mind dialing the volume in to the next odd number please." Have we got a smiley with it's nose in the air? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Spinner Posted September 12, 2005 Share Posted September 12, 2005 Audiophoolery ...at its worst Cables, anyone ....??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev313 Posted September 12, 2005 Author Share Posted September 12, 2005 Sounds like voodoo to me...I can't believe 6moons actually put that in print. [:^)] No kidding! Interestingly, this artcle makes mention of the "Worlds Best Loudspeaker" (Resolution) from the other thread currently running. http://www.6moons.com/industryfeatures/import/import.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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