Speedball Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 If I could have a Klipsch speaker without the harsh high end, I'd buy it.I suggest a network rebuild......it made a huge difference on mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpm Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 so who does network rebuilds? why do it when the BBE does what I need and it's paid for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tofu Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 so, what's bbe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedball Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 bbe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-MAN Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 That is a tough question ; I've heard both instances (i.e., the "good" and "bad") and it depends on the gear and the room they are in. I have heard LS's in both instances, one I liked and thought about buying them, and one placement (the same horns!) I actually HATED - they were everything that I wouldn't consider buying! So placement is paramount in getting a good sound out of them, IMO. As for Khorns, I have never heard a pair that I didn't like! Even on the same gear that "ruined" the LS's in the same room... Well, they are not speakers that you can just put anywhere and have them sound good. They are just too placement-dependent, but that's part of the designs. DM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Spinner Posted November 15, 2005 Author Share Posted November 15, 2005 bbe? BBE .... is a Distortion Algorithm, used in thier "processor" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJkizak Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 Duke: What is your actual hearing response? Playing in live bands can reak havoc on your ears. JJK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Spinner Posted November 15, 2005 Author Share Posted November 15, 2005 good question ....JJ ..... but I wore Earplug's ...thankfully ... i have good response to 16'500hz ..+/- 1 beer i also worked in a Studio 10 years ...which is why I was smart enuff to wear Earplugs .....[:S] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrWho Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 Some of the best sound guys I've met are completely deaf above 5, or 8kHz - the mind is very powerful in that it can compensate for lack of sensory perception capability. Think about it...mixing every day your ears gradually get worse, but at the same time all the natural sounds you hear throughout the day change slightly too. Since you're spending more time listening to real sounds than recorded ones, you naturally make things sound "natural" to your ears - which means ear damage really doesn't affect ones listening abilities. Now if you were to lose your hearing quickly or temporarily (like a sinus cold or if a dumb drummer whacks the snare while your head is right next to it), then your mind hasn't had time to recalibrate and if you're not conscious of the difference you will still make it sound natural to you, which ends up sounding like crap to everyone else. I think what's more imporant here is ear training and the ability to decipher between various sounds. For example, it took me about 6 months to be able to instantly (without thinking about it) decipher between an electronic piano and an acoustic guitar running via line level...it really is a lot harder than you might think (especially with all the other noise happening at the same time). But once I obtained that threshold, I could probably take a crap load of damage to my ears and still be able to tell the difference. The more time you spend playing with this stuff, the better trained your ears get (hopefully) [] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Spinner Posted November 15, 2005 Author Share Posted November 15, 2005 not much real info above 3000 hz anyways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 Who, now we've got to get you so you know the diff between Jimi Hendrix and Jimmy Page. More music and less theory Boy! But good dissertation on the physiology of the hearing apparatus and our brains. That book-schooling is doing you a world of good. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deang Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 It's a combination of the narrow throat horns and the lack up an upper end limit imposed on their output. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Spinner Posted November 15, 2005 Author Share Posted November 15, 2005 thats what lead me to ask about the ALK ES network .... or to phrase it another way ... high efficiency ..at what cost ..soundwise.......[:^)] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnyholiday Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colterphoto1 Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 is johnyholiday making a riddle with his photo response? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauln Posted November 15, 2005 Share Posted November 15, 2005 Dude, what did you expect with that gear? CDs and SS aren't really backwards compatible with Klipsch Heritage. PKW's genius was fostered in the vinly and tube era. You need to revert to the technology that was current when the Klipsch Heritage was born, man. Heritage Klipsh are beautifully revealing of what good old vinyl and tube can do. Trying to drive then with gear that didn't really exist when they were designed is like - what, somebody help me out here....? Pauln Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnyholiday Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sunburnwilly Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 Dude, what did you expect with that gear? CDs and SS aren't really backwards compatible with Klipsch Heritage. PKW's genius was fostered in the vinly and tube era. You need to revert to the technology that was current when the Klipsch Heritage was born, man. Heritage Klipsh are beautifully revealing of what good old vinyl and tube can do. Trying to drive then with gear that didn't really exist when they were designed is like - what, somebody help me out here....? Pauln B.S. My Belles with Deans mildly upgraded AA networks , and a SS amp will blow you away !!! PS seems to me that when I was growing up Reel to Reel was the audiophile standard . What do you think about that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauln Posted November 16, 2005 Share Posted November 16, 2005 I am always amazed at the performance of Klipsch Heritage. Even with some "modern" gear. It is simillar to the experience with records. The fidelity captured in records 50 years ago exceeded the capabilities of the gear at that time. Only later did it become apparent that the capabilities of "modern" gear could do so much with them. Likewise with the Heritage speakers. Playing Heritage with SS and CDs is outside the original design spec - what a pleasure to dicover that PWK's genious extends so far into the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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